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First time mescaline preparation
    #23921754 - 12/13/16 06:09 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Hey all,

I have tried psychedelics in the past, but want to do mescaline for the first time now. I will go with San Pedro (Echinopsis/Trichocereus pachanoi).

More specifically, I want to try about 300 mg of mescaline, which supposedly guarantees a moderate to strong trip, lasting 6-8 hours.

Dosage
Here's my preliminary calculation. On this site I read that 400g of fresh cactus contains about 480 mg of mescaline.

I need about 300 mg of mescaline; I will lose some of that in preparation.

-If 0.05% of weight of fresh cactus is mescaline: I need 600g of fresh cactus for 300mg of mescaline.

-If 0.12% of weight of fresh cactus is mescaline: I need 250g of fresh cactus for 300mg of mescaline

For a first time, I will aim to prepare 300-350 grams of fresh cactus. Does that seem like a reasonable calculation to you?


Preparation
I want the simplest method of preparation possible. No cooking, since that supposedly requires me to stay around the pot for hours on end, stirring.

I found this. Does that seem like a good method to you?

Step 4: am I understanding right that peeling the cactus before cutting and blending it is not recommended? (ie: Do I blend it peel and all?)

Step 7: could I simply sift the blended product through a sieve?

Thanks for your help!


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Re: First time mescaline preparation [Re: TzX]
    #23921838 - 12/13/16 07:36 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Step 4 is kind of confusing. Lets break it down.

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Using a carrot peeler or a small knife, peel the "green skin" off. Try to remove as little of the flesh as possible.

(Erowid Note) The alkaloids in cacti are concentrated toward the outermost part of the plant with the lowest concentration in the core.
There is a "waxy skin over the green layer" in the cactus which is often removed
The "green skin" is not normally peeled off because this results in lost alkaloids.

Basically Erowid added a note to clarify that people shouldnt remove the entire green skin of the cacti, They should only remove the thin waxy layer on the outside.

In my opinion it wouldnt hurt to just skip step 4 entirely and that is what I would probably do if it was me.


As for step 7
Sifting it through a sieve would be impossible as it will be a wet goopy mess.
What I did when I cooked cacti for tea was put it all in a sock and squeeze it through the sock. It worked very well.


I would like to see how this method works for you man give it a shot and good luck!


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Re: First time mescaline preparation [Re: MollyLucyMaryJane]
    #23921914 - 12/13/16 08:25 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Hey,

Thank you for the reply. Preparing it seems actually managable now. I will try it in a few months, probably, and maybe I'll do a write-up then.

Anyone have any advice on the dosage? Getting a clear picture of how much cactus I need for what level of effects seems very difficult. Especially because you buy these cacti based on their length, rather than weight, and 2 cacti with same weight might still have a different mescalin content. Any advice there? I'm looking for that moderate dose.


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Re: First time mescaline preparation [Re: MollyLucyMaryJane]
    #23922101 - 12/13/16 10:05 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

MollyLucyMaryJane said:

As for step 7
Sifting it through a sieve would be impossible as it will be a wet goopy mess.
What I did when I cooked cacti for tea was put it all in a sock and squeeze it through the sock. It worked very well.


I would like to see how this method works for you man give it a shot and good luck!




The sock method just replaced the T-shirt bro that's genius. When I do cactus I don't think its as important to peel the waxy layer either. Its a little easier to digest without it but its hard as hell to peel. You could put it in a crock pot? I did that for a few hours then put it through a T-shirt and boiled it on high till it was small enough to drink. Went out and left the crock pot for about 6 hours it was fine.

You could always eat it. That cactus tastes gross tho man ive tried 50 something different disgusting tasting psychedelics and mescaline is one of the top 2 or 3 worst tasting ones (in my opinion) try it with ice cream if you do eat it.  My friend did that and said it masked the taste a bit


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Re: First time mescaline preparation [Re: Mike4aco]
    #23924831 - 12/14/16 01:28 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I'm thinking about switching to Trichocereus bridgesii (now Echinopsis lageniformis). Supposedly, it provides for less possibility of underwhelming experiences/duds. Any thoughts there?

About the dose: would one foot of this be a good shot at getting that moderate to strong dose?

Thank you


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Re: First time mescaline preparation [Re: TzX]
    #23924966 - 12/14/16 04:52 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

a foot in most cases will be underwhelming
try a foot and a half, mescalin is slightly forgiving


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Re: First time mescaline preparation [Re: ergoticmandala]
    #23925335 - 12/14/16 09:23 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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ergoticmandala said:
a foot in most cases will be underwhelming
try a foot and a half, mescalin is slightly forgiving




Thanks. Can anyone confirm a foot of bridgesii will likely not be enough for a moderate to strong dose?

Gotta admit, the fact that people can't dose cactus accurately and the conflicting posts on what should be enough, is something of a turnoff :frown:

Thanks for all the help!


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Re: First time mescaline preparation [Re: TzX]
    #23925764 - 12/14/16 12:05 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Ive had a couple friends try 12 inches of bridgesii and said it didn't really do much. If syzergicsoul is still around and posting ask him of his dud attempts to get an idea of what he did and what to do or not to do


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Re: First time mescaline preparation [Re: Mike4aco] * 1
    #23925917 - 12/14/16 01:01 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

With cactus there is a lot of variabilty between species and individual plants. Bridgesii is definitely the most consistent. It is very important to get high quality cuttings to work with. You're looking for older, thicker growth from a plant with good genetics. If you have access to that then 12 inches of bridgesii is definitely adequate.

