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How exactly do you achieve 'ego death'
    #23921989 - 12/13/16 09:05 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Okay.. I like to consider myself a seasoned psychonaut.. Been doing mushrooms for half my life (current age 30) with my standard dose being 7 grams, and highest dose being 14 grams.. I have smoked DMT on at least 300 occasions in my life with the average dose being two tokes, with 4 tokes being the most I have managed.. Not a whole lot of experince with LSD as trying to find it around here is like trying to find a unicorn but my largest dose is 4 hits..

Out of the thousands of psychedelic experiences I have had over the years, I have never experienced an ego death, or if I have, I was completely unaware.. A couple questions..

1) How exactly would YOU define ego death, and what does it entail?

2) Are there things you can do to make yourself more mentally susceptible to experiencing ego death?

Maybe it's just that my ego is too big to kill  :grin:


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Re: How exactly do you achieve 'ego death' [Re: Space Coast Slayer]
    #23922011 - 12/13/16 09:20 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

lack of 'self', when the term 'I' cannot be understood anymore.
when you have no knowledge of what you were before there was no 'I'.
the sense that you are part of the 'whole', but nothing else but it.
you are the whole.

those are the best words i could put it up onto.
I had some trips that were like that but I really don't know if that is really ego death, just seems like it.


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Re: How exactly do you achieve 'ego death' [Re: psilosalvia]
    #23922033 - 12/13/16 09:38 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

1. Ego death is when you are so obliterated you no longer feel a sense of self anymore, or in some cases you just feel like you've died or are dying and you accept this in a positive manner. You come out of it relieved, thankful, and rebalanced. If you're looking for a more intense experience in order to obtain a more proper ego death, I would suggest eating more shrooms obviously, and supplementing with a few grams of Syrian rue.


2. Setting is everything when tripping. It is different for everyone, a proper setting for an advanced user could just be having good friends around. I can do a lot of things when tripping now that I'm experienced, like river tubing and movies.

Some of my friends like to trip in silence or alone so they can go into deep trances of self discovery. I think these particular settings would be more in line with what you're trying to achieve. I had to find a nice quiet back room for my ayahuasca trip.


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Re: How exactly do you achieve 'ego death' [Re: Space Coast Slayer]
    #23922098 - 12/13/16 10:03 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I never "tried" to get ego death it just happened.

To me ego death is basically forgetting who and what you are and ime I lost the ability to have thoughts because me and my mind were no longer present, I was basically just pure awareness.


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Re: How exactly do you achieve 'ego death' [Re: AuroraBorealis88]
    #23922113 - 12/13/16 10:08 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I always cease to exist as a body and completely detach. Its not the same as an oobe because I don't have a specific focal point. I would immediately become the whole room then the town and eventually all of everything until I wasn't anymore and nothing existed then it would repeat or i would manipulate it somehow in the trip


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Re: How exactly do you achieve 'ego death' [Re: Mike4aco]
    #23922447 - 12/13/16 11:58 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

1) Ego death is when you don't only forget who you are specifically, but you also stop distinguishing between phenomenon and experience, between your body and the grass, your ind and the sun, your self and the person next to you, and are living completely in the moment as pure undefined and undivided experience. 
2) Take mushrooms

I've only had what I consider ego death once, strangely on about 2.5 g of mushrooms in lemon while 4g never did it to me :shrug: Melted in the grass for about half an hour, at the peak of it i literally forgot i was a different person than the friends lying next to me, as well as the plants around and the ground below, like we were all one huge being that included at least the globe. In a lot of ways I've kinda been chasing that feeling for the last 3 years without complete success


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Re: How exactly do you achieve 'ego death' [Re: Space Coast Slayer]
    #23922523 - 12/13/16 12:34 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Smoke DMT in a large dose
Practice self inquiry through out your day


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Re: How exactly do you achieve 'ego death' [Re: Eggtimer]
    #23922667 - 12/13/16 01:22 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

7 grams of mushrooms didn't give you ego death?

Not that I'm recomending it but it seems like every time I achieved full ego death
( complete loss of who I was or what I'm doing, even thoughts become meaningless because they have no relevance to anything) I was always smoking cannabis as well.

A good bong and decent weed goes a long way on a psychedelic trip IMO.

