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No More Tripping - Support Thread
#23920169 - 12/12/16 04:07 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Here we go. Yet another “sobriety” thread on a drug website. Smart, right?
If you’ve read any of my recent posts lately you’ve heard me say that I can’t trip on mushrooms anymore. I’ve also tried pretty high doses of mescaline and couldn’t trip from that either.
The only thing I can trip on these days is LSD. And even those trips need to be spaced, at a minimum, by 8 weeks in order for me to have a magical time.
THE PROBLEM (me thinks): I’ve overindulged with psychs and need to take a nice long break from them in order to “reset” things.
THE PURPOSE OF THIS THREAD:To get the psychological support from the shroomery community. I would just ask that you check in with me periodically and make sure I’m actually following through with this. 
MY PLAN: I want to abstain from LSD, Mushrooms, and Mescaline for 6 months….6 months from my last L trip which was Thanksgiving weekend. I’m still going to smoke DMT though from time to time…let’s be real folks. So, ideally, I will not touch any psychs until May/June 2017…Fuck me that seems like forever away. 
THE GOAL: In 6 months, take 5-6g of shrooms and hopefully have a PROPER TRIP. This weight would be the most I’ve ever taken in one sitting.
I’m soooo overdue for a proper mushroom trip. It’s been so long that I almost forgot how they make you feel…
So what do you guys think? Can you help a brother out? Do you think I can pull off 6 months of no psychedelics? I mean we’re not talking a real addiction here (cocaine, meth, alcohol) so you would think I can pull this off right? Although no tripping for 6 months does seem like a pretty daunting task!!!
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Re: No More Tripping - Support Thread [Re: DustyBottoms] 1
#23920182 - 12/12/16 04:12 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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If you feel a compulsion to take psychedelics all the time you're definitely not taking enough. If you dose high enough you will want to not take them for awhile. Are you on any medication or do you just eat them constantly?
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Re: No More Tripping - Support Thread [Re: krypto2000]
#23920196 - 12/12/16 04:18 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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I've eaten shrooms probably 3-4 times in 2016 and the hardest trip was just a mild body buzz and mild visuals...and that was with 5g. Super disappointing.
I have taken LSD probably 8-9 times in 2016 with each trip ranging from 400-600ug...and it delivers pretty much every time. Some were more magical than others, and that was just because I gave it a decent break...typically 8 weeks between trips would do the trick.
My last proper mushroom trip was in October of 2015. Prior to that, I was eating 3-4g every month or so.
I'm still convinced my problems were caused by overindulging. It's either that, or my brain chemistry has changed. Just speculating here but IMO it's the former or the latter...hopefully the former.
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Re: No More Tripping - Support Thread [Re: DustyBottoms] 2
#23920206 - 12/12/16 04:23 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Dude just take a break and stop for a couple years ( or an adequate amount of time - personally I say 5 times a year MAX). Dont count the time either just live... Psychedelic Experiences should be few and far between. Lest they lose their magic Consciousness Expanding Awareness Spectrum Enhancing properties and become simply...drugs with "pleasant sensations and sensory distortion and mind tricks" or less.... a buzz.
As quickly as a fractal breaking into a million pieces of itself using psychedelics can mutate from a tool to just another thing to do, another drug to try, another experience to cling to.
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Re: No More Tripping - Support Thread [Re: The Blind Ass]
#23920212 - 12/12/16 04:27 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Yeah I hear what you're saying but 2 yrs isn't realistic. I'll give it 6 months and hopefully that'll take care of my current plight.
If not, I'll take a longer break on the next one.
BUT, if 6 months does solve my problem, rest assured I will NEVER overindulge with them ever again.
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Re: No More Tripping - Support Thread [Re: DustyBottoms]
#23920264 - 12/12/16 04:47 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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It's not that hard to leave psychedelics for a couple decades - I did it. The only problem is that when you return, you are OLD. But that's okay, you get used to it.
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Re: No More Tripping - Support Thread [Re: Universe]
#23920310 - 12/12/16 05:00 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Tolerance breaks don't work with a set break. Truly you need to forget at all what the trip or drug is like. Just reset your whole view of the drug but remember safety things.
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Re: No More Tripping - Support Thread [Re: Morel Guy] 1
#23920407 - 12/12/16 05:33 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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i'm kind of having the same issue as you. but the thing is, i took a little break. in the summer i had a 4 gram mushroom trip after a 3 month break and i was expecting it to be crazy but it only lasted about an hour and that was it /: after that trip i took another 3 month break and did 2 grams in tea which kicked in quickly but only lasted about 2 hours. i had a more recent trip on the weekend with 4 grams total (2 grams tea and 2 grams ate) i experienced what i would call a one gram trip. very disappointing especially when i would trip up to 8 hours before these short trips came around. even my lsd trips have been short. i finally found lsd after 14 months . i have only taken 1 tab 3 times before so this time i took 2. i was expecting amazing intensity, which was received but only for a maximum of two hours. before that, on the 1 tab doses, i would trip fairly hard for a solid 8-10 hours. i wish i could figure out why this is happening. last year i tripped nearly every weekend from july - december and every trip was better than the last. but now i usually end up disappointed with my trips. maybe i have just been getting weak shrooms lately and maybe i oughta take a higher dose of lsd. whatever it is, i hope things clear up soon. best of luck with your psychedelic abstinence
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I think sometimes our trip just isn't meant to be all that. It's like a 10% mind blowing trip ratio. Gotta have the 90% not so impressive due to things beyond us like working shit out.
