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US lawmakers trying to make it so all new cars are hooked up to a network like WIFI * 1
    #23923374 - 12/13/16 05:23 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

This is a move to make new cars talk to each other to share info and stop roughly 600k traffic crashes a year...


I operate under the assumption that if it can be hooked up to a network and programmed, it can be hax0r'd


How do you feel about having telemetry of this nature in your car? clearly it will be a required thing in the future, and it allows for further peeking into the lives other people under the guise of "well it keeps people safe"


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Re: US lawmakers trying to make it so all new cars are hooked up to a network like WIFI [Re: 404]
    #23923384 - 12/13/16 05:25 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Anything that can be abused ends up getting abused, especially when we are talking about the government.


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Re: US lawmakers trying to make it so all new cars are hooked up to a network like WIFI [Re: luvdemboomers]
    #23923409 - 12/13/16 05:31 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

This is for real? I think it is a good idea in principle for the purpose of preventing accidents, but the potential to track your every move... little disconcerting. Well, on second though, Google's doing just that already.


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Re: US lawmakers trying to make it so all new cars are hooked up to a network like WIFI [Re: luvdemboomers] * 3
    #23923425 - 12/13/16 05:34 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I'm personally of the opinion that all cars should be (required to be) self driving by 2040 or so. You are right though, they run the risk of being hacked if they are connected to a centralized database. I don't know if you heard of the giant hack recently where some program used the computing resources of wifi connected kitchen appliances all over the world to DDOS some businesses and stuff. Other types of hacks are possible as well.

But those kind of hacks are a problem because of faulty standards in hardware. Like using the same basic passwords for most routers and leaving things open to toying with by anyone within reach. If done right I don't know that hacking itself would be a huge threat. On it's potential for government spying applications, it's not much different from existing technologies that we carry in our pocket, or watch entertainment with. We are slowly connecting to the grid on a constant basis. The future generations will be completely immersed in the internet. I'd say that point of no return has passed.

I'd like to go back to a simpler time, but there's not much stopping technology integration. Road safety is a prime concern, you could argue that usage of the roads is self submersion into the system.


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Re: US lawmakers trying to make it so all new cars are hooked up to a network like WIFI [Re: PatrickKn] * 3
    #23923431 - 12/13/16 05:37 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

OP, who are you going to yell at if cars don't have a driver?


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Re: US lawmakers trying to make it so all new cars are hooked up to a network like WIFI [Re: 404]
    #23923435 - 12/13/16 05:38 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I'll never have a new car so I'll never have to worry about it.


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Re: US lawmakers trying to make it so all new cars are hooked up to a network like WIFI [Re: Shroomslip] * 1
    #23923440 - 12/13/16 05:40 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Eventually you won't be able to insure human driven cars and you will have a museum piece


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Re: US lawmakers trying to make it so all new cars are hooked up to a network like WIFI [Re: koods]
    #23923507 - 12/13/16 05:53 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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I'm personally of the opinion that all cars should be self driving by 2040 or so. You are right though, they run the risk of being hacked if they are connected to a centralized database. I don't know if you heard of the giant hack recently where some program used the computing resources of wifi connected kitchen appliances all over the world to DDOS some businesses and stuff. Other types of hacks are possible as well.

But those kind of hacks are a problem because of faulty standards in hardware. Like using the same basic passwords for most routers and leaving things open to toying with by anyone within reach. If done right I don't know that hacking itself would be a huge threat. On it's potential for government spying applications, it's not much different from existing technologies that we carry in our pocket, or watch entertainment with. We are slowly connecting to the grid on a constant basis. The future generations will be completely immersed in the internet. I'd say that point of no return has passed.

I'd like to go back to a simpler time, but there's not much stopping technology integration. Road safety is a prime concern, you could argue that usage of the roads is self submersion into the system.





If they figure out a way to fully encrypt the channels used to communicate between the car and the network, they might stand a chance i suppose? that is, until quantum computing fully reaches it's supposed potential and renders all current encryption standards obsolete, right?


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OP, who are you going to yell at if cars don't have a driver?




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Re: US lawmakers trying to make it so all new cars are hooked up to a network like WIFI [Re: koods]
    #23923519 - 12/13/16 05:57 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I could only imagine the possibilities of hacked self-driving cars, or the possibilities of programming cars to do malicious activities. If self-driving cars are inevitable, we are putting all of our faith in the programmers who design how they will operate to not mess up big time. With all the scandal the gets leaked out by the auto industry (e.g. VW diesel scandal), you know something big is doomed to happen.


