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Trumps Cabinet pick - Absolutely terrifying
#23920880 - 12/12/16 08:13 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Ahhh, I'll repost this later. The color code thing messed up for this post.
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Re: Trumps Cabinet pick - Absolutely terrifying [Re: Kenneth]
#23921729 - 12/13/16 05:38 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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A bunch of people with anti establishment views with the agencies they will run. People with zero experience in everything other than big buisness.
Gonna be a wild ride for sure.
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Re: Trumps Cabinet pick - Absolutely terrifying [Re: Morel Guy]
#23922401 - 12/13/16 11:44 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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A lot of these agencies have been running roughshod over presidents for decades, it's good to see some change and push back against unelected bureaucrats.
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Re: Trumps Cabinet pick - Absolutely terrifying [Re: hostileuniverse] 1
#23922413 - 12/13/16 11:47 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Lol did you see the EPA pick?
Some seriously bad choices.
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Re: Trumps Cabinet pick - Absolutely terrifying [Re: Morel Guy]
#23922431 - 12/13/16 11:53 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Morel Guy said: Lol did you see the EPA pick?
Yes I did, sounds like a good choice
What are you so afraid of?
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Re: Trumps Cabinet pick - Absolutely terrifying [Re: hostileuniverse] 2
#23922507 - 12/13/16 12:30 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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"I don't need daily Intel briefings I'm like a smart person " Trump What really sad about this is that he is a fucking public servant , bitch needs to take his sorry fat ass to work and pay attention to what is going on . I don't give a fuck how he feels about it .
So you say a billionaire that's sits on a golden toilet as he cries on Twitter like a little girl is going to appoint his rich buddies to fix the system that made them all rich so things will be better for workin folk like you and me huh ? Lol really ? Can't wait .
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#23922524 - 12/13/16 12:34 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Oh and this .
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Re: Trumps Cabinet pick - Absolutely terrifying [Re: psilynut]
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psilynut said: So you say a billionaire that's sits on a golden toilet as he cries on Twitter like a little girl is going to appoint his rich buddies to fix the system that made them all rich so things will be better for workin folk like you and me huh ? Lol really ? Can't wait .
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Re: Trumps Cabinet pick - Absolutely terrifying [Re: hostileuniverse] 1
#23922631 - 12/13/16 01:12 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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How's your colon smelling?
Pruit, how is he a good choice? It's an environmental disaster right in line with all Trump's decisions.
It's like Trump took the worst for each job and put them there.
Pruit is in support of pollution. That's not what the EPA is about. It's about regulation so we can all live on this planet.
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Re: Trumps Cabinet pick - Absolutely terrifying [Re: psilynut]
#23922730 - 12/13/16 01:40 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Pruit is in support of pollution
Can you link me that? I'm can't find him saying that anywhere 
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psilynut said: Oh and this .


Libs should love him for being a gay S&M kinda guy
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Re: Trumps Cabinet pick - Absolutely terrifying [Re: hostileuniverse]
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Re: Trumps Cabinet pick - Absolutely terrifying [Re: Morel Guy]
#23925993 - 12/14/16 01:19 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Morel Guy said: Google Pruit & clean water laws.
Nothing in that article supports your assertion
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Re: Trumps Cabinet pick - Absolutely terrifying [Re: hostileuniverse]
#23926419 - 12/14/16 03:03 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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hostileuniverse said:
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Morel Guy said: Google Pruit & clean water laws.
Nothing in that article supports your assertion
Then you are too far out in left field to set in the right direction. Another way of putting is how can you read and smell your colon?
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Re: Trumps Cabinet pick - Absolutely terrifying [Re: Morel Guy]
#23926467 - 12/14/16 03:16 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Morel Guy said:
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hostileuniverse said:
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Morel Guy said: Google Pruit & clean water laws.
Nothing in that article supports your assertion
Then you are too far out in left field to set in the right direction. Another way of putting is how can you read and smell your colon?
You lie and them tell me I have my head up my ass?
Sober up and try again
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Re: Trumps Cabinet pick - Absolutely terrifying [Re: hostileuniverse]
#23926519 - 12/14/16 03:28 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Sure thing king joker.