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Re: No More Tripping - Support Thread [Re: Morel Guy]
#23920431 - 12/12/16 05:42 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Morel Guy said: I think sometimes our trip just isn't meant to be all that. It's like a 10% mind blowing trip ratio. Gotta have the 90% not so impressive due to things beyond us like working shit out.
Shrooms and/or LSD?
LSD delivers for me every time as long as I break it up by at least 2 months...I think I might just have really good acid though. The Dalai Lama blotter
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Re: No More Tripping - Support Thread [Re: DustyBottoms]
#23920517 - 12/12/16 06:09 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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DustyBottoms said: I've eaten shrooms probably 3-4 times in 2016 and the hardest trip was just a mild body buzz and mild visuals...and that was with 5g. Super disappointing.
I have taken LSD probably 8-9 times in 2016 with each trip ranging from 400-600ug...and it delivers pretty much every time. Some were more magical than others, and that was just because I gave it a decent break...typically 8 weeks between trips would do the trick.
My last proper mushroom trip was in October of 2015. Prior to that, I was eating 3-4g every month or so.
I'm still convinced my problems were caused by overindulging. It's either that, or my brain chemistry has changed. Just speculating here but IMO it's the former or the latter...hopefully the former.
That really doesn't sound like much at all. I've tripped upward of a couple hundred times in the last decade, probably closer to 150, I really don't know. Sometimes I've tripped many days in a row. I've also taken long breaks, probably some over a year, again I never really kept track. A month apart is not that frequent and tolerance definitely should not be a factor. Are you sure your not taking any medication? You didn't answer that and that can definitely do it. You also could have had weak mushrooms and w/e else, you can't rule that out.
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Re: No More Tripping - Support Thread [Re: krypto2000]
#23920565 - 12/12/16 06:20 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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krypto2000 said:
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DustyBottoms said: I've eaten shrooms probably 3-4 times in 2016 and the hardest trip was just a mild body buzz and mild visuals...and that was with 5g. Super disappointing.
I have taken LSD probably 8-9 times in 2016 with each trip ranging from 400-600ug...and it delivers pretty much every time. Some were more magical than others, and that was just because I gave it a decent break...typically 8 weeks between trips would do the trick.
My last proper mushroom trip was in October of 2015. Prior to that, I was eating 3-4g every month or so.
I'm still convinced my problems were caused by overindulging. It's either that, or my brain chemistry has changed. Just speculating here but IMO it's the former or the latter...hopefully the former.
That really doesn't sound like much at all. I've tripped upward of a couple hundred times in the last decade, probably closer to 150, I really don't know. Sometimes I've tripped many days in a row. I've also taken long breaks, probably some over a year, again I never really kept track. A month apart is not that frequent and tolerance definitely should not be a factor. Are you sure your not taking any medication? You didn't answer that and that can definitely do it. You also could have had weak mushrooms and w/e else, you can't rule that out.
Well fuck. I don't know what it is then.
No meds on the regular. I do take xanax from time to time but never the day of a trip and I also try to avoid it the day before too
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Re: No More Tripping - Support Thread [Re: DustyBottoms]
#23920611 - 12/12/16 06:31 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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I think it's more chemistry. In the 90s and early 2000s I was dosing weekly on average. I had one head ringer and took a break for a good long while. I got right back on the train again. You're not on any meds or anything? When I was on the SSRIs I could eat mushrooms like nobody's business and be fine. Be well Dick
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Not so much of a i wanted to quit so much as it just for no particular reason quit working. It isn't a tolerance thing as it's usually a once or twice a month thing for mental reset. Without warning it just stopped making me trip, I feel the body buzz but that's it for the last 4 tries. Had a buddy try some and they tripped ballsack while i was more or less stone sober. Ended up giving him the rest of my stash as i can always grow more when the time is right. Maybe i'll try again, but for now i'm not going to be attempting a trip for a year or better.
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Re: No More Tripping - Support Thread [Re: Eywa_devotee]
#23921209 - 12/12/16 10:15 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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That's weird.
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Re: No More Tripping - Support Thread [Re: krypto2000]
#23921321 - 12/12/16 10:56 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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You sure you dont have really week shrooms? 3-4 times in a year is not enough to cause that big of a tolerance IMO.
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Re: No More Tripping - Support Thread [Re: krypto2000]
#23921448 - 12/13/16 12:03 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Look. The first step in sobriety and finding happiness is admiring your problem and giving me all your drugs. I will make sure they will never harm you again. Trust me.
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mirraco said: You sure you dont have really week shrooms? 3-4 times in a year is not enough to cause that big of a tolerance IMO.
I vote weak shrooms. Tolerance really does not build that fast at all.
