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Re: No More Tripping - Support Thread [Re: DustyBottoms]
    #24031470 - 01/22/17 06:40 PM (7 years, 8 days ago)

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I'm in the early stages of planning a wild camping/hiking trip next May or June with my good buddy.  It'll either be in Moab, UT or the Rocky Mountain National Park and we're planning on straight up roughing it.  No luxuries, just the items we can carry. 

As long as I can hold out and stick with my planned six month break from psychedelics this seems like the PERFECT time and place to get back into it.  I sense the trip would be very spiritual in this environment. 

Maybe having this vacay (and trip) to look forward to will help pass the time...




You mentioned this trip out to Utah in another thread. I didn't know that it'd be your first after the long break.

So I'm going to throw in my 2 cents, although I doubt that it'll be worth much.

I am a very major proponent of psychedelics and of outdoor experiences. I'm also a proponent of mixing the two, but only when people are very experienced in both of them. The outdoors can be an unforgiving mother fucker and will literally eat you alive if you're not careful. I had one experience this past summer where I almost didn't get out alive, and although it was a powerful experience and I learned a lot, it made me think twice about mixing the two without first checking out every possible variable.

The Utah desert is a mean place. She's beautiful too, and I totally understand the draw to trip out there (as I have many times), but BE FUCKING CAREFUL! Bring far more water than you expect to need, especially if you're not going to have a place to fill back up for two days. Bring more food than you should need as well. Bring a GPS (although it'll be hard to read when you're tripping), and please just be careful out there. My advice would be go out, hike all day for your first day, set up camp, and that night have your trip under the stars. That way you can't get lost and you won't be wandering around in the desert heat. Then the next day can be your afterglow processing day. Or you could consider a light redose on day 2.

But be careful. I think that since it'll be your first time in 6 months you'd be better off having a 6 gram silent darkness, empty stomach trip in a controled environment in the month prior to your hike to test out the mushrooms and your reaction, and then follow what I said above as a second trip.

Also, I have to chime in and agree with those who have said that the mushrooms may be bunk. This could be a storage issue, a drying issue, or anything else. Get new mushrooms-OR BETTER YET: GROW YOUR OWN!!! You've got plenty of time between now and then to have a couple of cycles. Then you'll know that they're fresh and you can make sure to dry them properly.

Be safe out there, and good luck with the tollerance break. Even if it's not a physiological tollerance that you're experiencing, I think that a break for mental reset from the psychedelic experience can be a good thing.

Best wishes my friend.


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Re: No More Tripping - Support Thread [Re: TheScientificMethod]
    #24031553 - 01/22/17 07:03 PM (7 years, 8 days ago)

I hear ya.  I've been out in mother nature too and had a very traumatizing experience once.  The problem with that day was that we took about 500-600 mics each and it was just WAY too much.

We will be careful and will not overdose if we're out hiking.  I'm thinking maybe 2.5g or so.  We'll take them after we've set up our basecamp, probably in the mid-morning.  Supposedly the trails are marked relatively well and I've been studying my topography map. 

We're planning to carry 1.5 days worth of water apiece (about 1.5 gallons) since there's no water in Chesler Park.  However, there is water on the druid arch trail which we're planning to visit on day 2.  We probably won't trip on this day, we'll just take a shit ton of edibles and smoke lots of J's. 

We also moved the trip up to mid-April so hopefully we won't be dealing with the high desert temps!

All that said, we're at the mercy of whatever mother nature can throw at us and my buddy and I just need to accept that :shrug:


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Re: No More Tripping - Support Thread [Re: DustyBottoms]
    #24031595 - 01/22/17 07:14 PM (7 years, 8 days ago)

Word.

I sure wish I could join you guys. Sounds like a hell of a trip, and I think that you've got the right idea by setting up a base camp and tripping there. Wandering around on too high a dose can get weird. I think that you have the right dose too. I thought you said in a pervious post that you were considering 5-6 grams, and I was imagining those kicking in after 6 months away from them and things getting way out of control.

Another thing to consider since you'll be in a national park is the others. I'm lucky that I work a job where my days off are during the work-week so there are fewer people out on the trails when I trip, but on the weekends national parks get nuts and it's weird tripping around that many people in my experience. But then again, I think that I'm more susceptible to the weirdness of social situations on psychedelics. My ideal situation is either alone or with 1-2 others max. I never go out to big events or around crowds on psychedelics.