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Re: US lawmakers trying to make it so all new cars are hooked up to a network like WIFI [Re: Californian] * 2
    #23923613 - 12/13/16 06:04 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Still better than having your average human behind the wheel, texting with one hand, drinking a beer  and jerking off with the other.


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Re: US lawmakers trying to make it so all new cars are hooked up to a network like WIFI [Re: 404]
    #23923651 - 12/13/16 06:09 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Like all technology, it will press onward with or without our consent if it is the most efficient or "intelligent"" path.

Technology is our master. We are simply slaves propagating it while it keeps us alive but increasingly dependent.

We are one of few species on earth who exist to propagate a non-living entity. One day it will consume us and we will be in our final form.


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Re: US lawmakers trying to make it so all new cars are hooked up to a network like WIFI [Re: ModestMouse]
    #23923692 - 12/13/16 06:16 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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koods said:
Still better than having your average human behind the wheel, texting with one hand, drinking a beer  and jerking off with the other.



Totally agreed.

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Like all technology, it will press onward with or without our consent if it is the most efficient or "intelligent"" path.

Technology is our master. We are simply slaves propagating it while it keeps us alive but increasingly dependent.

We are one of few species on earth who exist to propagate a non-living entity. One day it will consume us and we will be in our final form.



Agreed as well. Are there other species that propagate non-living entities? Just curious.

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Re: US lawmakers trying to make it so all new cars are hooked up to a network like WIFI [Re: Californian]
    #23923698 - 12/13/16 06:17 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

First thing that came to mind was the coral reef but I believe it is living so I could be wrong.

If we are indeed the first it might explain our exponential influence over other species. I do believe technology is both unstoppable and ultimately our savior as well as the undoing of our biological origins.


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Re: US lawmakers trying to make it so all new cars are hooked up to a network like WIFI [Re: 404]
    #23923699 - 12/13/16 06:17 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

It'll help the self driving car industry immensely. If you have all cars talking to each other then developing a self driving car becomes much, much easier, because it can just talk to the cars around it to find out where they are and what's going on.


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Re: US lawmakers trying to make it so all new cars are hooked up to a network like WIFI [Re: nooneman]
    #23923713 - 12/13/16 06:22 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Sure, i mean that's pretty logical. obviously though it's something that reeeally needs to be ironed out. Tesla was reportedly having some issues with it's autopilot feature and will take some time as the technology learns and gets better at it's tasks. i think even google had one instance not too long ago where it was at fault for the first time as well?

I'm pretty sure i mentioned somewhere before that i felt this was the ultimate direction anyway, which will likely come with insurance incentives to have these safety features, and sooner or later even environment taxes on internal combustion engines.


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Re: US lawmakers trying to make it so all new cars are hooked up to a network like WIFI [Re: 404]
    #23923721 - 12/13/16 06:24 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

The trucking industry is in a freightening (lol) state.
I daresay it will cling to employing humans long after autopilot is a consumer feature however, unions will attempt to fight the inevitable and it is a LARGE job industry that we stand to lose.


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Re: US lawmakers trying to make it so all new cars are hooked up to a network like WIFI [Re: 404] * 1
    #23923728 - 12/13/16 06:25 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

US lawmakers are idiots.

this is a terrible idea.

oh and you will never find me rolling around in a self driven car, or a self braking vehicle for that matter.


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Re: US lawmakers trying to make it so all new cars are hooked up to a network like WIFI [Re: ModestMouse]
    #23923737 - 12/13/16 06:28 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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The trucking industry is in a freightening (lol) state.
I daresay it will cling to employing humans long after autopilot is a consumer feature however, unions will attempt to fight the inevitable and it is a LARGE job industry that we stand to lose.




it's inevitable. Why pay someone to do what a robot can do better? ai don't sleep as long as the power source stays on.


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Re: US lawmakers trying to make it so all new cars are hooked up to a network like WIFI [Re: 404]
    #23923750 - 12/13/16 06:31 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Ultimately it will all be a sun-to-simulated consciousness energy transfer with silicon facilitating the transmission (keeping our lights on)

This is most efficient and will win out if our species continues to survive in a relatively non-threatening environment.
Efficiency always wins.

