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US lawmakers trying to make it so all new cars are hooked up to a network like WIFI 1
#23923374 - 12/13/16 05:23 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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This is a move to make new cars talk to each other to share info and stop roughly 600k traffic crashes a year...
I operate under the assumption that if it can be hooked up to a network and programmed, it can be hax0r'd
How do you feel about having telemetry of this nature in your car? clearly it will be a required thing in the future, and it allows for further peeking into the lives other people under the guise of "well it keeps people safe"
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Re: US lawmakers trying to make it so all new cars are hooked up to a network like WIFI [Re: 404]
#23923384 - 12/13/16 05:25 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Anything that can be abused ends up getting abused, especially when we are talking about the government.
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Re: US lawmakers trying to make it so all new cars are hooked up to a network like WIFI [Re: luvdemboomers]
#23923409 - 12/13/16 05:31 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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This is for real? I think it is a good idea in principle for the purpose of preventing accidents, but the potential to track your every move... little disconcerting. Well, on second though, Google's doing just that already.
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Re: US lawmakers trying to make it so all new cars are hooked up to a network like WIFI [Re: luvdemboomers] 3
#23923425 - 12/13/16 05:34 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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I'm personally of the opinion that all cars should be (required to be) self driving by 2040 or so. You are right though, they run the risk of being hacked if they are connected to a centralized database. I don't know if you heard of the giant hack recently where some program used the computing resources of wifi connected kitchen appliances all over the world to DDOS some businesses and stuff. Other types of hacks are possible as well.
But those kind of hacks are a problem because of faulty standards in hardware. Like using the same basic passwords for most routers and leaving things open to toying with by anyone within reach. If done right I don't know that hacking itself would be a huge threat. On it's potential for government spying applications, it's not much different from existing technologies that we carry in our pocket, or watch entertainment with. We are slowly connecting to the grid on a constant basis. The future generations will be completely immersed in the internet. I'd say that point of no return has passed.
I'd like to go back to a simpler time, but there's not much stopping technology integration. Road safety is a prime concern, you could argue that usage of the roads is self submersion into the system.
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Re: US lawmakers trying to make it so all new cars are hooked up to a network like WIFI [Re: PatrickKn] 3
#23923431 - 12/13/16 05:37 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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OP, who are you going to yell at if cars don't have a driver?
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Re: US lawmakers trying to make it so all new cars are hooked up to a network like WIFI [Re: 404]
#23923435 - 12/13/16 05:38 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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I'll never have a new car so I'll never have to worry about it.
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Re: US lawmakers trying to make it so all new cars are hooked up to a network like WIFI [Re: Shroomslip] 1
#23923440 - 12/13/16 05:40 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Eventually you won't be able to insure human driven cars and you will have a museum piece
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Re: US lawmakers trying to make it so all new cars are hooked up to a network like WIFI [Re: koods]
#23923507 - 12/13/16 05:53 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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PatrickKn said: I'm personally of the opinion that all cars should be self driving by 2040 or so. You are right though, they run the risk of being hacked if they are connected to a centralized database. I don't know if you heard of the giant hack recently where some program used the computing resources of wifi connected kitchen appliances all over the world to DDOS some businesses and stuff. Other types of hacks are possible as well.
But those kind of hacks are a problem because of faulty standards in hardware. Like using the same basic passwords for most routers and leaving things open to toying with by anyone within reach. If done right I don't know that hacking itself would be a huge threat. On it's potential for government spying applications, it's not much different from existing technologies that we carry in our pocket, or watch entertainment with. We are slowly connecting to the grid on a constant basis. The future generations will be completely immersed in the internet. I'd say that point of no return has passed.
I'd like to go back to a simpler time, but there's not much stopping technology integration. Road safety is a prime concern, you could argue that usage of the roads is self submersion into the system.
If they figure out a way to fully encrypt the channels used to communicate between the car and the network, they might stand a chance i suppose? that is, until quantum computing fully reaches it's supposed potential and renders all current encryption standards obsolete, right?
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your mom, for bringing your bitch ass into the world
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Re: US lawmakers trying to make it so all new cars are hooked up to a network like WIFI [Re: koods]
#23923519 - 12/13/16 05:57 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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I could only imagine the possibilities of hacked self-driving cars, or the possibilities of programming cars to do malicious activities. If self-driving cars are inevitable, we are putting all of our faith in the programmers who design how they will operate to not mess up big time. With all the scandal the gets leaked out by the auto industry (e.g. VW diesel scandal), you know something big is doomed to happen.