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PsilocybinPrincess said: i'm kind of having the same issue as you. but the thing is, i took a little break. in the summer i had a 4 gram mushroom trip after a 3 month break and i was expecting it to be crazy but it only lasted about an hour and that was it /: after that trip i took another 3 month break and did 2 grams in tea which kicked in quickly but only lasted about 2 hours. i had a more recent trip on the weekend with 4 grams total (2 grams tea and 2 grams ate) i experienced what i would call a one gram trip. very disappointing especially when i would trip up to 8 hours before these short trips came around. even my lsd trips have been short. i finally found lsd after 14 months . i have only taken 1 tab 3 times before so this time i took 2. i was expecting amazing intensity, which was received but only for a maximum of two hours. before that, on the 1 tab doses, i would trip fairly hard for a solid 8-10 hours. i wish i could figure out why this is happening. last year i tripped nearly every weekend from july - december and every trip was better than the last. but now i usually end up disappointed with my trips. maybe i have just been getting weak shrooms lately and maybe i oughta take a higher dose of lsd. whatever it is, i hope things clear up soon. best of luck with your psychedelic abstinence 
Take more mushrooms, and eat em/drink em all at once. 5gs. If you're still not seeing results, get a new dealer, that shit ain't normal.
Also, Sounds like some super low dose acid, or some RC with the type of frequency and history of trips you're talking about. Probably RC if you're legit tripping for only 2 hours. That's just not how acid works in the brain.
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Re: No More Tripping - Support Thread [Re: GRAVE] 1
#23921585 - 12/13/16 02:31 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Hey dusty, you posted on my thread yesterday I believe, very similar topic. I wanted to chime in here. Something I have had to deal with is HPPD. A while ago I stumbled across fasting as a cure to HPPD and it is quite effective. The idea (so I'm told) is that your brain reverts back to the way it used to be (ie before HPPD) in an attempt to "remember" where food is. Fasting also has a variety of other health benefits, mental and physical, I'm sure a better explanation of this can be dug up through various research on the topic, but I'm curious as to if this could also make a difference in how one's brain responds to these drugs during the experience, since your brain is supposedly changing back more to how it used to be.
A side note: As you know for me shrooms seem to be the main drug that has changed, however, DMT has remained exactly as potent, emersive and beautiful as it always has been. I think that this could possibly add to the philosophy that DMT truly is something external, rather than simply chamical acting on your brain. I do not know weather I personally subscribe to this theory, but it's always interesting to talk about. Sorry if that's too off topic, just a thought that popped into my head.
Anyway, if you can try fasting after your 6 months. Or if you feel like you're going to break early and trip before the 6 months, maybe try to fast for 2-3+ days, making sure you do it safely, sometime before your trip. I'm not guaranteeing this will work, or even do anything at all in making psychs more magical again, but it's worth a shot. I am currently fasting and I will try to go for 2 days, certainly longer if I can. (I'm doing this mainly to get a handle on my HPPD from my last couple of trips) but I plan on dropping some LSD shortly, and if it is as magical as last time (only 1 month ago) I think I will attribute it at least in part to this fast. I will try to remember to tell you how it goes.
I really hope you can get back to where these drugs should take you. I know how much it sucks to have them simply not effect you as they should. Best if luck in your journeys!
Edit: I literally just came across this the moment after I originally posted this reply. Somebody on reditt was talking about the effects of frequent psychedelic use, specifically LSD, but this goes just the same for any other psych. OP said "You need to take what you learned from your trip and reintegrate yourself back into this plane of existence. If you keep blasting off into space without ever actually touching down again, you start to forget where you were blasting off from to begin with." I think this could certainly have somethign to do with what we're experiencing. Abstinence would certainly help I'm this case, but I think meditation to reintegrate could be even more helpful, again not nessecarily going to help, just an idea, but worth a shot!
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Re: No More Tripping - Support Thread [Re: bestpsybeever]
#23921942 - 12/13/16 08:39 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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I used to trip dozens of times per year until I screwed up my head. Now I havent had a microsodose in 3 months or a full dose in nearly a year. Here are my new goals:
1. Get my mental health back to where I can function in society, I'm doing the activities I used to enjoy, and I'm not constantly fearing death every day of my life.
2. Take a further 1 year sobriety break while I do nothing but take up Tai Chi, Meditation, School, etc. and cement my mental health back to childhood levels.
3. Perhaps reintroduce modest tripping a few times per year, but if it jeopardizes my mental health again then forget it.
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Re: No More Tripping - Support Thread [Re: PsychoKinesiS]
#23921962 - 12/13/16 08:50 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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I agree with the several who subscribe to the theory that you are getting bunk cubes.. Tolerances are gone within a week, two at the absolute worst case scenario.. If you've only indulged 4 times this year there is absolutely no way tolerance is affecting your experience..
You said you're planning a 5 gram trip which will be the most you've ever eaten in a sitting.. 5 grams in itself is not a real massive dose so maybe you're not doing enough? I take 7 grams as a standard dose.. More if I'm feeling brave.. The point is, to take bigger doses infrequently..
IMO it can be only one of three things..
