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Re: Trumps Cabinet pick - Absolutely terrifying [Re: Kenneth]
#23927558 - 12/14/16 08:26 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Kenneth said: This isn't a conservative vs liberal issue, this is a human issue. This is about the survival of our planet. How can you honestly prioritize the coal industry as more important than that? It doesn't even have to be the way you portray it, a massive loss of jobs and a hit to the economy. The key is to transfer the power to clean energy, not eradicate it. I myself find it frustrating that the argument against progress is always jobs. If we would transfer our political context to the past, people would be against evolved communication techniques as "it takes away the jobs of the post men". Not to mention that I even find it ironic, I believe its Trumps pick for labor that I'm talking about. You know, the wealthy businessman who spoke about how automated machinery are much better than human workers in an interview. Can you fill me in on how cutting carbon emissions to fight global warming is"an insult to intelligent people"? Just my two cents but I just get the vibe that you fall victim to cognitive dissonance and confirmation bias, it doesn't have to be that way.
I never brought up jobs for one
For two, coal provides us with 40% of our energy, that's heat in the winter to keep people from freezing and A/C in summer to stave off heat stroke, FYI
Cutting our carbon emissions isn't going to do anything to fix global warming, even your climate hoaxers agree on that one. So why do it?
Our coal is clean, we are not China, we have pollution safeguards in place.
your green energies are out there to develop, once they are at the point of efficiency, they will replace the dreaded "outdated" energies
There is no need to cripple the economy or shut down industry in the name of hoaxes
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Re: Trumps Cabinet pick - Absolutely terrifying [Re: hostileuniverse]
#23927562 - 12/14/16 08:28 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Biochar absorbs carbon. Sadly it's a fad and not cheap for mass application in commercial farming.
Cow farts also contribute to global warming. There are simply too many people living on very specific desires.
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Re: Trumps Cabinet pick - Absolutely terrifying [Re: hostileuniverse] 1
#23927791 - 12/14/16 09:45 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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I assumed that it was implied. For one, it is not completely just outlawing fossil fuels as you seem to put it. Instead, it is simply inhibiting it to a certain extent. Your argument seems to rest on the idea that fossil fuels are the only way which is false. Even if you discount such things as hydro power, solar power, wind power, and so on, you still have things such as bio fuels which cause less destruction. A great example of this would be hemp. Yes, it will still release carbon into the atmosphere but it is offset by hemp's efficiency at absorbing carbon not to mention the other benefits such as its ability for Phytoremediation. You say "clean coal", could you elaborate on that? It is not as if we just have magical coal that doesn't release carbon dioxide into the atmosphere. I find it unfortunate that you would call it a "hoax" considering the evidence there is for it. Surely you can explain why you think that through objective evidence and reasoning?
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Re: Trumps Cabinet pick - Absolutely terrifying [Re: Kenneth]
#23927801 - 12/14/16 09:47 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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The problem with coal is rich as fuck mineral owners that don't give two shits about miners.
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Re: Trumps Cabinet pick - Absolutely terrifying [Re: Kenneth]
#23927811 - 12/14/16 09:49 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Morel Guy, I will look more into it but the Biochar thing seems controversial and I know practically nothing about it.
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Re: Trumps Cabinet pick - Absolutely terrifying [Re: Kenneth]
#23927813 - 12/14/16 09:50 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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I would disagree with that, I believe it's more than that.
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Re: Trumps Cabinet pick - Absolutely terrifying [Re: Kenneth]
#23928612 - 12/15/16 08:38 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Kenneth said: I assumed that it was implied. For one, it is not completely just outlawing fossil fuels as you seem to put it. Instead, it is simply inhibiting it to a certain extent. Your argument seems to rest on the idea that fossil fuels are the only way which is false. Even if you discount such things as hydro power, solar power, wind power, and so on, you still have things such as bio fuels which cause less destruction. A great example of this would be hemp. Yes, it will still release carbon into the atmosphere but it is offset by hemp's efficiency at absorbing carbon not to mention the other benefits such as its ability for Phytoremediation. You say "clean coal", could you elaborate on that? It is not as if we just have magical coal that doesn't release carbon dioxide into the atmosphere. I find it unfortunate that you would call it a "hoax" considering the evidence there is for it. Surely you can explain why you think that through objective evidence and reasoning?
