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Re: Is the pineal gland/third eye real? [Re: swimwithme]
    #23934527 - 12/17/16 05:12 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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I believe it might be real, but it also might be a bunch of BS created by people to try to get people to become vegan (why someone would do that I don't know). Can anyone here confirm its existence with personal experience? Please be as detailed as possible with your third eye and pineal gland opening experience; I've already read all the generic stuff on how you can see other worlds, see auras, etc. I want to know impacts on daily life, what has changed since it's opened, how do you feel about who you are, how is your social life, etc.

Thanks!




I will tell you what it is: it's a myth of the so-called 'Illuminati' is what it is! Those evil mthafkers who believe they're 'gods'. It is further dispensed by the New Age Movement which is a branch of the Luciferian Illuminati secret groups.

Those truly evil gits actually believe they have 'opened their third eye'. think about that a moment!


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Re: Is the pineal gland/third eye real? [Re: zzripz]
    #23934593 - 12/17/16 06:15 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

The third eye is real. Sometimes I can have an image or scene in my mind so clear and dense that it overlays my vision. If you see those trippy patterns in your mind on mushroom trips(eyes open or closed) you are seeing with your third eye.


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Re: Is the pineal gland/third eye real? [Re: zzripz]
    #23934596 - 12/17/16 06:16 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Lots of progress in this thread I see.


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Re: Is the pineal gland/third eye real? [Re: zzripz]
    #23934997 - 12/17/16 10:23 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Does anyone here ever not speak in riddles? For those of you saying it's real, say some more damnit. How'd you open it? When did you realize it was open? Does it open at certain moments? Is there a mindset change accompanied with its opening, or just mental visual acuity?

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I will tell you what it is: it's a myth of the so-called 'Illuminati' is what it is! Those evil mthafkers who believe they're 'gods'. It is further dispensed by the New Age Movement which is a branch of the Luciferian Illuminati secret groups.

Those truly evil gits actually believe they have 'opened their third eye'. think about that a moment!




It sounds ridiculous; I have never been one to believe in such conspiracy theories. So what are you implying?


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Re: Is the pineal gland/third eye real? [Re: swimwithme] * 1
    #23935059 - 12/17/16 10:47 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

writing directly at the metaphor:
no the pineal is not the 3rd eye of legend and lore.
however,
the mind can be 'focused' in ways that 'resolve' real but unseen patterns and shapes -i.e. the eye of wisdom.

we are constantly playing with models of the real world, even to the extent that we stop connecting with the real worlds because our model is far too engrossing. The mind's eye can be easily distracted by it's own model.

when I said "real but unseen" above it is all about not following what is happening with your 2 eyes, while instead following your model.

to open the mind's eye then, means to open it to the moment, to stay engaged or open, rather than pushing stale models onto ill fitting reality through what ever crack you can make in your head.


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Re: Is the pineal gland/third eye real? [Re: swimwithme]
    #23935911 - 12/17/16 04:44 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

There are lizards that have a third eye on their forehead.

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Parietal eye:
A parietal eye, also known as a third eye or pineal eye, is a part of the epithalamus present in some animal species. The eye is photoreceptive and is associated with the pineal gland, regulating circadian rhythmicity and hormone production for thermoregulation.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parietal_eye




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Re: Is the pineal gland/third eye real? [Re: sudly]
    #23935929 - 12/17/16 04:54 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

There are lizards that have a third eye on their forehead.

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Parietal eye:
A parietal eye, also known as a third eye or pineal eye, is a part of the epithalamus present in some animal species. The eye is photoreceptive and is associated with the pineal gland, regulating circadian rhythmicity and hormone production for thermoregulation.



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parietal_eye




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Re: Is the pineal gland/third eye real? [Re: LunarEclipse]
    #23939192 - 12/18/16 09:02 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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All these websites I've read tell you to decalcify your pineal gland, start a vegan diet, meditate, be in nature, etc. I am studying abroad soon and I will have the opportunity to live such a lifestyle. If I go through with it and do everything right, will my third eye really activate?