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#23927401 - 12/14/16 07:34 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Hostileuniverse, how can you have someones who not only believes in science but builds his repuation off of that denial. An EPA pick who works with the coal industry to "disprove" climate change is not a good pick at all, it is the byproduct of another foolish move by the American people that pushes the ever growing corporatist agenda. What do you think about Jeff sessions? Surely you don't resonate with that choice?
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Re: Trumps Cabinet pick - Absolutely terrifying [Re: Kenneth]
#23927465 - 12/14/16 07:49 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Kenneth said: Hostileuniverse, how can you have someones who not only believes in science but builds his repuation off of that denial. An EPA pick who works with the coal industry to "disprove" climate change is not a good pick at all, it is the byproduct of another foolish move by the American people that pushes the ever growing corporatist agenda. What do you think about Jeff sessions? Surely you don't resonate with that choice?
Your premise is false, the idea that killing our coal industry will "save the planet" is nonsense, it's an insult to intelligent people
Why is it that liberals have to "get their way" all the fucking time?
You people have run this country into the ground the last 8 years, it's about time your idiocy is stopped.
This isn't even partisan, Trump isn't some conservative icon, he's just a rational person thinking logically
***and it's about time we have someone like that as president
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Re: Trumps Cabinet pick - Absolutely terrifying [Re: hostileuniverse]
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You can blame China for cutting coal in the states not saving the planet. But it does raise the ph of rain to cut coal. This has an impact on our local health. Right now there are too many issues under addressed by anyone.
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Re: Trumps Cabinet pick - Absolutely terrifying [Re: hostileuniverse] 2
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This isn't a conservative vs liberal issue, this is a human issue. This is about the survival of our planet. How can you honestly prioritize the coal industry as more important than that? It doesn't even have to be the way you portray it, a massive loss of jobs and a hit to the economy. The key is to transfer the power to clean energy, not eradicate it. I myself find it frustrating that the argument against progress is always jobs. If we would transfer our political context to the past, people would be against evolved communication techniques as "it takes away the jobs of the post men". Not to mention that I even find it ironic, I believe its Trumps pick for labor that I'm talking about. You know, the wealthy businessman who spoke about how automated machinery are much better than human workers in an interview. Can you fill me in on how cutting carbon emissions to fight global warming is"an insult to intelligent people"? Just my two cents but I just get the vibe that you fall victim to cognitive dissonance and confirmation bias, it doesn't have to be that way.
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Re: Trumps Cabinet pick - Absolutely terrifying [Re: Kenneth]
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China is risking war to reduce their reliance on coal. Coal is choking them hardcore. at least pollution control with coal is more regulated in the states.
There is a coal plant not far from me, in the next city. There is more industry over there.
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Re: Trumps Cabinet pick - Absolutely terrifying [Re: Kenneth]
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Kenneth said: This isn't a conservative vs liberal issue, this is a human issue. This is about the survival of our planet. How can you honestly prioritize the coal industry as more important than that? It doesn't even have to be the way you portray it, a massive loss of jobs and a hit to the economy. The key is to transfer the power to clean energy, not eradicate it. I myself find it frustrating that the argument against progress is always jobs. If we would transfer our political context to the past, people would be against evolved communication techniques as "it takes away the jobs of the post men". Not to mention that I even find it ironic, I believe its Trumps pick for labor that I'm talking about. You know, the wealthy businessman who spoke about how automated machinery are much better than human workers in an interview. Can you fill me in on how cutting carbon emissions to fight global warming is"an insult to intelligent people"? Just my two cents but I just get the vibe that you fall victim to cognitive dissonance and confirmation bias, it doesn't have to be that way.
I never brought up jobs for one
For two, coal provides us with 40% of our energy, that's heat in the winter to keep people from freezing and A/C in summer to stave off heat stroke, FYI
Cutting our carbon emissions isn't going to do anything to fix global warming, even your climate hoaxers agree on that one. So why do it?