When have I ever said "fossil fuels are the only way"?
Not only have I never said that, I've championed alternatives to be developed,
What I don't condone it's letting people freeze in winter and die of heat in summer over a global hoaxing sham
Develop your alternatives, and when they are viable, we will use them, what's so controversial about that?
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Re: Trumps Cabinet pick - Absolutely terrifying [Re: Morel Guy]
#23928697 - 12/15/16 09:23 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Morel Guy said: Biochar absorbs carbon. Sadly it's a fad and not cheap for mass application in commercial farming.
Cow farts also contribute to global warming. There are simply too many people living on very specific desires.
this is misinformation fed to the public by the fossil fuel industry.
Cows do release methane, which is a more effective greenhouse gas than CO2, but all in all, cattle are carbon neutral (maybe even a carbon sink) as long as we don't cut down forests to make grazing land for them. Every blade of grass is "built" from atmospheric carbon. One way or another, that grass will release it's carbon again. When a cow eats the grass, some of it becomes cow, some of it becomes shit, and some becomes gasses. New grass will grow, and remove more carbon from the atmosphere, but the lion's share of the eaten grass has now become meat, bones, and shit, which will break down relatively slowly, trapping carbon in the meantime. By contrast, burning coal releases fossil carbon that had been previously removed from the carbon cycle.
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Re: Trumps Cabinet pick - Absolutely terrifying [Re: ballsalsa]
#23928763 - 12/15/16 09:51 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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I think it's the gas they shit out. Interestingly enough there are huge bladders that can ferment cow waste and turn it into fuel gas. Not sure about cooking or hating the house with fermented cow waste? I am not either but perhaps a generator could be utilized. Grow some dope or something
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Re: Trumps Cabinet pick - Absolutely terrifying [Re: Morel Guy]
#23928774 - 12/15/16 09:56 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Morel Guy said: I think it's the gas they shit out.
methane
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Interestingly enough there are huge bladders that can ferment cow waste and turn it into fuel gas. Not sure about cooking or hating the house with fermented cow waste? I am not either but perhaps a generator could be utilized. Grow some dope or something
Biogas digesters. The state of NY subsidized a bunch of them for dairy farmers. worked sweet. The farmers produce enough energy with the waste gasses(methane) to power their operations completely and sell enough back to the grid to help the state meet its renewable energy goals.
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Re: Trumps Cabinet pick - Absolutely terrifying [Re: ballsalsa]
#23928783 - 12/15/16 10:01 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Sounds like Putin has been plugging Trump and hostileuniverse's boy pussy. Fags.
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Re: Trumps Cabinet pick - Absolutely terrifying [Re: hostileuniverse]
#23928850 - 12/15/16 10:30 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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hostileuniverse said: A lot of these agencies have been running roughshod over presidents for decades, it's good to see some change and push back against unelected bureaucrats.
+ 1
Also, as for OP description title "terrifying." Pepper your angus. You are in for a ride.
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Re: Trumps Cabinet pick - Absolutely terrifying [Re: hostileuniverse] 1
#23929632 - 12/15/16 02:43 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Again, you say "hoax" yet you can't explain that. And as I stated, it is more about moving jobs rather than removing them as you claim. Develop my alternatives? How do you propose so? What exactly do you believe they need?
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Re: Trumps Cabinet pick - Absolutely terrifying [Re: finalexplosion]
#23929640 - 12/15/16 02:45 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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finalexplosion said:
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hostileuniverse said: A lot of these agencies have been running roughshod over presidents for decades, it's good to see some change and push back against unelected bureaucrats.
