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Re: First time mescaline preparation [Re: stuckinwonderland]
    #23933871 - 12/16/16 10:19 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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I can not say enough good things about making cactus tea. Reducing it to a small amount of tea and putting it into a glass baking dish to evaporate into a tar. Flour works good for the tar sticking to stuff as does some time in the fridge/freezer. Just roll the tar into little balls and swallow like pills




Worst experience of my life when I did this. I got chocked on the tar balls and almost suffocated before I could get them back up.


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Re: First time mescaline preparation [Re: stuckinwonderland]
    #23934814 - 12/17/16 08:54 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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I can not say enough good things about making cactus tea. Reducing it to a small amount of tea and putting it into a glass baking dish to evaporate into a tar. Flour works good for the tar sticking to stuff as does some time in the fridge/freezer. Just roll the tar into little balls and swallow like pills




How many balls of tar did it take?  I want to eat it once, I hate the tea, and taking 1 pill is just too damned appealing....which again is why I say D-Limonene...pop the pill and prepare for blast off.


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Re: First time mescaline preparation [Re: mandrin13]
    #23936699 - 12/17/16 10:07 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

It depends on how much you make but it is several. My last batch was like a piece of laffy taffy that you tear pieces off and roll into manageable balls. Really it's quite a bit to consume but it is much easier than a real extraction and not hard to consume.


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Re: First time mescaline preparation [Re: stuckinwonderland]
    #23937125 - 12/18/16 02:36 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Thanks for the replies. Making a tea out of it may be the best way, but I really don't like the prospect of having to cook and stir for hours on end. Besides, I could easily see myself messing up the process somewhere.

How about this:

-I despine the cactus
-I cut the cactus in slices a bit less than an inch thick.
-I dry the bridgesii on the lowest setting in an open oven.
-I grind the chips down to a powder in a coffee grinder.
-I take the powder, and chase it down with grapefruit juice.

Anyone have any notes on that? Would it work? This would be easy to prepare, and much easier to ingest than the fresh cactus, and would get me all of the alkaloids, right?

Would I need to peel/de-skin the cactus, or could I just keep it on to be dried and ground? (I read a lot of the psychoactive substances are located in or just beneaeth the skin).

Is there any objection to mixing it with grapefruit juice, as I read tap water, for example, can degrade the alkaloids in the cactus.

Thanks for all the help.


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Re: First time mescaline preparation [Re: TzX]
    #23937359 - 12/18/16 07:59 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

The lack of effort you wish to include leads me to think your only option is to eat it raw, rather than messing with the powder.


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Re: First time mescaline preparation [Re: mandrin13]
    #23937367 - 12/18/16 08:07 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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The lack of effort you wish to include leads me to think your only option is to eat it raw, rather than messing with the powder.




Not sure I understand you. What would be the problem with making a powder out of it?

I do want to make an effort, I'm just a first timer for mescaline and don't want to complicate it more than necessary, especially because I'm not much of a chemist/kitchen prodigy, so getting a powder and eating it seems like an easy way to get it all in.

Even watching these simplified youtube videos on boiling it leave me with more questions.


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Re: First time mescaline preparation [Re: TzX]
    #23937435 - 12/18/16 08:50 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

OK, because some pressure exists in this thread to get me to finally make a tea lol...

Suppose I want to make a bridgesii tea. I'll use this video as a guide.

1: the water I use in this preparation has to be distilled water, right? Because I read that tap water may degrade the alkaloids in the cactus.

2: I blend the cactus pieces which are just covered in water. I add this mixture to a large pot. Do I need to add more water when this mixture is in the pot?

3: I heat the mixture in the pot on low temperature. About what temperature is that? I never get the mixture to boil though because the tea would evaporate with the mescaline, correct? How do I know a stove is actually set to a low temperature?

4: beyond the first half hour, how frequently is stirring needed?

5: I know the mixture is ready when there's a few fingers width left. I can just strain the liquid through a sock or stocking, correct? Couldn't I just use a coffee filter?

6: how long can I leave the final tea in the fridge before drinking it?

Thanks for the help, and sorry for being so anal about it, I want to get it right.


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Re: First time mescaline preparation [Re: TzX]
    #23937799 - 12/18/16 11:43 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Chop up cacti
Freeze
Put cacti in pot, squeeze in lemon, add water
Simmer down to a small amount
Strain cacti put the reduced water in an empty pot.
Add cacti, fresh water, and lemon.
Repeat this at least 3x
Combine all the liquid and reduce to a small cup size or tar.
You'll want to brew some ginger tea and drink this before and after you drink your snot tea. It will help with nausea.  Once you go through the tea method you'll see why an extract is recommended by me.
You don't have to use distilled but imo distilled is better.
Set stove on low and simmer. You know it's on low because you set the dial to low.
Water vapor evaporates not the mesc. 
Stir as much as you want, you can't over stir.
It's not rocket science you are just simmering cacti. It's hard to mess it up.  You'll want lots of water and enough heat to simmer.  Imo a stb extract is easier.