Our coal is clean, we are not China, we have pollution safeguards in place.
your green energies are out there to develop, once they are at the point of efficiency, they will replace the dreaded "outdated" energies
There is no need to cripple the economy or shut down industry in the name of hoaxes
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Re: Trumps Cabinet pick - Absolutely terrifying [Re: hostileuniverse]
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Biochar absorbs carbon. Sadly it's a fad and not cheap for mass application in commercial farming.
Cow farts also contribute to global warming. There are simply too many people living on very specific desires.
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I assumed that it was implied. For one, it is not completely just outlawing fossil fuels as you seem to put it. Instead, it is simply inhibiting it to a certain extent. Your argument seems to rest on the idea that fossil fuels are the only way which is false. Even if you discount such things as hydro power, solar power, wind power, and so on, you still have things such as bio fuels which cause less destruction. A great example of this would be hemp. Yes, it will still release carbon into the atmosphere but it is offset by hemp's efficiency at absorbing carbon not to mention the other benefits such as its ability for Phytoremediation. You say "clean coal", could you elaborate on that? It is not as if we just have magical coal that doesn't release carbon dioxide into the atmosphere. I find it unfortunate that you would call it a "hoax" considering the evidence there is for it. Surely you can explain why you think that through objective evidence and reasoning?
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Re: Trumps Cabinet pick - Absolutely terrifying [Re: Kenneth]
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The problem with coal is rich as fuck mineral owners that don't give two shits about miners.
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Re: Trumps Cabinet pick - Absolutely terrifying [Re: Kenneth]
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Morel Guy, I will look more into it but the Biochar thing seems controversial and I know practically nothing about it.
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Re: Trumps Cabinet pick - Absolutely terrifying [Re: Kenneth]
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I would disagree with that, I believe it's more than that.
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Re: Trumps Cabinet pick - Absolutely terrifying [Re: Kenneth]
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Kenneth said: I assumed that it was implied. For one, it is not completely just outlawing fossil fuels as you seem to put it. Instead, it is simply inhibiting it to a certain extent. Your argument seems to rest on the idea that fossil fuels are the only way which is false. Even if you discount such things as hydro power, solar power, wind power, and so on, you still have things such as bio fuels which cause less destruction. A great example of this would be hemp. Yes, it will still release carbon into the atmosphere but it is offset by hemp's efficiency at absorbing carbon not to mention the other benefits such as its ability for Phytoremediation. You say "clean coal", could you elaborate on that? It is not as if we just have magical coal that doesn't release carbon dioxide into the atmosphere. I find it unfortunate that you would call it a "hoax" considering the evidence there is for it. Surely you can explain why you think that through objective evidence and reasoning?
When have I ever said "fossil fuels are the only way"?
Not only have I never said that, I've championed alternatives to be developed,
What I don't condone it's letting people freeze in winter and die of heat in summer over a global hoaxing sham
Develop your alternatives, and when they are viable, we will use them, what's so controversial about that?
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Re: Trumps Cabinet pick - Absolutely terrifying [Re: Morel Guy]
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Morel Guy said: Biochar absorbs carbon. Sadly it's a fad and not cheap for mass application in commercial farming.
Cow farts also contribute to global warming. There are simply too many people living on very specific desires.
this is misinformation fed to the public by the fossil fuel industry.
Cows do release methane, which is a more effective greenhouse gas than CO2, but all in all, cattle are carbon neutral (maybe even a carbon sink) as long as we don't cut down forests to make grazing land for them. Every blade of grass is "built" from atmospheric carbon. One way or another, that grass will release it's carbon again. When a cow eats the grass, some of it becomes cow, some of it becomes shit, and some becomes gasses. New grass will grow, and remove more carbon from the atmosphere, but the lion's share of the eaten grass has now become meat, bones, and shit, which will break down relatively slowly, trapping carbon in the meantime. By contrast, burning coal releases fossil carbon that had been previously removed from the carbon cycle.