Probably less than a millennium away.


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Re: US lawmakers trying to make it so all new cars are hooked up to a network like WIFI [Re: 404]
    #23923755 - 12/13/16 06:33 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I'm all for this sort of stuff generally, imo the problem isn't the technology its corporate power and the corrupting influence of the free market on politics. Keep corporate power in check and we won't have to worry nearly as much about the ulterior motives of politicians, which are almost always to the direct benefit of corporate oligarchs really :shrug:


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Re: US lawmakers trying to make it so all new cars are hooked up to a network like WIFI [Re: 404]
    #23923773 - 12/13/16 06:40 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

everyone's already hooked up via phone might as well make it official, that's my motto..

i feel like they're already using the gps devices on our phones n stuff to navigate traffic in a certain direction like to control traffic n stuff..


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Re: US lawmakers trying to make it so all new cars are hooked up to a network like WIFI [Re: Ezuma]
    #23923774 - 12/13/16 06:40 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

sounds like b.s. infrared and camera's and stuff like that would still be needed which are all self contained
sounds like they just want to track peoples movements


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Re: US lawmakers trying to make it so all new cars are hooked up to a network like WIFI [Re: Konyap]
    #23923781 - 12/13/16 06:43 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Who do you refer to when you say "they"?
You are aware our government is composed of us essentially.


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Re: US lawmakers trying to make it so all new cars are hooked up to a network like WIFI [Re: Konyap] * 1
    #23923785 - 12/13/16 06:43 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I aint got no phone and I aint got no car wooh
however probably posting here is enough to incriminate me in the coming era of overt corporate fascism

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Re: US lawmakers trying to make it so all new cars are hooked up to a network like WIFI [Re: Ezuma]
    #23923787 - 12/13/16 06:44 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

the majority of accidents are caused by illegal behavior or inattention, most deaths are caused by guess what speed and speed alone


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Re: US lawmakers trying to make it so all new cars are hooked up to a network like WIFI [Re: Konyap]
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Re: US lawmakers trying to make it so all new cars are hooked up to a network like WIFI [Re: Konyap]
    #23923796 - 12/13/16 06:47 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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the majority of accidents are caused by illegal behavior or inattention, most deaths are caused by guess what speed and speed alone




and? is this a counterpoint to something?


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Re: US lawmakers trying to make it so all new cars are hooked up to a network like WIFI [Re: 404] * 1
    #23923869 - 12/13/16 07:06 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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If they figure out a way to fully encrypt the channels used to communicate between the car and the network, they might stand a chance i suppose? that is, until quantum computing fully reaches it's supposed potential and renders all current encryption standards obsolete, right?




someday Die Hard 4 will actually be a reality...making that shitty movie somewhat prophetic, and it'll be retro.


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Re: US lawmakers trying to make it so all new cars are hooked up to a network like WIFI [Re: zZZz]
    #23923955 - 12/13/16 07:32 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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everyone's already hooked up via phone might as well make it official, that's my motto..

i feel like they're already using the gps devices on our phones n stuff to navigate traffic in a certain direction like to control traffic n stuff..




This.  All modern cars have bluetooth and USB connections to your phone anyway.


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Re: US lawmakers trying to make it so all new cars are hooked up to a network like WIFI [Re: 404]
    #23924133 - 12/13/16 08:12 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I think this is a good thing, a necessary step to automating vehicles

As far as truckers go, there will be decades to transition


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Re: US lawmakers trying to make it so all new cars are hooked up to a network like WIFI [Re: Repertoire89]
    #23924861 - 12/14/16 02:09 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I see those 18 wheelers and think how can they even drive here

they shouldn't let those  things off the interstate


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Re: US lawmakers trying to make it so all new cars are hooked up to a network like WIFI [Re: Konyap] * 1
    #23924870 - 12/14/16 02:19 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

they better make sure this isnt a centralized system with a single point of failure otherwise this will be a heaven for hackers


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Re: US lawmakers trying to make it so all new cars are hooked up to a network like WIFI [Re: 404]
    #23924952 - 12/14/16 04:30 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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This is a move to make new cars talk to each other to share info and stop roughly 600k traffic crashes a year...