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Re: No More Tripping - Support Thread [Re: DustyBottoms]
    #24031715 - 01/22/17 07:51 PM (7 years, 8 days ago)

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I've eaten shrooms probably 3-4 times in 2016 and the hardest trip was just a mild body buzz and mild visuals...and that was with 5g.  Super disappointing. 

I have taken LSD probably 8-9 times in 2016 with each trip ranging from 400-600ug...and it delivers pretty much every time.  Some were more magical than others, and that was just because I gave it a decent break...typically 8 weeks between trips would do the trick. 

My last proper mushroom trip was in October of 2015.  Prior to that, I was eating 3-4g every month or so. 

I'm still convinced my problems were caused by overindulging.  It's either that, or my brain chemistry has changed.  Just speculating here but IMO it's the former or the latter...hopefully the former.




Are you having some kind of depression/mental health issues or taking any meds that might be interfering with the drugs? Giving a good 6 months between trips definitely makes them more special/magical. You can do it. I mean, if you're not getting anything out of the trips, and you're finding it hard not to trip, then clearly you have some compulsive/addictive behavior around psychedelics and should take care of whatever psychological issue you have driving your compulsive tripping. If you get to a good place mentally where you're not running away from anything, then you'll have no problem waiting 6 months, getting nice and fresh and having an epic trip. Try not smoking weed, too, if you're hitting really high doses of THC all day and have massive tolerance for that it might cross over a bit to the classic pyschs. :shrug:

I suppose it is possible you've changed your brain chemistry to not trip as much. I don't get very high off opiates any more, despite never actually having gone through withdrawals, I've just taken enough that my body adjusted and doesn't respond very strongly to them. Get sober, practice Zen or transcendental meditation, get some spiritual/mental training then come back to psychs with a mindset of plumbing the inner depths and meditating. I find the more I meditate, the harder I trip with less. But that's just me. :shrug:


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Re: No More Tripping - Support Thread [Re: Eggtimer]
    #24032711 - 01/23/17 08:31 AM (7 years, 7 days ago)

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I've gone almost a year besides smoked dmt once in a while.
At the end of 2015 I couldn't trip on anything, LSD, mushrooms, 4-aco-dmt, 4-ho-mipt, ect
Nothing seemed to work. I would just get the physical side effects with nothing happening in my mind at all.

Last year around this time I was able to trip a little bit but it wasn't good enough so I said fuck it I'll wait even longer.





... what about ayahuasca?... do u think it would work?..

.... dude, how to psychs stop working?...strange!


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Re: No More Tripping - Support Thread [Re: DustyBottoms]
    #24032721 - 01/23/17 08:43 AM (7 years, 7 days ago)

I think it's your physiology not tolerance.  Sounds like you should just not do psychedelics,  they're not for you.


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Re: No More Tripping - Support Thread [Re: voodoochild1000]
    #24033098 - 01/23/17 12:13 PM (7 years, 7 days ago)

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I've gone almost a year besides smoked dmt once in a while.
At the end of 2015 I couldn't trip on anything, LSD, mushrooms, 4-aco-dmt, 4-ho-mipt, ect
Nothing seemed to work. I would just get the physical side effects with nothing happening in my mind at all.

Last year around this time I was able to trip a little bit but it wasn't good enough so I said fuck it I'll wait even longer.





... what about ayahuasca?... do u think it would work?..

.... dude, how to psychs stop working?...strange!




I have no idea it seemed to happen after a slightly traumatic 80mg 4-aco-dmt experience and I had been tripping every week up until that but had no tolerance problems.
Even month after that I was still getting nothing.
I'm pretty sure I could get a pretty good trip now though still giving it more time though.


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Re: No More Tripping - Support Thread [Re: P.Zappatecorum]
    #24033660 - 01/23/17 04:25 PM (7 years, 7 days ago)

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I've eaten shrooms probably 3-4 times in 2016 and the hardest trip was just a mild body buzz and mild visuals...and that was with 5g.  Super disappointing. 