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Re: Trumps Cabinet pick - Absolutely terrifying [Re: ballsalsa]
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I think it's the gas they shit out. Interestingly enough there are huge bladders that can ferment cow waste and turn it into fuel gas. Not sure about cooking or hating the house with fermented cow waste? I am not either but perhaps a generator could be utilized. Grow some dope or something
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Re: Trumps Cabinet pick - Absolutely terrifying [Re: Morel Guy]
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Morel Guy said: I think it's the gas they shit out.
methane
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Interestingly enough there are huge bladders that can ferment cow waste and turn it into fuel gas. Not sure about cooking or hating the house with fermented cow waste? I am not either but perhaps a generator could be utilized. Grow some dope or something
Biogas digesters. The state of NY subsidized a bunch of them for dairy farmers. worked sweet. The farmers produce enough energy with the waste gasses(methane) to power their operations completely and sell enough back to the grid to help the state meet its renewable energy goals.
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Re: Trumps Cabinet pick - Absolutely terrifying [Re: ballsalsa]
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Sounds like Putin has been plugging Trump and hostileuniverse's boy pussy. Fags.
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Re: Trumps Cabinet pick - Absolutely terrifying [Re: hostileuniverse]
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hostileuniverse said: A lot of these agencies have been running roughshod over presidents for decades, it's good to see some change and push back against unelected bureaucrats.
+ 1
Also, as for OP description title "terrifying." Pepper your angus. You are in for a ride.
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Again, you say "hoax" yet you can't explain that. And as I stated, it is more about moving jobs rather than removing them as you claim. Develop my alternatives? How do you propose so? What exactly do you believe they need?
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Re: Trumps Cabinet pick - Absolutely terrifying [Re: finalexplosion]
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hostileuniverse said: A lot of these agencies have been running roughshod over presidents for decades, it's good to see some change and push back against unelected bureaucrats.
+ 1
Also, as for OP description title "terrifying." Pepper your angus. You are in for a ride.
You do not see this as terrifying? The regressive direction we are headed?
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Re: Trumps Cabinet pick - Absolutely terrifying [Re: Kenneth]
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Kenneth said: Again, you say "hoax" yet you can't explain that. And as I stated, it is more about moving jobs rather than removing them as you claim. Develop my alternatives? How do you propose so? What exactly do you believe they need?
There is no evidence man is changing the climate, even if we are, it's minuscule at best
There is also no evidence that we can reverse or even stop any of it, even your own climate scientists admit that
So develop your clean energy and when it is efficient and abundant, it will be the fuel of the future
Why is that so hard? If it's as easy as you claim, then do it already.
In the meantime, people shouldn't have to freeze in winter for you to "feel good" which is all banning fossil fuels would accomplish
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There is no evidence it is caused by man? Why is it that increased temperature change rate just happens to correlate with the progression of mans use of fossil fuels? And we just happen to have insane carbon dioxide levels after man has put forth things like the industrial revolution, within the context of us knowing that carbon dioxide has a greenhouse effect on the planet. Where do you get this "it is a hopeless cause" narrative from? "Even your scientists admit that" means nothing. Yet again, you ignore what I have been continually repeating. There is a difference between displacement and eradication. This "just a feel good cause" also means nothing as it is baseless.
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Re: Trumps Cabinet pick - Absolutely terrifying [Re: Kenneth]
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HU actually is being accurate in this thread, and contributing information for once -- i think i need a drink. 
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ballsalsa said:
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Morel Guy said: Biochar absorbs carbon. Sadly it's a fad and not cheap for mass application in commercial farming.
Cow farts also contribute to global warming. There are simply too many people living on very specific desires.
this is misinformation fed to the public by the fossil fuel industry.
Cows do release methane, which is a more effective greenhouse gas than CO2, but all in all, cattle are carbon neutral (maybe even a carbon sink) as long as we don't cut down forests to make grazing land for them. Every blade of grass is "built" from atmospheric carbon. One way or another, that grass will release it's carbon again. When a cow eats the grass, some of it becomes cow, some of it becomes shit, and some becomes gasses. New grass will grow, and remove more carbon from the atmosphere, but the lion's share of the eaten grass has now become meat, bones, and shit, which will break down relatively slowly, trapping carbon in the meantime. By contrast, burning coal releases fossil carbon that had been previously removed from the carbon cycle.
indeed.
coal is the best source of, and cleanest source, of energy, by the by, that is available right now. solar and wind should be invested in. natural sources of energy are good, and technology is improving exponentially to harness that energy. that being said, until more viable alternative technologies are improved and injected into the energy sector, coal is productive.