1) Not taking a big enough dose
2) Bunk shrooms
3) It's all in your head
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Re: No More Tripping - Support Thread [Re: GRAVE]
#23922456 - 12/13/16 12:04 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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i know i have gotten weak shrooms a lot in the past. i should just go balls deep in a 5 gram trip and see how that turns out. and i know for a fact that the acid isnt an rc. i have had rc's and i know what that shit is like. i tested the acid i took recently which tested positive for lsd indoles. the tabs were from gammagoblin dosed at 100ug. there have been some recognitions going around with people saying gammagoblin's lsd has been underdosed recently. i plan on taking 4-5 tabs on new years eve. hopefully that will give me a full 10-12 hour trip and solve a bit of my problems haha
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Re: No More Tripping - Support Thread [Re: DustyBottoms]
#23923057 - 12/13/16 03:17 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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This thread is the opposite of my goalz. I need some support in actually following through with trips and not chickening out.
I mean good luck to those of you who are trying replace something-that's-not-working with something-better...just make sure you're careful about your replacements...
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Space Coast Slayer said: I agree with the several who subscribe to the theory that you are getting bunk cubes.. Tolerances are gone within a week, two at the absolute worst case scenario.. If you've only indulged 4 times this year there is absolutely no way tolerance is affecting your experience..
You said you're planning a 5 gram trip which will be the most you've ever eaten in a sitting.. 5 grams in itself is not a real massive dose so maybe you're not doing enough? I take 7 grams as a standard dose.. More if I'm feeling brave.. The point is, to take bigger doses infrequently..
IMO it can be only one of three things..
1) Not taking a big enough dose
2) Bunk shrooms
3) It's all in your head
I do not think they are bunk shrooms. Has it happened maybe once or twice in my life, sure, but that's not whats going on here. How do I know? Because friends of mine are tripping from the same batch and at less of a dosage? The difference?...they don't trip very often, maybe once a year when they come visit me or I visit them.
2.75g-3g used to be my SWEET spot and was the absolute perfect dose for me. The only reason I took that 5g once was because I didn't have much luck in the trips prior to that. So I also don't think it's me taking too small of dosage.
What does "all in your head" mean exactly? I'm not being a wiseass here, I just don't follow what you're trying to say.
There seems to be quite a few people in this thread saying that they don't think I've really tripped THAT much for this to be a tolerance issue. Are you sure about that? 2015: 12-15 mushroom trips and 3 LSD Trips 2016: 4-5 attempted mushroom trips (all unsuccessful), 2 mescaline trips (unsuccessful), and approx 10 LSD trips TOTAL TRIPS in under 24 Months: Minimum approx. 30, maximum approx. 35. Either way, it's way too much. And if I can ever right this ship, I PROMISE you i will never overindulge ever again.
And this whole "no tolerance thing" is total BS...again for me and my experiences. Maybe not for others. It's gotten to the point now that LSD is not magical, and is just downright BORING if I don't wait at least 8 weeks between trips. And the longer I can go beyond that 8 week mark, the better my LSD trips are.
I'm running out of ideas on what's going on here folks which I why I'm planning to abstain from all of it for the foreseeable future.
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Re: No More Tripping - Support Thread [Re: DustyBottoms]
#23923636 - 12/13/16 06:06 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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bestpsybeever said: A side note: As you know for me shrooms seem to be the main drug that has changed, however, DMT has remained exactly as potent, emersive and beautiful as it always has been. I think that this could possibly add to the philosophy that DMT truly is something external, rather than simply chamical acting on your brain. I do not know weather I personally subscribe to this theory, but it's always interesting to talk about. Sorry if that's too off topic, just a thought that popped into my head.
This makes no sense, you have to be getting weak shrooms, I can't buy anything else here. DMT and psilocin are so close together structurally, affect the same receptors, and even feel very similar for that reason. If one doesn't work then neither will the other, there's just no way around that.
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Re: No More Tripping - Support Thread [Re: krypto2000]
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The shrooms could not be 100% dehydrated as well.
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This makes no sense, you have to be getting weak shrooms, I can't buy anything else here. DMT and psilocin are so close together structurally, affect the same receptors, and even feel very similar for that reason. If one doesn't work then neither will the other, there's just no way around that.
All I can say is, DMT absolutely blows my shroom trips out of the water every time and the shrooms I have had for every shroom trip I've been on have all been from a single isolated strain. Lately I have noticed the strain seems to be getting old. Do you think senescence could be responsible for this lack of tripability? I thought that might be the case, however the trips don't seem to be weaker perse, just different, and a dullness seems to be part of that difffernece.
I will be getting some from a new culture soon, hopefully I get new/better effects from those, of course I will take a break first. Don't want to over do it.
DustyBottoms, are your DMT trips still crazy and beautiful? Despite shroomerz being not so?
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Re: No More Tripping - Support Thread [Re: bestpsybeever]
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I would think they would lose vegetative vigor if senescence were at play. Has anyone else tried them? Have you tried simply eating more or even changing your environment while tripping?
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Re: No More Tripping - Support Thread [Re: krypto2000]
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I would think they would lose vegetative vigor if senescence were at play. Has anyone else tried them? Have you tried simply eating more or even changing your environment while tripping?