I have taken LSD probably 8-9 times in 2016 with each trip ranging from 400-600ug...and it delivers pretty much every time.  Some were more magical than others, and that was just because I gave it a decent break...typically 8 weeks between trips would do the trick. 

My last proper mushroom trip was in October of 2015.  Prior to that, I was eating 3-4g every month or so. 

I'm still convinced my problems were caused by overindulging.  It's either that, or my brain chemistry has changed.  Just speculating here but IMO it's the former or the latter...hopefully the former.




Are you having some kind of depression/mental health issues or taking any meds that might be interfering with the drugs?

Giving a good 6 months between trips definitely makes them more special/magical. Try not smoking weed, too, if you're hitting really high doses of THC all day and have massive tolerance for that it might cross over a bit to the classic pyschs. :shrug:

I suppose it is possible you've changed your brain chemistry to not trip as much.

Get sober, practice Zen or transcendental meditation, get some spiritual/mental training then come back to psychs with a mindset of plumbing the inner depths and meditating. I find the more I meditate, the harder I trip with less. But that's just me. :shrug:




I deleted a little bit of the above to comment on what's remaining...

No mental health issues or depression.  I can and do get pretty stressed out with my job from time to time but that's about the only thing fucking with my head.  And it's not that often anyway where it's disrupting my life on a constant basis. 

Weed:  I haven't heard that before but it does make sense.  And I smoke a ton of weed too.  I don't really see myself cutting it out of my diet 100%, but I can and will dial it back. 

Change of brain chemistry:  This is a great fear of mine.  But if this is true for me, it's only with shrooms because I can still trip on L. 

Meditation:  I actually started mediating very recently.  I've done about 15 sessions at 10 mins each over the last month.  I'm hoping to get to the point where it's everyday.  I feel that a meditation session right after ingesting the shrooms would be very beneficial too. 

I don't know, man, but I hope I can right this ship eventually.

Edit:  I missed one of your questions.  No, I am not on any medication.  I take xanax from time to time (maybe 1mg a week) but never the day before or the day of a trip. 


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Re: No More Tripping - Support Thread [Re: lazlohollyfeld]
    #24033667 - 01/23/17 04:28 PM (7 years, 7 days ago)

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I think it's your physiology not tolerance.  Sounds like you should just not do psychedelics,  they're not for you.




Shouldn't do psychedelics?  Blasphemy!!!

Maybe a change in my physiology because Ive had dozens of successful trips.  But L has always been fantastic it's just the shrooms that I'm having issues with.


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Re: No More Tripping - Support Thread [Re: DustyBottoms]
    #24035127 - 01/24/17 04:36 AM (7 years, 6 days ago)

Same thing is happening to me as what is happening to the thread starter. My main theory is a change in the chemical makeup of the brain due to overuse. A longer lasting tolerance. Whether or not this is permanent, remains to be seen for me, but if you're still having problems after several months then that's not a good sign.

I'm taking a 2 month break to see where that leads me.


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Re: No More Tripping - Support Thread [Re: LoneLobo]
    #24037638 - 01/25/17 12:46 AM (7 years, 5 days ago)

Other drugs can drastically alter your brain chemistry and circuitry, like heroin for example. A lot of these RC's long term effects are unknown. If you were tripping on many substances and some of them were RCs, there's no telling what they have done to your brain. Some of the changes psychs do are really beneficial, but if you overdo it, they are pretty fucking powerful tools. The change they elicit may not always be desired. The mind is pretty resilient. Take care of your body, get exercise and eat a good diet, keep at your meditating, read and challenge your mind and give it time. I think it might take a couple of years, but you'll bounce back and be able to trip. Just take it easy in the future. I think we've all hit that spot where we started having some kind of bad side effects that made us take a break from psychs. Nowadays, I just don't have the freaking time.


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Re: No More Tripping - Support Thread [Re: P.Zappatecorum]
    #24038481 - 01/25/17 12:01 PM (7 years, 5 days ago)

It doesn't sound like you're tripping too much to me.
4 shrooms trips in a year and 8 LSD trips?

I've had like 8 mushroom trips or more and like 5 LSD trips and like 5 dmt trips and like 4 2cb trips and like 20 salvia trips in 2016 probably closer to like 12 mush trips.

Still trip just fine.

I think your shrooms where bust lol.

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