I don't even smoke on my trips anymore until the comedown because anything before the peak will floor me.


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Re: How exactly do you achieve 'ego death' [Re: Eggtimer]
    #23922915 - 12/13/16 02:41 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I had a pretty ego suppressing or humbling experience while almost completely sober, still slightly high from smoking hash hours before but I was just waiting for the bus staring up at the stars trying to contemplate how much space was between each star so I could add them all up and be hit with the reality of it all at once and I just pictured a massive ocean between each one which really really made me feel so humbled and when I added them all up my mind was literally blown and I felt so incredibly small. Obviously the spaces between stars are much much bigger than that but allowing my mind to use something that it can vaguely comprehend like the size of the ocean it allowed me to have a more realistic view of how massive it all was than before.


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Re: How exactly do you achieve 'ego death' [Re: AuroraBorealis88]
    #23923039 - 12/13/16 03:12 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

If you're not taking a dose that scares you then you probably won't achieve it.


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Re: How exactly do you achieve 'ego death' [Re: Eclipse3130]
    #23923081 - 12/13/16 03:25 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I hear you Space Coast.  I think "ego death" is a term that a lot of people have used to give context to experiences that are deeply personal and probably experienced differently by everyone.  The way "ego" is used in terms of "ego death" is really a Freudian concept and that in itself is problematic.

But I think that when someone goes really deep into the psychedelic experience words cease to function in the same way (or even function at all), your mind's defenses and deeply embedded patterns (i.e. the foundations of your worldview) are temporarily stripped away, and there you are... the real you, naked and exposed, so to speak.  To me that is ego death... or so I've heard.  Good luck!


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Re: How exactly do you achieve 'ego death' [Re: Grey Fox]
    #23925871 - 12/14/16 12:47 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

1. i'd define ego death as a state of being completely independent from all physical stimuli, past, present, and future events, and your sense of self. your thoughts begin to manifest independently from the shadow of your experiences and preconceived notions about how you perceive this existence, allowing for less creative resistance and more potential for profound and enlightening revelations, imo.

2. certain mindful people can achieve a similar state of "ego death" through sober concentration. although your dose definitely matters, your set and setting are the key to dissolution from reality. i'd try meditation, controlled breathing, minimal external stimuli (silent darkness perhaps), and patience. it's not just some level of a conventional experience you'll be stepping into, it's an abstract and, honestly, sometimes frightening state of being. just be careful and tread lightly!


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Re: How exactly do you achieve 'ego death' [Re: theshrumnub]
    #23927348 - 12/14/16 07:14 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

The way i have achieved EGO dissolution the last 5-6 trips is by
taking 5g, and after about 90-120 minutes (at the point when i start to feel comfortable and "brave") i ingest usually 13g.

Another usual dose is i start with 8g and then re-dose with 13g. What happens most of the time after i ingest the second dose, is about 30-60 min into the dose i can't figure out if i'm sitting or standing, then it gets more and more confusing to the point that i don't know if im real or not, and about 75% of the time i end up with Christ Consciousness for about 30 min. One time i sort of had Buddha consciousness cause i mostly felt like i saw the world trough Buddhas eyes, but usually it's Jesus.

I think that Jesus and Buddha had total EGO dissolutions at some point
and their teachings originate from that state of consciousness. When it happens to you YOU CAN NOT mistake it for anything else really.

For me this is complete EGO dissolution, and always right before the BLISS i am in deep despair and anxiety EVERY time. Only when i accept my faith (that i have overdosed and i am going to die physically or forever be mentally damaged) only after accepting this fact, the EGO dissolves.


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Re: How exactly do you achieve 'ego death' [Re: Mateja]
    #23927561 - 12/14/16 08:28 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Mateah said:
The way i have achieved EGO dissolution the last 5-6 trips is by
taking 5g, and after about 90-120 minutes (at the point when i start to feel comfortable and "brave") i ingest usually 13g.