Gullibility is not the path to wisdom.




The voice of experience?




You could say that. One need only take a look through my post history on this site to see what a fruitcake I have been.

Against all odds, it is this very forum which helped me sort through a lot of my delusions and misinterpretations.


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Re: Is the pineal gland/third eye real? [Re: swimwithme]
    #23939741 - 12/19/16 05:40 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Does anyone here ever not speak in riddles? For those of you saying it's real, say some more damnit. How'd you open it? When did you realize it was open? Does it open at certain moments? Is there a mindset change accompanied with its opening, or just mental visual acuity?

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zzripz said:
I will tell you what it is: it's a myth of the so-called 'Illuminati' is what it is! Those evil mthafkers who believe they're 'gods'. It is further dispensed by the New Age Movement which is a branch of the Luciferian Illuminati secret groups.

Those truly evil gits actually believe they have 'opened their third eye'. think about that a moment!




It sounds ridiculous; I have never been one to believe in such conspiracy theories. So what are you implying?




'3rd eye is a metaphor. It is really meaning seeing beyond duality, eg 'two' eyes. Seeing with wisdom. Having insight into the reality that is NOT dualistic (not light versus dark or vice verse, or good versus evil and vice verse, or life versus death vice verse etc)

Hence the '3rd eye' is metaphorically located in the centre of forehead just above your two eyes.

Seeing all kinds of magical patterns on psychedelics is not really meaning that, but rather wisdom. Seeing deep into things, into reality.

That I think is the real deeper meaning, but the symbolism and meaning was hijecked by dualistic mindsets who would assume that it means being above nature. Being superior to others. being 'godlike' And with this comes also literalism which makes out that there really is a '3rd eye' in /or as the pineal gland, and then comes the schlock that it has been crusted over bla bla. This is meant to make you distrust your own wisdom.

But really wisdom very much includes becoming aware OF these false myths and these secret groups like Freemasonry/Satanism/Illuminati/Skull and Bones. Becoming aware of, and seeing through their hidden presence/ game/propaganda/occultism is wisdom!


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Re: Is the pineal gland/third eye real? [Re: zzripz]
    #23939749 - 12/19/16 06:01 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I prefer my reference to "Model", i.e.
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seeing the model of the world using the 3rd eye into mind's associations and projections.




In fact this is not wisdom; wisdom comes from the balance of seeing the "Model" which we create internally as well as seeing what our senses detect. Neither wipes out the other: ergo greater depth of understanding comes when seeing through all 3 eyes.

The conspiracy stuff is coming at us like a personal obsession from the dolphin after too many Hare Krishna's in his/her youth.


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Re: Is the pineal gland/third eye real? [Re: redgreenvines]
    #23939873 - 12/19/16 08:36 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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redgreenvines said:
I prefer my reference to "Model", i.e.
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seeing the model of the world using the 3rd eye into mind's associations and projections.




In fact this is not wisdom; wisdom comes from the balance of seeing the "Model" which we create internally as well as seeing what our senses detect. Neither wipes out the other: ergo greater depth of understanding comes when seeing through all 3 eyes.

The conspiracy stuff is coming at us like a personal obsession from the dolphin after too many Hare Krishna's in his/her youth.




please have the wisdom to realize who you are replying to and who you are gossiping to.


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Re: Is the pineal gland/third eye real? [Re: zzripz]
    #23940072 - 12/19/16 10:43 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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please have the wisdom to realize who you are replying to and who you are gossiping to.



to whom ...
(...grammar and split infinitive)
I am as aware of you as anyone here, but I am not gossiping.


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Re: Is the pineal gland/third eye real? [Re: redgreenvines]
    #23940132 - 12/19/16 11:29 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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redgreenvines said:
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zzripz said:
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please have the wisdom to realize who you are replying to and who you are gossiping to.



to whom ...
(...grammar and split infinitive)
I am as aware of you as anyone here, but I am not gossiping.