+ 1
Also, as for OP description title "terrifying." Pepper your angus. You are in for a ride.
You do not see this as terrifying? The regressive direction we are headed?
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Re: Trumps Cabinet pick - Absolutely terrifying [Re: Kenneth]
#23930594 - 12/15/16 07:09 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Kenneth said: Again, you say "hoax" yet you can't explain that. And as I stated, it is more about moving jobs rather than removing them as you claim. Develop my alternatives? How do you propose so? What exactly do you believe they need?
There is no evidence man is changing the climate, even if we are, it's minuscule at best
There is also no evidence that we can reverse or even stop any of it, even your own climate scientists admit that
So develop your clean energy and when it is efficient and abundant, it will be the fuel of the future
Why is that so hard? If it's as easy as you claim, then do it already.
In the meantime, people shouldn't have to freeze in winter for you to "feel good" which is all banning fossil fuels would accomplish
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#23931105 - 12/15/16 10:24 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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There is no evidence it is caused by man? Why is it that increased temperature change rate just happens to correlate with the progression of mans use of fossil fuels? And we just happen to have insane carbon dioxide levels after man has put forth things like the industrial revolution, within the context of us knowing that carbon dioxide has a greenhouse effect on the planet. Where do you get this "it is a hopeless cause" narrative from? "Even your scientists admit that" means nothing. Yet again, you ignore what I have been continually repeating. There is a difference between displacement and eradication. This "just a feel good cause" also means nothing as it is baseless.
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Re: Trumps Cabinet pick - Absolutely terrifying [Re: Kenneth]
#23931490 - 12/16/16 03:50 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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HU actually is being accurate in this thread, and contributing information for once -- i think i need a drink. 
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ballsalsa said:
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Morel Guy said: Biochar absorbs carbon. Sadly it's a fad and not cheap for mass application in commercial farming.
Cow farts also contribute to global warming. There are simply too many people living on very specific desires.
this is misinformation fed to the public by the fossil fuel industry.
Cows do release methane, which is a more effective greenhouse gas than CO2, but all in all, cattle are carbon neutral (maybe even a carbon sink) as long as we don't cut down forests to make grazing land for them. Every blade of grass is "built" from atmospheric carbon. One way or another, that grass will release it's carbon again. When a cow eats the grass, some of it becomes cow, some of it becomes shit, and some becomes gasses. New grass will grow, and remove more carbon from the atmosphere, but the lion's share of the eaten grass has now become meat, bones, and shit, which will break down relatively slowly, trapping carbon in the meantime. By contrast, burning coal releases fossil carbon that had been previously removed from the carbon cycle.
indeed.
coal is the best source of, and cleanest source, of energy, by the by, that is available right now. solar and wind should be invested in. natural sources of energy are good, and technology is improving exponentially to harness that energy. that being said, until more viable alternative technologies are improved and injected into the energy sector, coal is productive.
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Re: Trumps Cabinet pick - Absolutely terrifying [Re: akira_akuma] 1
#23933877 - 12/16/16 10:22 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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I approach this from a slightly different angle. He's announced, I dunno, 15-20 cabinet-ish picks so far. Here's a sampling of how they break down.
1. Republican Hacks. Chief of Staff - Reince Priebus, head of the Republican National Committee. Attorney Gen. - Jeff Sessions, AL Congressman. Energy - Rick Perry, TX Gov. HHS - Tom Price, GA Congressman. Transportation - Elaine Chao, Mrs. Mitch McConnell. U.N. - Nikki Haley, S.C. Gov. Education - Betsy DeVos, Mich. Republican Party. CIA - Mike Pompeo, KS Congressman. EPA - Scott Pruitt, OK Attorney General.
2. Military Dudes. Homeland Security - Gen. John Kelly. Defense - Gen. James Mattis. Interior - Ryan Zinke, former SEAL. NSA - Lt. Gen. Michael Flynn.