Another usual dose is i start with 8g and then re-dose with 13g. What happens most of the time after i ingest the second dose, is about 30-60 min into the dose i can't figure out if i'm sitting or standing, then it gets more and more confusing to the point that i don't know if im real or not




Holy fuck that sounds amazing! I've had similar religious experiences after double dosing in the middle of my trip. You just reaffirmed my desire to do so again. Thanks for being awesome


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Re: How exactly do you achieve 'ego death' [Re: Get Shwifty]
    #23937220 - 12/18/16 04:52 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

To me, "ego" death starts with seeing the Inner Light of the Entheogen.

Next is seeing that the Entheogen is a Being - a Teacher.

Finally is the understanding and belief that this Being is the God of all the "religions".

At that point, your old "self" has died.

"Let your thoughts be on heavenly things, not on the things that are on the earth, because you have died, and now the life you lead is hidden with Christ in God."
Colossians, 3,2 (St. Paul)


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Re: How exactly do you achieve 'ego death' [Re: endogenous]
    #23937224 - 12/18/16 05:10 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

3 hits of L and i forgot my name, saw visions of creation and the end of earth.
Came back and was  mute for near 20 hours. could not speak.
Havent be the same since.
Didnt do my ego - self any good, but it did get me off a destructive path.


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Re: How exactly do you achieve 'ego death' [Re: Space Coast Slayer]
    #23937244 - 12/18/16 05:38 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Space Coast Slayer said:
Okay.. I like to consider myself a seasoned psychonaut.. Been doing mushrooms for half my life (current age 30) with my standard dose being 7 grams, and highest dose being 14 grams.. I have smoked DMT on at least 300 occasions in my life with the average dose being two tokes, with 4 tokes being the most I have managed.. Not a whole lot of experince with LSD as trying to find it around here is like trying to find a unicorn but my largest dose is 4 hits..

Out of the thousands of psychedelic experiences I have had over the years, I have never experienced an ego death, or if I have, I was completely unaware.. A couple questions..

1) How exactly would YOU define ego death, and what does it entail?

2) Are there things you can do to make yourself more mentally susceptible to experiencing ego death?

Maybe it's just that my ego is too big to kill  :grin:




I define 'Ego death' as ID death in reference to the Freudian theory it's based on.

With the ID being the primitive and instinctive component of personality i.e. gut instinct, it's no surprise that ID is related to the fight or flight response.

Since psychedelics like magic mushrooms are anxiolytic(effect nervous system) and sympathomimetic(acts on sympathetic nervous system) they can act to stimulate and influence the sympathetic nervous system which is responsible for governing the fight or flight response.


To me ID death entails a temporary inhibition/numbing of the fight or flight response with sympathomimetic psychedelics.

Alphablockers are sympatholytic drugs that act in a similar way by inhibiting the sympathetic nervous system and hence the fight or flight response.


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Re: How exactly do you achieve 'ego death' [Re: sudly]
    #23937328 - 12/18/16 07:34 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

The little death may involve seeing your entire life's history. All your shit is in there. See Black Peter by The Grateful Dead...


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Re: How exactly do you achieve 'ego death' [Re: Crispykoot]
    #23938673 - 12/18/16 05:00 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I would think ID death is merely stepping away from instinctive sensations.


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Re: How exactly do you achieve 'ego death' [Re: Space Coast Slayer]
    #23939022 - 12/18/16 07:39 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Space Coast Slayer said:
Okay.. I like to consider myself a seasoned psychonaut.. Been doing mushrooms for half my life (current age 30) with my standard dose being 7 grams, and highest dose being 14 grams.. I have smoked DMT on at least 300 occasions in my life with the average dose being two tokes, with 4 tokes being the most I have managed.. Not a whole lot of experince with LSD as trying to find it around here is like trying to find a unicorn but my largest dose is 4 hits..

Out of the thousands of psychedelic experiences I have had over the years, I have never experienced an ego death, or if I have, I was completely unaware.. A couple questions..

1) How exactly would YOU define ego death, and what does it entail?

2) Are there things you can do to make yourself more mentally susceptible to experiencing ego death?

Maybe it's just that my ego is too big to kill  :grin:





There is no such thing as ego death


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Something there is mysteriously formed,
Existing before Heaven and Earth,
Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging,
All-pervading, unfailing,
I do not know its name; I call it tao.
If forced to give it a name, I call it
Great (ta). Being great, it flows out;
Flowing out means far-reaching;
Being far-reaching, it is said to return.


It's just a shot away..


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