I see, I have to explain:

to the guy you were replying to. I had said nothing about what you were referring to

I am not a grammar freak

Gossiping is when you are saying snide remarks about someone:

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spread rumours, spread gossip, circulate rumours, spread stories, tittle-tattle, tattle, talk, whisper, tell tales, muckrake;




like for example:

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The conspiracy stuff is coming at us like a personal obsession from the dolphin after too many Hare Krishna's in his/her youth.




Any more of this and you go on ignore and then I do not have to deal with it because I cannot see it.


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Re: Is the pineal gland/third eye real? [Re: zzripz]
    #23940223 - 12/19/16 12:29 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

best not to ignore your medicine
this is a drug forum
all members are medicinal
ignore at peril.


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Re: Is the pineal gland/third eye real? [Re: swimwithme]
    #23940407 - 12/19/16 01:57 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Sometimes I think a Jimi Hendrix song explains alot about how we can or how possible it is to talk about things. Are you experienced? Haved you ever been experienced?

Also maybe the way of probing in these terms is both limitative in one sense, but speaks of an opening or openness at the same time. We grapple with the way we move through language and consensus as experience. But to me it makes sense to think (or maybe feel more) like Jimi, leaving language and concept to do its own job.

So to be straight forward maybe a a pinial gland is an empirically verifiabe "thing", and we also have notions we are more or less partial to (also transcending cultural conceptions) of a "mind's eye", a metaphor in Shakespeare, for instance, or the "doors of perception" (William Blake; then A. Huxely) and things like that. That seems pretty grounded.

There are also the weird organophiles and vegetarians of the far east indian subcontinent, who were kind of on a different plane or vibration than most westerners, either as poets or naturalists, so there's that. They talked about physical-empirical impressions with a different priority through mental form if you just look at it historically. I think with a view to history, it is interesting that to indians this particular dualism and the way it worked was arguably basic and archaic, while to a western philosophical tradition mind and body (at least in the way we prioritize it so much today, as the Cartesian Cogito) was only a kind of pretty haphazard invention, in the 17th century, rationalistically speaking. Before that for us westerners we had the clay-like forms of Aristotle's matter and form mainly on our minds.

In general with differences like this, pragmatism makes sense. It is best to assume that we have words and concepts, also the departure of metaphor; (like a mind's eye) which can become established in new languages, and become more pragmatic through history. Apparently that is what happened, (along with the path philosophical rationalists laid out I think). Concepts and more forward "notions" intersect and overlap with reality. Does a mind exist? Well, its concept and language does.

People talk about experiential bases in this context as I see it. On psychedelics, there is the volcanic Jimi Hendrix experience (Unrivaed IMO!); but in this particular context of this anecdote, specifically what is usually described is a "drop" feeling, or something like a very  light flap opening as far as I am aware (and mushroom users I have met seem to have this in the middle of the brow spontaneously - make what you will of that). So that might be what people commonly speak of as a phenomenonal experience, an experience qua experience, more or less directly, and ascribe meaning to.

An open mind to what meditation or yoga is, aside from precipitating special experiences or powers, could recognize the practices involved are not primarily geared as a system of ultimate "knowledge" or "ontic" theoretical representation of conceptual knowledge, as a western science conceives all things (including mind and body itself). The Bhagavad Gita and the Upanisgads say the only way is a balance of knowledge and action. Otherwise you end up in "darkness". Also it is generally healthy, whether you want to adopt all the particular practices, to be familiar with other ways of thinking and life, other conceptual intersections and to be broad minded about things. It is better than chasing after experiences or wanting to have a 1 up in being experienced, anyway. There you always get what you expect.

