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Huskies
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Re: What I've Learned My First FOUR Months. Full write up of my mistakes and what to do instead [Re: KauaiOrca] 1
#23917011 - 12/11/16 05:01 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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I'm just piping in, I put off learning agar for the longest time. Now that I have I much clean spawn with no metabolities and my flushes have increased. Pastyplates are so easy to make, it is so worth it.
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Kenetic
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Re: What I've Learned My First FOUR Months. Full write up of my mistakes and what to do instead [Re: Huskies]
#23917169 - 12/11/16 05:47 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Agar is awesome
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Re: What I've Learned My First FOUR Months. Full write up of my mistakes and what to do instead [Re: Kenetic]
#23918728 - 12/12/16 07:00 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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cronicr said: No it works because of the higher water content.
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AlCapone2k
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Re: What I've Learned My First FOUR Months. Full write up of my mistakes and what to do instead [Re: AK1000]
#23919192 - 12/12/16 11:06 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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AK1000 said: Sixth major mistake: Constantly isolating agar sectors without knowing if it will produce fruits. When I was first getting into agar, I read stro's tutorial on isolating on agar. Well, turns out, just because you're isolating the fastest growing mycelium, isn't very useful because it doesn't mean it will produce fruits. So I ended up having clean mycelium that colonized fast but turns out it was a non-fruiting strain.
Can this really be a problem? If I made agar plates out of a self-made spore print and made a lot of transfers until clean myc, is it probable that I could have isolated a "No-Fruit"-Strain?
Regards
-------------------- Since I am from Germany, my english is not perfect but I try my best    My small Agar to Oyster Open Air Grow Trek
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Huskies
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Re: What I've Learned My First FOUR Months. Full write up of my mistakes and what to do instead [Re: AlCapone2k]
#23919378 - 12/12/16 12:04 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Not probable but possible
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mushboy
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Re: What I've Learned My First FOUR Months. Full write up of my mistakes and what to do instead [Re: Huskies]
#23919382 - 12/12/16 12:06 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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thats why most people recommend wait to see a pin form on agar or do a shoebox grow to test the culture.
i did 6 monos with a garbage culture myself. never again.
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AlCapone2k
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Re: What I've Learned My First FOUR Months. Full write up of my mistakes and what to do instead [Re: mushboy]
#23919435 - 12/12/16 12:29 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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But I have heared that not all agar plates will be able to produce pins, eventhough the culture could under bulk conditions.
-------------------- Since I am from Germany, my english is not perfect but I try my best    My small Agar to Oyster Open Air Grow Trek
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mushboy
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Re: What I've Learned My First FOUR Months. Full write up of my mistakes and what to do instead [Re: AlCapone2k]
#23919447 - 12/12/16 12:32 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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true.
i guess my though process is if it pins on agar it should fruit great.
or my thinking is off and im completely wrong. both are possible
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AlCapone2k
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Re: What I've Learned My First FOUR Months. Full write up of my mistakes and what to do instead [Re: mushboy]
#23919453 - 12/12/16 12:34 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Since I've never had any pinning on my agar plates (but I throw them away after some while anyway) I cross my fingers now that I get fruits
Regards
-------------------- Since I am from Germany, my english is not perfect but I try my best    My small Agar to Oyster Open Air Grow Trek
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AK1000
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Re: What I've Learned My First FOUR Months. Full write up of my mistakes and what to do instead [Re: AK1000]
#23922005 - 12/13/16 09:15 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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AK1000 said: For the Bottle Tek, in the original write up, Mudafuka fills the bottles up to 90% capacity. But later in the thread he says how he does it only to around only 70% these days. I can confirm that it's much better to just fill it to 70% because when you put the liquid inoculant and shake it, it will distribute all over the place rather than only being stuck at the top and it will colonize much faster that way.
Proof: 
Note how the 1 week bottle looks like it would be done in just another week.
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AK1000 said: When you put a pin on agar, it will revert back to the vegetative state of growth and become fuzzy with mycelium and grow out. The cool thing is that now you have cloned something that you KNOW is going to produce mushrooms.
Proof: 
Edit: Added these to the original post.
Edited by AK1000 (12/13/16 09:29 AM)
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topsykretts
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Re: What I've Learned My First FOUR Months. Full write up of my mistakes and what to do instead [Re: AK1000]
#23923842 - 12/13/16 06:59 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Just because a vendor is sponsored by/sponsors shroomery doesn't mean anything. I've gotten contaminated syringes from one vendor (free spores).
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Junior Fungus
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Re: What I've Learned My First FOUR Months. Full write up of my mistakes and what to do instead [Re: topsykretts]
#23924778 - 12/14/16 12:50 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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topsykretts said: doesn't mean anything
Fuck that man shroomery sponsors are top notch. The shroomery doesn't deal with unprofessional vendors. You got bad luck once and that's all there is to it. Support the vendors man, try sporeworks or the spore depot. Love em.
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pacmanbreed


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Re: What I've Learned My First FOUR Months. Full write up of my mistakes and what to do instead [Re: AK1000]
#23925533 - 12/14/16 10:50 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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AK1000 said: 7. Wait for an agar pin. Once you have an agar plate that's fully colonized, you could transfer it to some spawn, BUT...the smarter thing to do, which requires more patience, but it's really worth it, is to just leave the agar plates alone until a pin forms in the agar. (You guys gave me this advice here.) There's nothing you could do to initiate pinning on an agar plate. It just requires a ton of patience and waiting. But, when a pin forms, you know you got yourself a fruiting strain.
been lurking around,its just like RR cloned pins from agar i red a while ago.. ill defenitely wait for pins on my agar.
i wish i saw this earlier and gone for a shoormery spornsor instead. Too bad ive order 15 prints from sporetraders too 
thank you Brother for such a great right up. nice compiled threads like this are worth (book marking) for a begginers like me.
Edited by pacmanbreed (12/14/16 10:57 AM)
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mushboy
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Re: What I've Learned My First FOUR Months. Full write up of my mistakes and what to do instead [Re: pacmanbreed]
#23925546 - 12/14/16 10:55 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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15 prints? not to put you on blast but that should be in OPs post. ordering too many spores.
15?? why?? just curious. are they edibles?
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pacmanbreed