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I approach this from a slightly different angle. He's announced, I dunno, 15-20 cabinet-ish picks so far. Here's a sampling of how they break down.
1. Republican Hacks. Chief of Staff - Reince Priebus, head of the Republican National Committee. Attorney Gen. - Jeff Sessions, AL Congressman. Energy - Rick Perry, TX Gov. HHS - Tom Price, GA Congressman. Transportation - Elaine Chao, Mrs. Mitch McConnell. U.N. - Nikki Haley, S.C. Gov. Education - Betsy DeVos, Mich. Republican Party. CIA - Mike Pompeo, KS Congressman. EPA - Scott Pruitt, OK Attorney General.
2. Military Dudes. Homeland Security - Gen. John Kelly. Defense - Gen. James Mattis. Interior - Ryan Zinke, former SEAL. NSA - Lt. Gen. Michael Flynn.
3. Big Business Assholes. State - Rex Tillerson, CEO Exxon-Mobile. Treasury - Steve Mnuchin - Goldman Sachs executive. Commerce - Wilbur Ross, billionaire poppin bottles, yo.
You'll note the Republican Hacks are well represented. Trump has been co-opted by the Republican Party. They may suck (they do) but this makes nonsense of the argument he's appointing political novices. It's heavily weighted towards people deeply entrenched in government - they just don't favor the policies the losing side prefers.
The game was fixed before we bought our tickets.
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Re: Trumps Cabinet pick - Absolutely terrifying [Re: Bloto]
#23934548 - 12/17/16 05:43 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Bloto said: I approach this from a slightly different angle. He's announced, I dunno, 15-20 cabinet-ish picks so far. Here's a sampling of how they break down.
1. Republican Hacks. Chief of Staff - Reince Priebus, head of the Republican National Committee. Attorney Gen. - Jeff Sessions, AL Congressman. Energy - Rick Perry, TX Gov. HHS - Tom Price, GA Congressman. Transportation - Elaine Chao, Mrs. Mitch McConnell. U.N. - Nikki Haley, S.C. Gov. Education - Betsy DeVos, Mich. Republican Party. CIA - Mike Pompeo, KS Congressman. EPA - Scott Pruitt, OK Attorney General.
2. Military Dudes. Homeland Security - Gen. John Kelly. Defense - Gen. James Mattis. Interior - Ryan Zinke, former SEAL. NSA - Lt. Gen. Michael Flynn.
3. Big Business Assholes. State - Rex Tillerson, CEO Exxon-Mobile. Treasury - Steve Mnuchin - Goldman Sachs executive. Commerce - Wilbur Ross, billionaire poppin bottles, yo.
You'll note the Republican Hacks are well represented. Trump has been co-opted by the Republican Party. They may suck (they do) but this makes nonsense of the argument he's appointing political novices. It's heavily weighted towards people deeply entrenched in government - they just don't favor the policies the losing side prefers.
The game was fixed before we bought our tickets.
Who should a president put in charge of things like banks, military, etc? People that KNOW those sectors and are successful in them, or straight out political hacks that know nothing about their intended role?
It's ok to put bankers in charge of banking, military in charge of security, etc. It's not OK to let them screw the people. SO until we see what policies they implement, its a moot point. Since they are appointees, they have to do the Presidents bidding.
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Re: Trumps Cabinet pick - Absolutely terrifying [Re: starfire_xes]
#23934580 - 12/17/16 06:08 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Trump ran on being anti-establishment, ie, taking money out of politics. if he doesn't do that, he's a fraudulent shiteating fuck, whom might drive business; the little guy will get a leg-up above those whom go to school...you know for engineering, medicine, psychology, my friend. you know...those things that help construct the world around us.