I think maybe there is a generalizable difference in meditative philosophy in that it is based less on saying what things are, in pure analysis in naming and defining, and more based on understanding consciousness. As Blake said in a kind of romantic rapture, "cleansing the door of perception" as it is, and allowing that "something" can be experienced, allows us out of the cave of the mind, and beyond the conceptual boundary of ordinary intelligibility. It is just a poetic metaphor, on the one hand... until it is experienced, if it is in precisely uch a way. I like Huxley's temperament and deneanor for investigating novel phenomena, but what people talk about is just experience, ultimately I guess, and it can come through different ways, and particular ways which has sometimes come to a converging concept.

IMO what is usually expressed in a kind of cross cultural analogy as a transcendental structure of mind and body, is not the bridge itself, but just an involved sketched conception of something metaphorically like something. Maybe it doesn't have to be a specifically mind (third eye) body connection, (What constanty gives meaning in some phiosophical contexts) but something else? Maybe some people experience openness in other ways?

Maybe this is laboring too much to attempt to make a point though, so I'd just say as my own contribution it seems to make sense to take a forward, pragmatic view, include the radical empirical approach (which is openness opening) and it is only sensible to be openminded to your own experiences, and the way we talk and think of them. The rest is the maps and sketches of anecdote which sometimes seem to converge in some linguistic idioms.

People describe these anecdotes prior to having any conception of what is happening, sometimes, but it seems to come through all in a kind of experiential and metaphorical way anyway. For instance, if you happen to do shrooms and have some experience, and see that it conforms to an ethereal or subtle body, what sort of map and of what sort of world are you looking to confirm? I have been there, and all I can say is that when I look back, it was a physical sensation, that was a little weird, and inexplicable... any meaning to it was in the experience itself, which I seem to have mostly forgotten, after years, other than I always remember that mushrooms is a pretty novel experience every time...


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Re: Is the pineal gland/third eye real? [Re: swimwithme]
    #23959263 - 12/26/16 08:52 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I read in an article recently that reptiles use the third eye to adjust to seasonal changes, the eye can tell by the length of light in the day what season it is, which is coming etc. But that most other animals including humans no longer use it for this purpose.


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Re: Is the pineal gland/third eye real? [Re: blingbling]
    #23959403 - 12/26/16 09:49 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I'm pretty sure the pineal gland is still photo receptive in humans or at least related to light exposure because that's how it knows when to metabolise serotonin into the sleep hormone melatonin.
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The primary function of the pineal gland is to produce melatonin. Melatonin has various functions in the central nervous system, the most important of which is to help modulate sleep patterns. Melatonin production is stimulated by darkness and inhibited by light.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pineal_gland




It'd make sense too that people who are exposed to artificial lights at night (computers etc) produce less melatonin and hence have a disrupted sleep cycle, it's a possibility :shrug:


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Re: Is the pineal gland/third eye real? [Re: sudly]
    #23959712 - 12/27/16 02:50 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Yeah i've heard that lack of UV light can cause seasonal depression which requires light therapy.


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Kupo said:
let's fuel the robots with psilocybin.

cez said:
everyone should smoke dmt for religion.

dustinthewind13 said:
euthanasia and prostitution should be legal and located in the same building.

White Beard said:
if you see the buddha on the road, rape him, then kill him. then rape him again.


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Re: Is the pineal gland/third eye real? [Re: blingbling]
    #23959723 - 12/27/16 02:58 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Taking prescribed melatonin seemed to clear up my cluttered sleep schedule.

Although since the pineal gland uses serotonin to produce melatonin and depression is associated with low levels of serotonin I don't think the two go hand in hand too well.


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Re: Is the pineal gland/third eye real? [Re: sudly]
    #23959725 - 12/27/16 03:01 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Yeah but how long can you take that shit without fucking up your hormone production?


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Kupo said:
let's fuel the robots with psilocybin.

cez said:
everyone should smoke dmt for religion.

dustinthewind13 said:
euthanasia and prostitution should be legal and located in the same building.

White Beard said:
if you see the buddha on the road, rape him, then kill him. then rape him again.


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