They seem to have started fruiting slightly less. More like 4g/cake on the first flush as opposed to 5-7g. They also tend to contaminate in the fruiting chamber after the first flush, or some of them before the first flush is done. they haven't done this until recently and the only other thing that has changed since then is that rather than being at about 70 degrees in the jars and 60 in the FC, they are now 60 in the jars and 60 in the FC. I know they should be warmer even than 70 then 60 degrees, but that was the best I could do and it worked fine.
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Re: No More Tripping - Support Thread [Re: bestpsybeever]
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This makes no sense, you have to be getting weak shrooms, I can't buy anything else here. DMT and psilocin are so close together structurally, affect the same receptors, and even feel very similar for that reason. If one doesn't work then neither will the other, there's just no way around that.
All I can say is, DMT absolutely blows my shroom trips out of the water every time and the shrooms I have had for every shroom trip I've been on have all been from a single isolated strain. Lately I have noticed the strain seems to be getting old. Do you think senescence could be responsible for this lack of tripability? I thought that might be the case, however the trips don't seem to be weaker perse, just different, and a dullness seems to be part of that difffernece.
I will be getting some from a new culture soon, hopefully I get new/better effects from those, of course I will take a break first. Don't want to over do it.
DustyBottoms, are your DMT trips still crazy and beautiful? Despite shroomerz being not so?
Yes all is well with my DMT trips. I rarely smoke it though but so far I haven't had any issues whatsoever and each trip is enjoyable and special. Same with L as long as those trips are properly spaced apart.
It's just mushrooms and mescaline that I've had difficulties with.
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Re: No More Tripping - Support Thread [Re: DustyBottoms]
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I do not think they are bunk shrooms. Has it happened maybe once or twice in my life, sure, but that's not whats going on here. How do I know? Because friends of mine are tripping from the same batch and at less of a dosage? The difference?...they don't trip very often, maybe once a year when they come visit me or I visit them.
2.75g-3g used to be my SWEET spot and was the absolute perfect dose for me. The only reason I took that 5g once was because I didn't have much luck in the trips prior to that. So I also don't think it's me taking too small of dosage.
What does "all in your head" mean exactly? I'm not being a wiseass here, I just don't follow what you're trying to say.
There seems to be quite a few people in this thread saying that they don't think I've really tripped THAT much for this to be a tolerance issue. Are you sure about that? 2015: 12-15 mushroom trips and 3 LSD Trips 2016: 4-5 attempted mushroom trips (all unsuccessful), 2 mescaline trips (unsuccessful), and approx 10 LSD trips TOTAL TRIPS in under 24 Months: Minimum approx. 30, maximum approx. 35. Either way, it's way too much. And if I can ever right this ship, I PROMISE you i will never overindulge ever again.
And this whole "no tolerance thing" is total BS...again for me and my experiences. Maybe not for others. It's gotten to the point now that LSD is not magical, and is just downright BORING if I don't wait at least 8 weeks between trips. And the longer I can go beyond that 8 week mark, the better my LSD trips are.
I'm running out of ideas on what's going on here folks which I why I'm planning to abstain from all of it for the foreseeable future.
OK, the mescaline thing threw me.
Since the L is working, but the mush and mescaline are not, it could be a problem with serotonin specifically isolated in receptors 5ht-2a and 5ht-2c. LSD operates on a much more diverse set of receptors, so you will still be able to trip even if there is an issue with those specific ones.
This might lend itself towards a tolerance argument, although an unusually fast onset imo. It could also be pointing to a more complex problem with those receptors.
If you are taking any serotonin modulating substances for depression, that may be contributing to the tripping problem, be it an SSRI or something like St. johns wort. Just a shot in the dark there.
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Re: No More Tripping - Support Thread [Re: GRAVE]
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I do not think they are bunk shrooms. Has it happened maybe once or twice in my life, sure, but that's not whats going on here. How do I know? Because friends of mine are tripping from the same batch and at less of a dosage? The difference?...they don't trip very often, maybe once a year when they come visit me or I visit them.
2.75g-3g used to be my SWEET spot and was the absolute perfect dose for me. The only reason I took that 5g once was because I didn't have much luck in the trips prior to that. So I also don't think it's me taking too small of dosage.
What does "all in your head" mean exactly? I'm not being a wiseass here, I just don't follow what you're trying to say.
There seems to be quite a few people in this thread saying that they don't think I've really tripped THAT much for this to be a tolerance issue. Are you sure about that? 2015: 12-15 mushroom trips and 3 LSD Trips 2016: 4-5 attempted mushroom trips (all unsuccessful), 2 mescaline trips (unsuccessful), and approx 10 LSD trips TOTAL TRIPS in under 24 Months: Minimum approx. 30, maximum approx. 35. Either way, it's way too much. And if I can ever right this ship, I PROMISE you i will never overindulge ever again.
And this whole "no tolerance thing" is total BS...again for me and my experiences. Maybe not for others. It's gotten to the point now that LSD is not magical, and is just downright BORING if I don't wait at least 8 weeks between trips. And the longer I can go beyond that 8 week mark, the better my LSD trips are.
I'm running out of ideas on what's going on here folks which I why I'm planning to abstain from all of it for the foreseeable future.
OK, the mescaline thing threw me.
