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OfflineLucisM
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Re: How exactly do you achieve 'ego death' [Re: Space Coast Slayer]
    #23939046 - 12/18/16 07:48 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Ive had numerous experiences where I was tripping so hard I felt like I ceased to exist, like the consciousness that made me Fennario was gone and something else more raw was in its place, like I was one with the visuals I was having, kind of hard to explain, but one time I was aware I was this raw bit of energy, but that something that I was, was not the same something that I am now sitting here typing this, it was like I had evolved into some other form for a period of time, learned a lesson, then brought that lesson back into the form I know as Fennario, does that makes sense?  It was almost as if I wouldn't have been able to have been taught the lesson if I had been the normal Fennario, I had to be that raw bit of energy in order to process the information which was being shown to me, because the ego attached with my normal earth bound Fennario consciousness, would not have been able to process that information, I don't know, this sounds really weird.

I do know this, ego death changed my life, gave me the will to overcome addiction, gave me the will to think better about myself and the world around me, so I think there's something to it.




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Re: How exactly do you achieve 'ego death' [Re: Lucis]
    #23939083 - 12/18/16 08:10 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Drug science is probably a good answer, especially seeing as how psychedelics like magic mushrooms work to inhibit the fight or flight response.


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Re: How exactly do you achieve 'ego death' [Re: sudly]
    #23939992 - 12/19/16 10:01 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

In my experiences it's when your identity that you label as your ego dissolves away and things like death and not existing any longer give no fear or consequence based reactions.


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Re: How exactly do you achieve 'ego death' [Re: Takethatdarwin]
    #23939999 - 12/19/16 10:03 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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In my experiences it's when your identity that you label as your ego dissolves away and things like death and not existing any longer give no fear or consequence based reactions.





I haven't feared death in many years, in fact I have tried to talk with a couple of my family members about the type of thinking which helps me maintain this way of thinking day in and day out.  I feel like many people fear death, fear aging, but for myself I attribute my lack of fear for these things with having consumed psychs from a young age very frequently.


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Re: How exactly do you achieve 'ego death' [Re: Lucis]
    #23940256 - 12/19/16 12:45 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Pretty sure Ego death is what I experience on acid sometimes where everything starts racing so fast and eventually your mind dissolves and no longer contains thought only awareness you are no longer sure of what you are or if you have a body anymore to me it felt like someone scrambling my brain and becoming a mental vegetable only able to view but not process what is happening. It scared the shit out of me.

Don't really like acid to be honest it lacks the euphoria of psilocybin and doesn't feel natural nor did it make me feel connected the way shrooms do.


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Re: How exactly do you achieve 'ego death' [Re: Takethatdarwin]
    #23941358 - 12/19/16 07:13 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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In my experiences it's when your identity that you label as your ego dissolves away and things like death and not existing any longer give no fear or consequence based reactions.




You don't label your own identity, you simply have three parts that make up your personality, as described in Sigmund Freud's Theory of the Tripartite Personality.

The simplest way to interpret Freud's model of the human experience is as such. 
  • Super Ego is your moral judgement/Neocortex.
  • The Ego is the emotions and feelings of your heart/Cardiac.
  • The ID is your instinctive gut feelings/Fight or flight response.




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Re: How exactly do you achieve 'ego death' [Re: Space Coast Slayer]
    #23942179 - 12/20/16 12:49 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

To me ego death is when u destroy your own sense of self. Your name and identity become meaningless and u are juat thought or awareness.

In ego dissolution there is no thoughts of "im tripping" its only "i am the trip now". U become the trip itself.

Its called ego death cause it feels like u are actually dying. It can be quite scary if u are not ready.

Its poasible u either have a very strong ego, very strong tolerance or mentally cannot go there.


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Re: How exactly do you achieve 'ego death' [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #23945026 - 12/21/16 12:28 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I hate the term ego death, but what people say is ego death is what I have experienced so I just go with it. even on low doses I start to feel like my life is an illusion and I don't actually exist as a person. ON hihg doses I become convinced that I am disconnected from my regular life and am not a real person anymore. Can be scary. :eek:


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Re: How exactly do you achieve 'ego death' [Re: dr.alkaline]
    #23945225 - 12/21/16 05:07 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Psychedelics don't cause ego death because in Freudian terms the ego is related to the cardiac system and psychedelics work to effect the sympathetic nervous system which is responsible for digestion and the fight or flight response which is the instinctive part of our personality or the ID as described in Sigmund Freud's theory of a Tripartite Personality on which the whole 'Ego' idea is based.


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Re: How exactly do you achieve 'ego death' [Re: sudly] * 1
    #23945933 - 12/21/16 12:07 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Its called Ego Death because it removes our sense of self, our sense of individuality, the Ego.