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Re: First time mescaline preparation [Re: TzX]
    #23937975 - 12/18/16 12:58 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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The lack of effort you wish to include leads me to think your only option is to eat it raw, rather than messing with the powder.




Not sure I understand you. What would be the problem with making a powder out of it?

I do want to make an effort, I'm just a first timer for mescaline and don't want to complicate it more than necessary, especially because I'm not much of a chemist/kitchen prodigy, so getting a powder and eating it seems like an easy way to get it all in.

Even watching these simplified youtube videos on boiling it leave me with more questions.




I have read that consuing the powder is very unpleasant.  It is a lot of powder, and that dry powder will expand in your stomach.  I have no personal experience though.

Boiling is not difficult if you are around, you dont stand over it all day, just check it every 30 minutes and add water if it is getting low.  Eating it sounds gross, but would be the simplest method.


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Re: First time mescaline preparation [Re: mandrin13]
    #23938199 - 12/18/16 02:15 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Looks like I'm finally settling it then - boiling it is. Thanks for all the help!


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Re: First time mescaline preparation [Re: TzX]
    #23939354 - 12/18/16 10:09 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Good luck with your first brew! :thumbup:

Let us know how it turns out!

You might want to take more than 1 foot of bridge if you're going to brew. I think 1 foot is a good baseline if you're going to eat it. But if you're going to brew or extract you're probably going to need closer to 2 foot to get comparable effects IMO. Some of the magic is always lost when its processed.


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Re: First time mescaline preparation [Re: Grey Fox]
    #23942173 - 12/20/16 12:47 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I want to add that eating a plant raw isn't really a problem.

Preperation takes about one hour or two (instead of ten?), it's the quickest I know.


To "eat it raw" you despine the cutting, peel off the waxy skin, and seperate the dark green flesh from the white core.
The green flesh is then bleded/purreed with half a cup of water to a green, slimy mass, that's it.

You have to drink maybe four or five cups of liquid instead of one, but you can be sure to have no loss of actives at all!

The taste is bad for sure, but any concentrated boil tastes even worse.

I never got sick or nauseous from eating a cactus raw. Eating concentrated tar or tea made my stomache hurt all the time.

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Re: First time mescaline preparation [Re: Pandemoon]
    #23942402 - 12/20/16 04:11 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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I want to add that eating a plant raw isn't really a problem.

Preperation takes about one hour or two (instead of ten?), it's the quickest I know.


To "eat it raw" you despine the cutting, peel off the waxy skin, and seperate the dark green flesh from the white core.
The green flesh is then bleded/purreed with half a cup of water to a green, slimy mass, that's it.

You have to drink maybe four or five cups of liquid instead of one, but you can be sure to have no loss of actives at all!

The taste is bad for sure, but any concentrated boil tastes even worse.

I never got sick or nauseous from eating a cactus raw. Eating concentrated tar or tea made my stomache hurt all the time.

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*sigh* lol

Thanks for the reply.

So you would discard the core. Am I going to lose a lot of psychoactive substance like this?

From here

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A study of trichocereus terscheckii found that the alkaloid concentration on a weight basis was strongest in the outer green tissue, however the same study found that despite having less alkaloids per weight the core tissues contained the majority of the alkaloids. People who throw away cores are throwing away something like 2/3 of their alkaloids.






Drinking this slimy mass, would I have to suppress my gag reflex? Is it disgusting, apart from the taste?

I'm sorry to hear about what's happening in Germany.

EDIT: disregard, all reports say eating the blended mass is pretty disgusting.


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Re: First time mescaline preparation [Re: TzX]
    #23942503 - 12/20/16 06:47 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Actives are found in lower concentrations in the white flesh and core... however they are still present.  A quality, thick 1 foot cutting of bridge has enough alkaloids in it to achieve blast off for sure, but that includes what's in the white flesh and core.  If you're going to just use the green flesh you're going to need more cactus for the same effect.  Anytime you remove any part of the cactus other than the spines and waxy skin you are losing alkaloids.  That includes straining or discarding any solids as part of the brewing or extraction process.  Why do you think these guys are doing multiple pulls on the same material?  Because they are trying to get the most that they can from the solid material before discarding it... but they never get it all.  You also have to wonder to what extent actives have been degraded by all of the processing.


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Re: First time mescaline preparation [Re: Grey Fox]
    #23942515 - 12/20/16 06:54 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Cactus is the most disgusting thing I've ever tried.  It made me like foods that I previously found unappealing.


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Re: First time mescaline preparation [Re: pinedownpioneer]
    #23942527 - 12/20/16 07:02 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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