Since the L is working, but the mush and mescaline are not, it could be a problem with serotonin specifically isolated in receptors 5ht-2a and 5ht-2c. LSD operates on a much more diverse set of receptors, so you will still be able to trip even if there is an issue with those specific ones.
This might lend itself towards a tolerance argument, although an unusually fast onset imo. It could also be pointing to a more complex problem with those receptors.
If you are taking any serotonin modulating substances for depression, that may be contributing to the tripping problem, be it an SSRI or something like St. johns wort. Just a shot in the dark there.

Huh. I'm not sure if that's what's going on but you do have me wondering now. The only argument I can make against this theory is that I do things, for the most part, that should keep my serotonin at healthy levels. I eat well and exercise a lot...2 of the biggest things that seem to help with your serotonin.
I'm not on any meds though. The only medication I take from time to time is Xanax
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Re: No More Tripping - Support Thread [Re: krypto2000]
#23937514 - 12/18/16 09:26 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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I find this to be true. I went so hard with psychs i do not trip at all and have only a couple times in the past 2-3 years.
i wish i could muster up the courage to smoke DMT but when you havent tripped in so long it just doesnt feel right to do it right now. its so intense im not sure if i will ever smoke it again
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Re: No More Tripping - Support Thread [Re: SizlChest]
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The theory about the serotonin receptors being to blame seems plausible, except if I am correct, DMT operates on almost exclusively the serotonin receptors, just like shrooms and mescaline, so shouldn't it's effects be affected as well?
Also if dusty bottoms leads a healthy lifestyle, then the slight overuse of psychedelics shouldn't in my opinion cause something as severe as neuron damage or neurotransmitter deficiency. Plus if this were the case, since serotonin is so important for mood regulation among other things, wouldn't he notice a difference in how he feels day to day?
I would be quite surprised if this were the case.
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Re: No More Tripping - Support Thread [Re: bestpsybeever]
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I'm in the early stages of planning a wild camping/hiking trip next May or June with my good buddy. It'll either be in Moab, UT or the Rocky Mountain National Park and we're planning on straight up roughing it. No luxuries, just the items we can carry.
As long as I can hold out and stick with my planned six month break from psychedelics this seems like the PERFECT time and place to get back into it. I sense the trip would be very spiritual in this environment.
Maybe having this vacay (and trip) to look forward to will help pass the time...
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Re: No More Tripping - Support Thread [Re: DustyBottoms]
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I was doing some research on MAOIs and was wondering if maybe taking rue or passionflower before a shroom trip would cause a large enough increase in potency to counteract this un-tripablity? Does anybody know enough about MAIOs with shrooms to give any useful info on that?
I'm not suggesting that I plan to do this, or that anybody here should. I am aware that playing with MAOIs can be a slippery slope. Just a thought.
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Re: No More Tripping - Support Thread [Re: PumpJackTeX]
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Re: No More Tripping - Support Thread [Re: DustyBottoms]
#24031383 - 01/22/17 06:11 PM (7 years, 8 days ago) |
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I've gone almost a year besides smoked dmt once in a while. At the end of 2015 I couldn't trip on anything, LSD, mushrooms, 4-aco-dmt, 4-ho-mipt, ect Nothing seemed to work. I would just get the physical side effects with nothing happening in my mind at all.
Last year around this time I was able to trip a little bit but it wasn't good enough so I said fuck it I'll wait even longer.
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Re: No More Tripping - Support Thread [Re: DustyBottoms]
#24031470 - 01/22/17 06:40 PM (7 years, 8 days ago) |
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DustyBottoms said: I'm in the early stages of planning a wild camping/hiking trip next May or June with my good buddy. It'll either be in Moab, UT or the Rocky Mountain National Park and we're planning on straight up roughing it. No luxuries, just the items we can carry.
As long as I can hold out and stick with my planned six month break from psychedelics this seems like the PERFECT time and place to get back into it. I sense the trip would be very spiritual in this environment.
Maybe having this vacay (and trip) to look forward to will help pass the time...
You mentioned this trip out to Utah in another thread. I didn't know that it'd be your first after the long break.
So I'm going to throw in my 2 cents, although I doubt that it'll be worth much.
I am a very major proponent of psychedelics and of outdoor experiences. I'm also a proponent of mixing the two, but only when people are very experienced in both of them. The outdoors can be an unforgiving mother fucker and will literally eat you alive if you're not careful. I had one experience this past summer where I almost didn't get out alive, and although it was a powerful experience and I learned a lot, it made me think twice about mixing the two without first checking out every possible variable.
The Utah desert is a mean place. She's beautiful too, and I totally understand the draw to trip out there (as I have many times), but BE FUCKING CAREFUL! Bring far more water than you expect to need, especially if you're not going to have a place to fill back up for two days. Bring more food than you should need as well. Bring a GPS (although it'll be hard to read when you're tripping), and please just be careful out there. My advice would be go out, hike all day for your first day, set up camp, and that night have your trip under the stars. That way you can't get lost and you won't be wandering around in the desert heat. Then the next day can be your afterglow processing day. Or you could consider a light redose on day 2.