3. Big Business Assholes. State - Rex Tillerson, CEO Exxon-Mobile. Treasury - Steve Mnuchin - Goldman Sachs executive. Commerce - Wilbur Ross, billionaire poppin bottles, yo.
You'll note the Republican Hacks are well represented. Trump has been co-opted by the Republican Party. They may suck (they do) but this makes nonsense of the argument he's appointing political novices. It's heavily weighted towards people deeply entrenched in government - they just don't favor the policies the losing side prefers.
The game was fixed before we bought our tickets.
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Re: Trumps Cabinet pick - Absolutely terrifying [Re: Bloto]
#23934548 - 12/17/16 05:43 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Bloto said: I approach this from a slightly different angle. He's announced, I dunno, 15-20 cabinet-ish picks so far. Here's a sampling of how they break down.
1. Republican Hacks. Chief of Staff - Reince Priebus, head of the Republican National Committee. Attorney Gen. - Jeff Sessions, AL Congressman. Energy - Rick Perry, TX Gov. HHS - Tom Price, GA Congressman. Transportation - Elaine Chao, Mrs. Mitch McConnell. U.N. - Nikki Haley, S.C. Gov. Education - Betsy DeVos, Mich. Republican Party. CIA - Mike Pompeo, KS Congressman. EPA - Scott Pruitt, OK Attorney General.
2. Military Dudes. Homeland Security - Gen. John Kelly. Defense - Gen. James Mattis. Interior - Ryan Zinke, former SEAL. NSA - Lt. Gen. Michael Flynn.
3. Big Business Assholes. State - Rex Tillerson, CEO Exxon-Mobile. Treasury - Steve Mnuchin - Goldman Sachs executive. Commerce - Wilbur Ross, billionaire poppin bottles, yo.
You'll note the Republican Hacks are well represented. Trump has been co-opted by the Republican Party. They may suck (they do) but this makes nonsense of the argument he's appointing political novices. It's heavily weighted towards people deeply entrenched in government - they just don't favor the policies the losing side prefers.
The game was fixed before we bought our tickets.
Who should a president put in charge of things like banks, military, etc? People that KNOW those sectors and are successful in them, or straight out political hacks that know nothing about their intended role?
It's ok to put bankers in charge of banking, military in charge of security, etc. It's not OK to let them screw the people. SO until we see what policies they implement, its a moot point. Since they are appointees, they have to do the Presidents bidding.
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Re: Trumps Cabinet pick - Absolutely terrifying [Re: starfire_xes]
#23934580 - 12/17/16 06:08 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Trump ran on being anti-establishment, ie, taking money out of politics. if he doesn't do that, he's a fraudulent shiteating fuck, whom might drive business; the little guy will get a leg-up above those whom go to school...you know for engineering, medicine, psychology, my friend. you know...those things that help construct the world around us.
and instead, he'll be making the big big bucks, and the little people will feel like they're being let in on a big secret because they had an infinitesimal drop in taxes- i even doubt entrepenuers are going to make any sort of 'big shout', because they won't be able to compete with big business, just the same as usual. so basically Make America Change Again, is the notion that i see in it's future. the usual tit-for-tat. if "great" is defined by the economy faulting one person over another, then nothing's really been made different, it's just the usual shift/change of a democracy- which i keep hearing is terrible, and a representative republic is the greatest...that'd be true if only democracy wasn't directly integrated into the shit-show. take the pool, drain the pool, place the pool somewhere else, dynamics shift, people play up their ideology, next round in a few years.
the best thing Trump can do, in my estimation, is trump (oh yeah) the fiat currency, and go back to the gold standard...if at the very least, just to shut people up, when inevitably it leads to war with other nations, because, you know, they ain't American. just don't come here to Canada, we've got gold, but the UK will nuke you if you try and take any of it.
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