and instead, he'll be making the big big bucks, and the little people will feel like they're being let in on a big secret because they had an infinitesimal drop in taxes- i even doubt entrepenuers are going to make any sort of 'big shout', because they won't be able to compete with big business, just the same as usual. so basically Make America Change Again, is the notion that i see in it's future. the usual tit-for-tat. if "great" is defined by the economy faulting one person over another, then nothing's really been made different, it's just the usual shift/change of a democracy- which i keep hearing is terrible, and a representative republic is the greatest...that'd be true if only democracy wasn't directly integrated into the shit-show. take the pool, drain the pool, place the pool somewhere else, dynamics shift, people play up their ideology, next round in a few years.
the best thing Trump can do, in my estimation, is trump (oh yeah) the fiat currency, and go back to the gold standard...if at the very least, just to shut people up, when inevitably it leads to war with other nations, because, you know, they ain't American. just don't come here to Canada, we've got gold, but the UK will nuke you if you try and take any of it.
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Re: Trumps Cabinet pick - Absolutely terrifying [Re: akira_akuma]
#23934777 - 12/17/16 08:28 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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akira_akuma said: Trump ran on being anti-establishment, ie, taking money out of politics. if he doesn't do that, he's a fraudulent shiteating fuck, whom might drive business; the little guy will get a leg-up above those whom go to school...you know for engineering, medicine, psychology, my friend. you know...those things that help construct the world around us.
and instead, he'll be making the big big bucks, and the little people will feel like they're being let in on a big secret because they had an infinitesimal drop in taxes- i even doubt entrepenuers are going to make any sort of 'big shout', because they won't be able to compete with big business, just the same as usual. so basically Make America Change Again, is the notion that i see in it's future. the usual tit-for-tat. if "great" is defined by the economy faulting one person over another, then nothing's really been made different, it's just the usual shift/change of a democracy- which i keep hearing is terrible, and a representative republic is the greatest...that'd be true if only democracy wasn't directly integrated into the shit-show. take the pool, drain the pool, place the pool somewhere else, dynamics shift, people play up their ideology, next round in a few years.
the best thing Trump can do, in my estimation, is trump (oh yeah) the fiat currency, and go back to the gold standard...if at the very least, just to shut people up, when inevitably it leads to war with other nations, because, you know, they ain't American. just don't come here to Canada, we've got gold, but the UK will nuke you if you try and take any of it.
"go back to the gold standard"
It would be nice for sure, but I don't think the people in power would approve of that policy. If he tries it without their approval = .
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Re: Trumps Cabinet pick - Absolutely terrifying [Re: qman]
#23934808 - 12/17/16 08:52 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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well, you'd still need to go to war with other nations, in order to supply the demand for gold, Mr. Civic Nationalist.
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Re: Trumps Cabinet pick - Absolutely terrifying [Re: akira_akuma]
#23934972 - 12/17/16 10:14 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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akira_akuma said: well, you'd still need to go to war with other nations, in order to supply the demand for gold, Mr. Civic Nationalist.
Stronger demand equals higher prices, why does the law of supply and demand become such a difficult concept for people in this forum?
BTW, the US already has over 8,000 tons of gold.
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Re: Trumps Cabinet pick - Absolutely terrifying [Re: qman]
#23935013 - 12/17/16 10:31 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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higher prices equals eventual crash. it's a provisional notion, at best- but i know you think it'd be just a great thing twenty-thirty years down the line. this is where the war economy comes into play. have another cold war, that'd be great. fear of nuclear annihilation also raises demand, which will also raise prises, and you can trade in weapons, maybe fund another coup again.
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Re: Trumps Cabinet pick - Absolutely terrifying [Re: akira_akuma]
#23935135 - 12/17/16 11:19 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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akira_akuma said: higher prices equals eventual crash. it's a provisional notion, at best- but i know you think it'd be just a great thing twenty-thirty years down the line. this is where the war economy comes into play. have another cold war, that'd be great. fear of nuclear annihilation also raises demand, which will also raise prises, and you can trade in weapons, maybe fund another coup again.
"higher prices equals eventual crash"
Crash of what? Higher prices would indicate dollar devaluation, that might be a good thing.
"this is where the war economy comes into play"
No it doesn't, you don't know what you're talking about.
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Re: Trumps Cabinet pick - Absolutely terrifying [Re: qman]
#23935196 - 12/17/16 11:55 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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crash of the gold market, duh. if inflation can't keep up with demand, market crash. like the great depression.