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Re: What I've Learned My First FOUR Months. Full write up of my mistakes and what to do instead [Re: mushboy]
#23925613 - 12/14/16 11:12 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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yes 6 edibles, was planning to add to my old parent's alternative diet cause they loved the oyster i was growing..
the rest are actives. they sell it in auction so 4-5 prints min order.
too bad. if i saw this thread earlier i would have gone for the hawkseye for few quality prints.
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Re: What I've Learned My First FOUR Months. Full write up of my mistakes and what to do instead [Re: pacmanbreed]
#23925626 - 12/14/16 11:15 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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well with 15 prints you can make like 150-200 syringes. have fun.
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AK1000
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Re: What I've Learned My First FOUR Months. Full write up of my mistakes and what to do instead [Re: pacmanbreed]
#23925713 - 12/14/16 11:48 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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pacmanbreed said: ill defenitely wait for pins on my agar.
Just understand that this is not a rule that's set in stone. Not every variety will produce a pin in the agar. (But if it does, it's AWESOME!) If it doesn't, even after a long time has passed and you know the culture/plate is clean, put it on some grain in a bottle and try to fruit it there.
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thank you Brother for such a great right up. nice compiled threads like this are worth (book marking) for a begginers like me.
You're welcome! Glad you liked it.
I went through so many more bad choices that I forgot to mention:
- I bought so many glass mason jars that I don't use because the ziplock plastic ones are superior.
- I made so many SHIPs (self healing injection ports) for the lids of those mason jars that have absolutely no use to me anymore.
- I made liquid cultures from spore syringes which were guaranteed to be failures (but I didn't know that cause I was a noob)(a big no no cause multispore syringes are usually not very clean and agar is the real deal to clean up the culture.)
- I got efficient at doing things that were ultimately failures.
If I could go back in time, months ago, I would have saved a lot more money if I followed the advice and I'd be way ahead, but all of this was necessary for me to learn and it was a test of my willpower and patience. Now, I'm hella zen about the whole process and it's a blessing to share this shit with others. It's the least I could do after all the wealth of info that's here.
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pacmanbreed


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Re: What I've Learned My First FOUR Months. Full write up of my mistakes and what to do instead [Re: AK1000]
#23925916 - 12/14/16 01:01 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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AK1000 said:Just understand that this is not a rule that's set in stone. Not every variety will produce a pin in the agar.
this is confirmed. i have oyster pinning on grain spawn now. but not on the agar plate(not yet an isolate) with the same inoculation date. ill transfer this pins on agar again to practice isolation while waiting for my prints.
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AK1000 said:- I bought so many glass mason jars that I don't use because the ziplock plastic ones are superior.
defenitely worth to add on the post brother.. i am on this route & was collecting glass jars when i began 3 months ago. maybe its mostly normal for a willing excited noob to think that glass only can withstand pressure cooking.  ill defenitely go to pp5's from now on.. i can now see their advantage.
- i been collecting few glass petri dishes too..
but i think their for just aesthetic. going to pp5 cups for main work from now on.
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AK1000 said: If I could go back in time, months ago, I would have saved a lot more money if I followed the advice and I'd be way ahead,but all of this was necessary for me to learn and it was a test of my willpower and patience
defenitely right brother. ive been reading till my eyes bleeds out for a month now  scrolling thru the good scattered info from good fellow brothers.. seems your success is from a humble heart despite having failures.. still had a time to pause and look back to share important compiled notes/gained knowledge despite your blessings.. to save some willing noobs time/energy/pocket specially for the old man who loves the edibles..
ill definitely go back to this thread someday brother to look back & hoping to contribute something just like the good fellows here. from What I've Learned My First Grow.
Edited by pacmanbreed (12/14/16 01:21 PM)
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AlCapone2k
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Re: What I've Learned My First FOUR Months. Full write up of my mistakes and what to do instead [Re: AK1000]
#23925997 - 12/14/16 01:19 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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AK1000 said: [LIST]I bought so many glass mason jars that I don't use because the ziplock plastic ones are superior.
What is the advantage of these PP5-Jars compared to the glass ones?
I can imagine that the jar lid and the threads of the plastic ones could be damaged after a while.
-------------------- Since I am from Germany, my english is not perfect but I try my best    My small Agar to Oyster Open Air Grow Trek
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pacmanbreed


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Re: What I've Learned My First FOUR Months. Full write up of my mistakes and what to do instead [Re: AlCapone2k]
#23926040 - 12/14/16 01:28 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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AlCapone2k said: What is the advantage of these PP5-Jars compared to the glass ones? I can imagine that the jar lid and the threads of the plastic ones could be damaged after a while.
for me, pp5 are cheaper here in our place. glass are heavier to work with specialy for the old man. they can also break on handling and pressure cooking..
i think PP5 can serve some enough grow to compensate before disposal. you also can go invitro on them specially bulk bottle tek on the big containers like the one used for mayonaise. some are even stackable when not in use. ill go bottle tek instead of mono.
Edited by pacmanbreed (12/14/16 01:34 PM)
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