But be careful. I think that since it'll be your first time in 6 months you'd be better off having a 6 gram silent darkness, empty stomach trip in a controled environment in the month prior to your hike to test out the mushrooms and your reaction, and then follow what I said above as a second trip.
Also, I have to chime in and agree with those who have said that the mushrooms may be bunk. This could be a storage issue, a drying issue, or anything else. Get new mushrooms-OR BETTER YET: GROW YOUR OWN!!! You've got plenty of time between now and then to have a couple of cycles. Then you'll know that they're fresh and you can make sure to dry them properly.
Be safe out there, and good luck with the tollerance break. Even if it's not a physiological tollerance that you're experiencing, I think that a break for mental reset from the psychedelic experience can be a good thing.
Best wishes my friend.
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I hear ya. I've been out in mother nature too and had a very traumatizing experience once. The problem with that day was that we took about 500-600 mics each and it was just WAY too much.
We will be careful and will not overdose if we're out hiking. I'm thinking maybe 2.5g or so. We'll take them after we've set up our basecamp, probably in the mid-morning. Supposedly the trails are marked relatively well and I've been studying my topography map.
We're planning to carry 1.5 days worth of water apiece (about 1.5 gallons) since there's no water in Chesler Park. However, there is water on the druid arch trail which we're planning to visit on day 2. We probably won't trip on this day, we'll just take a shit ton of edibles and smoke lots of J's.
We also moved the trip up to mid-April so hopefully we won't be dealing with the high desert temps!
All that said, we're at the mercy of whatever mother nature can throw at us and my buddy and I just need to accept that
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Re: No More Tripping - Support Thread [Re: DustyBottoms]
#24031595 - 01/22/17 07:14 PM (7 years, 8 days ago) |
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Word.
I sure wish I could join you guys. Sounds like a hell of a trip, and I think that you've got the right idea by setting up a base camp and tripping there. Wandering around on too high a dose can get weird. I think that you have the right dose too. I thought you said in a pervious post that you were considering 5-6 grams, and I was imagining those kicking in after 6 months away from them and things getting way out of control.
Another thing to consider since you'll be in a national park is the others. I'm lucky that I work a job where my days off are during the work-week so there are fewer people out on the trails when I trip, but on the weekends national parks get nuts and it's weird tripping around that many people in my experience. But then again, I think that I'm more susceptible to the weirdness of social situations on psychedelics. My ideal situation is either alone or with 1-2 others max. I never go out to big events or around crowds on psychedelics.
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Re: No More Tripping - Support Thread [Re: DustyBottoms]
#24031715 - 01/22/17 07:51 PM (7 years, 8 days ago) |
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DustyBottoms said: I've eaten shrooms probably 3-4 times in 2016 and the hardest trip was just a mild body buzz and mild visuals...and that was with 5g. Super disappointing.
I have taken LSD probably 8-9 times in 2016 with each trip ranging from 400-600ug...and it delivers pretty much every time. Some were more magical than others, and that was just because I gave it a decent break...typically 8 weeks between trips would do the trick.
My last proper mushroom trip was in October of 2015. Prior to that, I was eating 3-4g every month or so.
I'm still convinced my problems were caused by overindulging. It's either that, or my brain chemistry has changed. Just speculating here but IMO it's the former or the latter...hopefully the former.
Are you having some kind of depression/mental health issues or taking any meds that might be interfering with the drugs? Giving a good 6 months between trips definitely makes them more special/magical. You can do it. I mean, if you're not getting anything out of the trips, and you're finding it hard not to trip, then clearly you have some compulsive/addictive behavior around psychedelics and should take care of whatever psychological issue you have driving your compulsive tripping. If you get to a good place mentally where you're not running away from anything, then you'll have no problem waiting 6 months, getting nice and fresh and having an epic trip. Try not smoking weed, too, if you're hitting really high doses of THC all day and have massive tolerance for that it might cross over a bit to the classic pyschs. 
I suppose it is possible you've changed your brain chemistry to not trip as much. I don't get very high off opiates any more, despite never actually having gone through withdrawals, I've just taken enough that my body adjusted and doesn't respond very strongly to them. Get sober, practice Zen or transcendental meditation, get some spiritual/mental training then come back to psychs with a mindset of plumbing the inner depths and meditating. I find the more I meditate, the harder I trip with less. But that's just me.
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Re: No More Tripping - Support Thread [Re: Eggtimer]
#24032711 - 01/23/17 08:31 AM (7 years, 7 days ago) |
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Eggtimer said: I've gone almost a year besides smoked dmt once in a while. At the end of 2015 I couldn't trip on anything, LSD, mushrooms, 4-aco-dmt, 4-ho-mipt, ect Nothing seemed to work. I would just get the physical side effects with nothing happening in my mind at all.
Last year around this time I was able to trip a little bit but it wasn't good enough so I said fuck it I'll wait even longer.
... what about ayahuasca?... do u think it would work?..
.... dude, how to psychs stop working?...strange!
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Re: No More Tripping - Support Thread [Re: DustyBottoms]
#24032721 - 01/23/17 08:43 AM (7 years, 7 days ago) |
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I think it's your physiology not tolerance. Sounds like you should just not do psychedelics, they're not for you.