Another problem that people run into is that they fail to get all of the alkaloids from the cutting. This happens when a brew or extraction is not petformed perfectly, or when any of the solid material is discarded. If you have access to a high quality 12 inch cutting of bridgesii and you dont have a weak stomach then the best option by far is to just eat the cutting. It takes about an hour. It is not fun, but it is not horrific either. It is what it is, and the results are consistently very good.

Best method I know of is: 1) despine the cutting, 2) cut it into manageable sized pieces, 3) peel all of the scotchtape-like skin off while leaving all of the dark green flesh intact on the cutting, and 4) eat all of the cactus, core and all. It really helps to have ice cold lemonade to chase the flavor.

Best luck with whatever you decide to do. IMO this is a very accessible experience that a lot of people muck up because either they are using low quality cactus or they are over thinking how to consume it.


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Re: First time mescaline preparation [Re: Grey Fox]
    #23928328 - 12/15/16 03:32 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Thanks for the help.

I'm not going to eat it; it seems like a big, uncomfortaable ordeal.

Edit: found another method that sounds doable.

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Take your cactus, grab your knife, begin; de-spine, peel, cut into small chunks (Billy Smarts cut inch thick stars from his pedro), dry (on a wire rack with the aid of a fan, or in the oven at lowest setting), once dry pulverize (Billy uses a coffee grinder), once pulverized encapsulate (Billy uses a Cap Em Quick Kit, size 00, though size 000 would be better) once encapsulated swallow, (Billy swallows with cranberry and grapefruit juice in hope of potentiating effects) then sit back and enjoy.




Does the cactus lose a lot of its volume when it's dried, so that it becomes manageable to grind? Any thoughts on this technique?


Edited by TzX (12/15/16 03:49 AM)


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Re: First time mescaline preparation [Re: TzX]
    #23928517 - 12/15/16 07:35 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I don't know anything about that method but best luck to you with it if that's the way you choose to go. I just really hope we don't get another thread in a couple of months about another failed attempt at San Pedro. Seems that threads like that have been piling up in the Psychedelic Experience.


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Re: First time mescaline preparation [Re: Grey Fox]
    #23928629 - 12/15/16 08:45 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Just do an extract then you can precisely measure dose.  If you have the supplies/equipment you can isolate other alkaloids. Basic chemistry.


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Re: First time mescaline preparation [Re: pinedownpioneer]
    #23928899 - 12/15/16 10:49 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Yes, but I have only minimal equipment, and I'm not really prepared (or capable, really) to learn chemistry beyond boiling, potentially, if necessary.

I think I'm going to settle on this seemingly easy and effective method. I'll keep you guys up to date when I do it.


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Re: First time mescaline preparation [Re: TzX]
    #23929330 - 12/15/16 01:04 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Thanks for sharing that link TzX. Its interesting to learn the different ways that people use the cactus. I notice that post is from 5 years ago. I'm wondering if Asante still does it that way? What I'm noticing about that method is that they are losing material (and therefore alkaloids) by straining while at the same time increasing the overall volume of what has to be consumed by adding equal parts liquid to cactus.


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Re: First time mescaline preparation [Re: Grey Fox]
    #23929359 - 12/15/16 01:15 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Grey Fox said:
Thanks for sharing that link TzX. Its interesting to learn the different ways that people use the cactus. I notice that post is from 5 years ago. I'm wondering if Asante still does it that way? What I'm noticing about that method is that they are losing material (and therefore alkaloids) by straining while at the same time increasing the overall volume of what has to be consumed by adding equal parts liquid to cactus.




Hmmm, good point... I'm gonna send him a pm and see if he has gotten any new insights since then.


Edited by TzX (12/15/16 01:24 PM)


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Re: First time mescaline preparation [Re: TzX]
    #23929634 - 12/15/16 02:44 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Cool. That's a good idea. I still think eating it is the way to go but I wish you the best with whichever method you choose.


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Re: First time mescaline preparation [Re: Grey Fox]
    #23931484 - 12/16/16 03:39 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Expect the worst and hope for the best! 2Ft of rs0004+ an undecided quantity of bridgesii.. Four winds? Med man? Lumberjack? I haven't decided.. Originally planned to extract but with my last d.limo producing a 12 hour effect switching between Sedating and stimulating with just a hint of mesc, Ide much rather play it safe and get my fix. Extraction was with dried torch chips.. Supposedly..


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Re: First time mescaline preparation [Re: nolongrlurkin]
    #23932597 - 12/16/16 02:12 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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nolongrlurkin said:
Expect the worst and hope for the best! 2Ft of rs0004+ an undecided quantity of bridgesii.. Four winds? Med man? Lumberjack? I haven't decided.. Originally planned to extract but with my last d.limo producing a 12 hour effect switching between Sedating and stimulating with just a hint of mesc, Ide much rather play it safe and get my fix. Extraction was with dried torch chips.. Supposedly..





Nice cuttings there nolongrlurkin.


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Re: First time mescaline preparation [Re: Grey Fox]
    #23932758 - 12/16/16 03:17 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

If you are a bit timid of messing with chemicals as you indicate, you should check out the D-Limonene tek, which is food safe.  You will be left with a tar which you can cap, a bit less pure, though that also means it includes all of the alkoloids that create the experience..just depends what you are looking for. 

It will take you about 30 minutes each day if you let each pull sit for 24 hrs...so its not awful but it does take time between the process and cleanup.


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Re: First time mescaline preparation [Re: mandrin13]
    #23933743 - 12/16/16 09:19 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I can not say enough good things about making cactus tea. Reducing it to a small amount of tea and putting it into a glass baking dish to evaporate into a tar. Flour works good for the tar sticking to stuff as does some time in the fridge/freezer. Just roll the tar into little balls and swallow like pills


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