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No it doesn't, you don't know what you're talking about.
no, you don't know what you're talking about.
to keep inflation from rising, a war economy is great.
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Re: Trumps Cabinet pick - Absolutely terrifying [Re: akira_akuma]
#23935209 - 12/17/16 12:00 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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akira_akuma said: crash of the gold market, duh. if inflation can't keep up with demand, market crash. like the great depression.
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No it doesn't, you don't know what you're talking about.
no, you don't know what you're talking about.
to keep inflation from rising, a war economy is great.
"crash of the gold market"
I don't know what you're referring to here. 
"if inflation can't keep up with demand, market crash"
I don't know what you're referring to here. 
"to keep inflation from rising, a war economy is great"
I don't know what you're referring to here.
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Re: Trumps Cabinet pick - Absolutely terrifying [Re: qman]
#23935828 - 12/17/16 04:10 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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ok.
if people can't afford gold, then gold will not be bought. this causes a crash. does that help you?
https://monetary-metals.com/should-the-gold-price-keep-up-with-inflation/
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Re: Trumps Cabinet pick - Absolutely terrifying [Re: akira_akuma]
#23935840 - 12/17/16 04:14 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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I wonder where Hussein and Gadafi's gold went? (just to name 2)
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Re: Trumps Cabinet pick - Absolutely terrifying [Re: The Blind Ass]
#23935850 - 12/17/16 04:17 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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it was for the economy. it's ok, we're economists, we know what we're doing.
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Re: Trumps Cabinet pick - Absolutely terrifying [Re: akira_akuma]
#23936189 - 12/17/16 06:42 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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akira_akuma said: ok.
if people can't afford gold, then gold will not be bought. this causes a crash. does that help you?
https://monetary-metals.com/should-the-gold-price-keep-up-with-inflation/
The gold standard doesn't mean people have to buy gold
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Re: Trumps Cabinet pick - Absolutely terrifying [Re: hostileuniverse]
#23936198 - 12/17/16 06:44 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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no, just that the monetary system is based on the sale of gold.
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Re: Trumps Cabinet pick - Absolutely terrifying [Re: akira_akuma]
#23936212 - 12/17/16 06:50 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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akira_akuma said: no, just that the monetary system is based on the sale of gold.
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Your assumption is flawed, it's not based on the sale of gold
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#23936224 - 12/17/16 06:55 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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akira_akuma said: no, just that the monetary system is based on the sale of gold.
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No, it's based on the production of gold, which adds 2% per year of the total amount of gold that currently exists.
A gold standard brings descipline into the monetary system, it's not a perfect system but it's better for the average person more so than the current fiat money system.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-10-05/a-record-152-trillion-in-global-debt-unnerves-imf-officials
Gold might have to come to the rescue to solve this little problem.
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Re: Trumps Cabinet pick - Absolutely terrifying [Re: qman]
#23936250 - 12/17/16 07:10 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Absolutely, this is why we went off the gold standard in the first place, so they didn't have to back up their currency/debt
It's truly disgusting what our leaders have done
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Re: Trumps Cabinet pick - Absolutely terrifying [Re: qman]
#23936255 - 12/17/16 07:12 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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No gold standard is not based on production of gold but the nation holding of gold. It would also be illegal to possess gold other than jewelry. Just as it used to be. So no more holding pure gold privetly.
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Re: Trumps Cabinet pick - Absolutely terrifying [Re: Morel Guy]
#23936261 - 12/17/16 07:16 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Morel Guy said: No gold standard is not based on production of gold but the nation holding of gold. It would also be illegal to possess gold other than jewelry. Just as it used to be. So no more holding pure gold privetly.
Only if the govt outlawed it again,
there is no reason to do that, but I'm sure a democrat would,
***just like last time
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Re: Trumps Cabinet pick - Absolutely terrifying [Re: hostileuniverse]
#23936274 - 12/17/16 07:23 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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They have to outlaw private possession or govt gold holdings are lower. They must control private gold circulation.
Plus gold is highly fluid and untraceable currency for criminals. Can be smelted into any size and smelted again any time you chose.