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Eggtimer said: I've gone almost a year besides smoked dmt once in a while. At the end of 2015 I couldn't trip on anything, LSD, mushrooms, 4-aco-dmt, 4-ho-mipt, ect Nothing seemed to work. I would just get the physical side effects with nothing happening in my mind at all.
Last year around this time I was able to trip a little bit but it wasn't good enough so I said fuck it I'll wait even longer.
... what about ayahuasca?... do u think it would work?..
.... dude, how to psychs stop working?...strange!
I have no idea it seemed to happen after a slightly traumatic 80mg 4-aco-dmt experience and I had been tripping every week up until that but had no tolerance problems. Even month after that I was still getting nothing. I'm pretty sure I could get a pretty good trip now though still giving it more time though.
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DustyBottoms said: I've eaten shrooms probably 3-4 times in 2016 and the hardest trip was just a mild body buzz and mild visuals...and that was with 5g. Super disappointing.
I have taken LSD probably 8-9 times in 2016 with each trip ranging from 400-600ug...and it delivers pretty much every time. Some were more magical than others, and that was just because I gave it a decent break...typically 8 weeks between trips would do the trick.
My last proper mushroom trip was in October of 2015. Prior to that, I was eating 3-4g every month or so.
I'm still convinced my problems were caused by overindulging. It's either that, or my brain chemistry has changed. Just speculating here but IMO it's the former or the latter...hopefully the former.
Are you having some kind of depression/mental health issues or taking any meds that might be interfering with the drugs?
Giving a good 6 months between trips definitely makes them more special/magical. Try not smoking weed, too, if you're hitting really high doses of THC all day and have massive tolerance for that it might cross over a bit to the classic pyschs. 
I suppose it is possible you've changed your brain chemistry to not trip as much.
Get sober, practice Zen or transcendental meditation, get some spiritual/mental training then come back to psychs with a mindset of plumbing the inner depths and meditating. I find the more I meditate, the harder I trip with less. But that's just me. 
I deleted a little bit of the above to comment on what's remaining...
No mental health issues or depression. I can and do get pretty stressed out with my job from time to time but that's about the only thing fucking with my head. And it's not that often anyway where it's disrupting my life on a constant basis.
Weed: I haven't heard that before but it does make sense. And I smoke a ton of weed too. I don't really see myself cutting it out of my diet 100%, but I can and will dial it back.
Change of brain chemistry: This is a great fear of mine. But if this is true for me, it's only with shrooms because I can still trip on L.
Meditation: I actually started mediating very recently. I've done about 15 sessions at 10 mins each over the last month. I'm hoping to get to the point where it's everyday. I feel that a meditation session right after ingesting the shrooms would be very beneficial too.
I don't know, man, but I hope I can right this ship eventually.
Edit: I missed one of your questions. No, I am not on any medication. I take xanax from time to time (maybe 1mg a week) but never the day before or the day of a trip.
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lazlohollyfeld said: I think it's your physiology not tolerance. Sounds like you should just not do psychedelics, they're not for you.
Shouldn't do psychedelics? Blasphemy!!!
Maybe a change in my physiology because Ive had dozens of successful trips. But L has always been fantastic it's just the shrooms that I'm having issues with.
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Re: No More Tripping - Support Thread [Re: DustyBottoms]
#24035127 - 01/24/17 04:36 AM (7 years, 6 days ago) |
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Same thing is happening to me as what is happening to the thread starter. My main theory is a change in the chemical makeup of the brain due to overuse. A longer lasting tolerance. Whether or not this is permanent, remains to be seen for me, but if you're still having problems after several months then that's not a good sign.
I'm taking a 2 month break to see where that leads me.
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Re: No More Tripping - Support Thread [Re: LoneLobo]
#24037638 - 01/25/17 12:46 AM (7 years, 5 days ago) |
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Other drugs can drastically alter your brain chemistry and circuitry, like heroin for example. A lot of these RC's long term effects are unknown. If you were tripping on many substances and some of them were RCs, there's no telling what they have done to your brain. Some of the changes psychs do are really beneficial, but if you overdo it, they are pretty fucking powerful tools. The change they elicit may not always be desired. The mind is pretty resilient. Take care of your body, get exercise and eat a good diet, keep at your meditating, read and challenge your mind and give it time. I think it might take a couple of years, but you'll bounce back and be able to trip. Just take it easy in the future. I think we've all hit that spot where we started having some kind of bad side effects that made us take a break from psychs. Nowadays, I just don't have the freaking time.
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impaired420
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It doesn't sound like you're tripping too much to me. 4 shrooms trips in a year and 8 LSD trips?
I've had like 8 mushroom trips or more and like 5 LSD trips and like 5 dmt trips and like 4 2cb trips and like 20 salvia trips in 2016 probably closer to like 12 mush trips.
Still trip just fine.
I think your shrooms where bust lol.
Anyway here to show some support. Hope you get what you're looking for out of this
-------------------- "Our task must be to free ourselves... By widening our circle of compassion, To embrace all living creatures and the whole of nature and its beauty." -Albert Einstein Offering salvia divinorum clones, leaf, and extracts for trades legal states.
Edited by impaired420 (01/25/17 12:02 PM)
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