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Re: US lawmakers trying to make it so all new cars are hooked up to a network like WIFI [Re: Californian] 2
#23923613 - 12/13/16 06:04 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Still better than having your average human behind the wheel, texting with one hand, drinking a beer and jerking off with the other.
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Re: US lawmakers trying to make it so all new cars are hooked up to a network like WIFI [Re: 404]
#23923651 - 12/13/16 06:09 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Like all technology, it will press onward with or without our consent if it is the most efficient or "intelligent"" path.
Technology is our master. We are simply slaves propagating it while it keeps us alive but increasingly dependent.
We are one of few species on earth who exist to propagate a non-living entity. One day it will consume us and we will be in our final form.
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Re: US lawmakers trying to make it so all new cars are hooked up to a network like WIFI [Re: ModestMouse]
#23923692 - 12/13/16 06:16 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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koods said: Still better than having your average human behind the wheel, texting with one hand, drinking a beer and jerking off with the other.
Totally agreed.
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ModestMouse said: Like all technology, it will press onward with or without our consent if it is the most efficient or "intelligent"" path.
Technology is our master. We are simply slaves propagating it while it keeps us alive but increasingly dependent.
We are one of few species on earth who exist to propagate a non-living entity. One day it will consume us and we will be in our final form.
Agreed as well. Are there other species that propagate non-living entities? Just curious.
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Re: US lawmakers trying to make it so all new cars are hooked up to a network like WIFI [Re: Californian]
#23923698 - 12/13/16 06:17 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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First thing that came to mind was the coral reef but I believe it is living so I could be wrong.
If we are indeed the first it might explain our exponential influence over other species. I do believe technology is both unstoppable and ultimately our savior as well as the undoing of our biological origins.
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Re: US lawmakers trying to make it so all new cars are hooked up to a network like WIFI [Re: 404]
#23923699 - 12/13/16 06:17 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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It'll help the self driving car industry immensely. If you have all cars talking to each other then developing a self driving car becomes much, much easier, because it can just talk to the cars around it to find out where they are and what's going on.
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Re: US lawmakers trying to make it so all new cars are hooked up to a network like WIFI [Re: nooneman]
#23923713 - 12/13/16 06:22 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Sure, i mean that's pretty logical. obviously though it's something that reeeally needs to be ironed out. Tesla was reportedly having some issues with it's autopilot feature and will take some time as the technology learns and gets better at it's tasks. i think even google had one instance not too long ago where it was at fault for the first time as well?
I'm pretty sure i mentioned somewhere before that i felt this was the ultimate direction anyway, which will likely come with insurance incentives to have these safety features, and sooner or later even environment taxes on internal combustion engines.
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Re: US lawmakers trying to make it so all new cars are hooked up to a network like WIFI [Re: 404]
#23923721 - 12/13/16 06:24 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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The trucking industry is in a freightening (lol) state. I daresay it will cling to employing humans long after autopilot is a consumer feature however, unions will attempt to fight the inevitable and it is a LARGE job industry that we stand to lose.
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Re: US lawmakers trying to make it so all new cars are hooked up to a network like WIFI [Re: 404] 1
#23923728 - 12/13/16 06:25 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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US lawmakers are idiots.
this is a terrible idea.
oh and you will never find me rolling around in a self driven car, or a self braking vehicle for that matter.
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Re: US lawmakers trying to make it so all new cars are hooked up to a network like WIFI [Re: ModestMouse]
#23923737 - 12/13/16 06:28 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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ModestMouse said: The trucking industry is in a freightening (lol) state. I daresay it will cling to employing humans long after autopilot is a consumer feature however, unions will attempt to fight the inevitable and it is a LARGE job industry that we stand to lose.
it's inevitable. Why pay someone to do what a robot can do better? ai don't sleep as long as the power source stays on.
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Re: US lawmakers trying to make it so all new cars are hooked up to a network like WIFI [Re: 404]
#23923750 - 12/13/16 06:31 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Ultimately it will all be a sun-to-simulated consciousness energy transfer with silicon facilitating the transmission (keeping our lights on)
This is most efficient and will win out if our species continues to survive in a relatively non-threatening environment. Efficiency always wins.
Probably less than a millennium away.
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Re: US lawmakers trying to make it so all new cars are hooked up to a network like WIFI [Re: 404]
#23923755 - 12/13/16 06:33 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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I'm all for this sort of stuff generally, imo the problem isn't the technology its corporate power and the corrupting influence of the free market on politics. Keep corporate power in check and we won't have to worry nearly as much about the ulterior motives of politicians, which are almost always to the direct benefit of corporate oligarchs really
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