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#23936279 - 12/17/16 07:24 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Morel Guy said: No gold standard is not based on production of gold but the nation holding of gold. It would also be illegal to possess gold other than jewelry. Just as it used to be. So no more holding pure gold privetly.
Yes, it is based on the nation holding the gold, but the production is key because there's no risk of the current gold being diluted with new supply.
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Re: Trumps Cabinet pick - Absolutely terrifying [Re: qman]
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Morel Guy said: No gold standard is not based on production of gold but the nation holding of gold. It would also be illegal to possess gold other than jewelry. Just as it used to be. So no more holding pure gold privetly.
Yes, it is based on the nation holding the gold, but the production is key because there's no risk of the current gold being diluted with new supply.
Your gonna have to explain that more. Cause that appears to counter what your saying.
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Re: Trumps Cabinet pick - Absolutely terrifying [Re: Morel Guy]
#23936307 - 12/17/16 07:38 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Gold is still sensitive to currency manipluation if on the gold standard. Russia is buying lot's of gold and could dump a bunch of manipulate the standard. God knows how much undiscovered gold is in Russia.
They think there is gold miles down in bedrock in Ohio. I guess it's like oil or other minerals. Depends on market value to what is worth the cost of getting to.
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Re: Trumps Cabinet pick - Absolutely terrifying [Re: hostileuniverse]
#23936331 - 12/17/16 07:49 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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akira_akuma said: no, just that the monetary system is based on the sale of gold.
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No, it's based on the production of gold, which adds 2% per year of the total amount of gold that currently exists.
A gold standard brings descipline into the monetary system, it's not a perfect system but it's better for the average person more so than the current fiat money system.
sure, that's where we agree...(though it's temporary a fix) but to correct your foolish assertion that the monetary system we're discussing is not based on the sale of gold...markets are based on saleable commodities...gold is a commodity...hence the market will be based on the sale of that commodity; that, along with it's "production" (ie, it's extraction- you don't produce gold, unless you want a fiat system of currency to fund the massive undertaking, that is) --that is to say, you "produce" gold, to put into the market, as currency.
especially if you mint gold, you'll definitely need to maintain a low inflation. if it's simply gold-backed paper, the notion still stands- you need to be able to make sales in the marketplace to make currency valuable...and meaningful.
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akira_akuma said: no, just that the monetary system is based on the sale of gold.
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hostileuniverse said: Absolutely, this is why we went off the gold standard in the first place, so they didn't have to back up their currency/debt
It's truly disgusting what our leaders have done
           
they did it because it was a provision to impart health on a failing system of currency.
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Morel Guy said: No gold standard is not based on production of gold but the nation holding of gold. It would also be illegal to possess gold other than jewelry. Just as it used to be. So no more holding pure gold privetly.
Only if the govt outlawed it again,
there is no reason to do that, but I'm sure a democrat would,
***just like last time
you have no clue how much gold people you admire would hoard from you if the case was that you could hold onto gold bullion blocks...and you want a god standard currency...lol...fuck me. laughable.
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Morel Guy said: No gold standard is not based on production of gold but the nation holding of gold. It would also be illegal to possess gold other than jewelry. Just as it used to be. So no more holding pure gold privetly.
Yes, it is based on the nation holding the gold, but the production is key because there's no risk of the current gold being diluted with new supply.
Your gonna have to explain that more. Cause that appears to counter what your saying.
Gold is difficult to find and mine, there's little risk of creating too much of it in a short period of time, therefore inflation should remain under control.
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Re: Trumps Cabinet pick - Absolutely terrifying [Re: qman]
#23936399 - 12/17/16 08:13 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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On he gold standard inflation wouldn't matter with how much is mined. It would be harder currency. But it could still be manipulated. Although somewhat difficult to manipulate.
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Re: Trumps Cabinet pick - Absolutely terrifying [Re: qman]
#23937150 - 12/18/16 03:02 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Seriously? There's people out there arguing for a gold standard? I just started a new thread to discuss this further.
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Our money shouldn't be based on anything, and govt should be able to print endlessly
***just think about that
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