I operate under the assumption that if it can be hooked up to a network and programmed, it can be hax0r'd


How do you feel about having telemetry of this nature in your car? clearly it will be a required thing in the future, and it allows for further peeking into the lives other people under the guise of "well it keeps people safe"




As someone who has never gotten my driver's license primarily due to disability,
and who lives in an area with very poor availability of public transportation,
the prospect of this sort of automation is pretty enticing to me.

There are some interesting ambitions involved.



The statistics on traffic and commuting are kind of wowing.
This talk has a number of the potential ideas people want to make use of -- the sort of train/bus that splits apart while driving was particularly thought-provoking to me.

The threat of hacking is certainly real though, and could lead to some pretty odd or potentially dangerous situations.


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Re: US lawmakers trying to make it so all new cars are hooked up to a network like WIFI [Re: Tantrika] * 1
    #23924988 - 12/14/16 05:10 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I would rather see all new cars have an interlock system installed.  no pass the breathalyzer, no start your car.


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Re: US lawmakers trying to make it so all new cars are hooked up to a network like WIFI [Re: 404]
    #23925041 - 12/14/16 06:01 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Even though there a plenty of dunces who don't belong on the road, I think a driverless car mandate would be retarded. I personally enjoy driving.

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Re: US lawmakers trying to make it so all new cars are hooked up to a network like WIFI [Re: Webster10] * 1
    #23925071 - 12/14/16 06:26 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Even though there a plenty of dunces who don't belong on the road, I think a driverless car mandate would be retarded. I personally enjoy driving.

https://www.google.com/amp/amp.usatoday.com/story/74946614/




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Re: US lawmakers trying to make it so all new cars are hooked up to a network like WIFI [Re: koods]
    #23925172 - 12/14/16 08:03 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Still better than having your average human behind the wheel, texting with one hand, drinking a beer  and jerking off with the other.



Yeah the bar is set very low.


It's bizarre how much people worry about incredibly rare causes of death like terrorist attacks and spree shootings, while the constant carnage on the roads is pretty much accepted as a given.


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Re: US lawmakers trying to make it so all new cars are hooked up to a network like WIFI [Re: Webster10]
    #23925175 - 12/14/16 08:06 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Even though there a plenty of dunces who don't belong on the road, I think a driverless car mandate would be retarded. I personally enjoy driving.

https://www.google.com/amp/amp.usatoday.com/story/74946614/



Right, but when the technology exists and is ubiquitous among every car on the road, there will be few compelling reasons to keep cars 'analog' beyond allowing them to go into manual mode for emergency or off road reasons. I don't think it'll be instant, but within our lifetimes.

30 years it will at least be on the table as a political issue. Cigarettes too with vaping becoming popular, though I don't know if cigarettes themselves will be illegal in our lifetimes.


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Re: US lawmakers trying to make it so all new cars are hooked up to a network like WIFI [Re: psi]
    #23925177 - 12/14/16 08:07 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

It's a great idea.

It's also a little 1984. But I carry a cellphone with GPS on it everywhere I go so...


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Re: US lawmakers trying to make it so all new cars are hooked up to a network like WIFI [Re: Konyap]
    #23925199 - 12/14/16 08:21 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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I see those 18 wheelers and think how can they even drive here

they shouldn't let those  things off the interstate





that would be great, then nothing would get to the stores it's supposed to go to, it
will all rot in warehouses and trucks that are out of fuel would be clogging the
interstates


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Re: US lawmakers trying to make it so all new cars are hooked up to a network like WIFI [Re: koods] * 1
    #23925204 - 12/14/16 08:22 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Even though there a plenty of dunces who don't belong on the road, I think a driverless car mandate would be retarded. I personally enjoy driving.

https://www.google.com/amp/amp.usatoday.com/story/74946614/




Insurance companies will stop allowing humans to drive before it becomes illegal





wouldnt that negate the need for insurance


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Re: US lawmakers trying to make it so all new cars are hooked up to a network like WIFI [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23925718 - 12/14/16 11:50 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Your car will still need insurance as it does now. It just won't need to cover a driver.


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    #23926058 - 12/14/16 01:33 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Maybe they'll make car insurance mandatory

Seemed to work pretty good under Oshitcare


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Re: US lawmakers trying to make it so all new cars are hooked up to a network like WIFI [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #23926216 - 12/14/16 02:14 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

it's not already mandatory? this is news to me...

here in my state, only moto insurance is not required by law to operate iirc


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