The Ego says "I am". But in Ego Death, there is no "I" or "Me" but instead just "Am". So its not "I am dead" instead its just "dead", or what it feels like to die.

It has everything to do with how you view yourself.

I prefer the term Ego Dissolution, since its the proper term and Ego doesnt actually die, its simply temporary removed.


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Re: How exactly do you achieve 'ego death' [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #23946665 - 12/21/16 05:02 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

The only reason any experience while using psychedelics like magic mushrooms would simulate death is because thev temporarily inhibit the sympathetic nervous system(fight or flight response) with anxiolytic and sympathomimetic properties like those of psilocybin.

Sympathetic nervous system or ID dissolution is the only explanation that makes anatomical sense.


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Re: How exactly do you achieve 'ego death' [Re: sudly]
    #23946761 - 12/21/16 05:31 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

How to?

You take a whole lot more psychedelics than you are comfortable with.  That is indeed how it happens and it is not safe for a great many people to be doing that.  Many will become violent even.  Not everybody, but you could probably pick them out if you know your people and your psychedelics. 

  It is best to take it slow and work with the whole idea of knowing your psychedelics, while avoiding the baseness of attributing the "level" of your trip to words people just play around with.  Ego-death has no real meaning anymore.  The whole idea has been kind of destroyed.

You can try to get there with really high doses and might approach some form of this "ego-death", on doses you have managed to become comfortable with, ie high doses.  Doses that are high for you.

Just an off the cuff few words about it.  You can probably overdose yourself anytime.  Nobody understands what the fuss is about.  You will know it when you find it and when you see how to exist there for a small time you will figure out what it means to stay there for a great while.


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Re: How exactly do you achieve 'ego death' [Re: Imsocoolboutmyself]
    #23946781 - 12/21/16 05:38 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

For shrooms you need to eat something like 2kg dry at once to OD.

Even on 2g there can be an experience of ID dissolution.


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Re: How exactly do you achieve 'ego death' [Re: sudly]
    #23946881 - 12/21/16 06:09 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Over dose.  To dose over.  I'm not talking bout dyin here you guys!


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Re: How exactly do you achieve 'ego death' [Re: Imsocoolboutmyself]
    #23947330 - 12/21/16 08:34 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

5-7 dried grams if you haven't dosed in a while is enough for most people to have a full on out of body psychedelic experience where nothing in your vision remains of this realm all you see are fractals both with eyes open and closed and can feel very similar to DMT and give the user the so called sensation of " ego death" ...since it is in essence just orally active DMT, 4-PO-DMT to be precise. It would only make sense since regular DMT( NN-DMT) provides users quite often with what they call ego death that the same be true for shrooms.

I just think people are so overwhelmed with what occurs at the higher does of mush and DMT that they don't know what to call it...quite often if you try and get someone to describe to you what their DMT experience was like they will tell you there really aren't words to describe it. Joe Rogan talks about this all the time words just do not do the experience justice. It very much does feel initially though with a breakthrough dose that you are dying( or what you perceive it would feel like to die since with no frame of reference you wouldn't know

The near death experience and full psychedelic experience are so similar in their stories that you really do start to think they may be one of the same....it's just with one you are able to come back and tell the tale....somewhat.

Shit...all this talk got me wanting to load up the GVG with some spice.


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Re: How exactly do you achieve 'ego death' [Re: Dabrit] * 2
    #23947338 - 12/21/16 08:38 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Keep working with the DMT if this is something you want to experience. DMT FORCED ego death upon me, in a good way, sorta. Best experience of my life. Also the worst.


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Re: How exactly do you achieve 'ego death' [Re: ak47myth]
    #23947356 - 12/21/16 08:48 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Keep working with the DMT if this is something you want to experience. DMT FORCED ego death upon me, in a good way, sorta. Best experience of my life. Also the worst.




It's a whole another level.


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Re: How exactly do you achieve 'ego death' [Re: Dabrit]
    #23951560 - 12/23/16 12:29 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

The term ego death suggests a transpersonal experience, and probably would not be experienced from the sperspective of the ego, as such. 

It is possible that in states of interconnectedness, such as can be had on psychedelics or in various sorts of trances arising from meditation, hypnosis, or other methods, the question of an individual existence as separate from the interconnected experience might cease to be a relevant concern.

That aside, most people, who I have met, who have claimed to have achieved such a thing seemed to be prone to intense egotism. 

Some people just use ego death as a way of bypassing their better judgement and removing themselves from interconnectedness.

It is probably just best to try to find a way to be in a state of harmony and balance with the universe.  Then continue to follow that way unimpeeded. 

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