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If using oats (w/ hulls) is that basically supplementing w/ bran?
#23918928 - 12/12/16 09:17 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Bran is basically just indigestible fiber, like oat hulls right? I'm about to do some bags and was wondering if i inoc alder sawdust+little gypsum with reishi and lions mane on oats, would be good enough or even considered "supplementing" the sawdust as bran would? Idk just getting into edibes and couldnt find much searching on this and was hoping for some advice/experience?
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Re: If using oats (w/ hulls) is that basically supplementing w/ bran? [Re: MysticMoteToter] 1
#23923205 - 12/13/16 04:08 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Using an excessive amount of spawn will increase yields. It would depend on what you are growing to determine how much to supplement with. The mycelia website has some formulas that had grain as a supplement and could be a place to start. Considering bran has just indigestible fiber is really selling that part of the grain short.
From Wikipedia
"Bran is particularly rich in dietary fiber and essential fatty acids and contains significant quantities of starch, protein, vitamins, and dietary minerals. It is also a source of phytic acid, an antinutrient that prevents nutrient absorption.
The high oil content of bran makes it subject to rancidification, one of the reasons that it is often separated from the grain before storage or further processing. Bran is often heat-treated to increase its longevity."
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Re: If using oats (w/ hulls) is that basically supplementing w/ bran? [Re: MorePies]
#23923260 - 12/13/16 04:33 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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MorePies said: The mycelia website has some formulas that had grain as a supplement and could be a place to start.
i was just looking around for this but couldn't find the site. could you point me in the direction?
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Re: If using oats (w/ hulls) is that basically supplementing w/ bran? [Re: poponon]
#23924157 - 12/13/16 08:24 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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There is a list on the left to choose from, here is the ever popular Shiitake 3782.
http://www.mycelia.be/en/strain-list/m-3782-leninula-edodes
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Re: If using oats (w/ hulls) is that basically supplementing w/ bran? [Re: poponon]
#23924159 - 12/13/16 08:24 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Bran is higher in protien and fiber than the whole grain. So bran is better and more of a specific nutrient for mushrooms.
Spawning heavy gives you the nutritional boost but even more importantly it decreases the colonization time so the substrate can fruit earlier burning up less energy in incubation and increasing yields.
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Re: If using oats (w/ hulls) is that basically supplementing w/ bran? [Re: Gr0wer]
#23924204 - 12/13/16 08:37 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Gr0wer said: Spawning heavy gives you the nutritional boost but even more importantly it decreases the colonization time so the substrate can fruit earlier burning up less energy in incubation and increasing yields.
That's debatable especially with shiitake. 0.5-0.1-0.15# of spawn I don't see an appreciable difference in colonization or yields.
With oysters the difference between 0. 1 and 0.2# of spawn per bag does make a noticeable difference in colonization time. Likely because oysters are usually ready in 2 weeks for me vs 2-3 months for shiitake.
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Re: If using oats (w/ hulls) is that basically supplementing w/ bran? [Re: drake89]
#23924215 - 12/13/16 08:40 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Another way to think that people often overlook is spawn distribution , if you distribute the grains more evenly in the bag, you can cut the spawn rate and keep the same colonizing time.
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Re: If using oats (w/ hulls) is that basically supplementing w/ bran? [Re: drake89]
#23924293 - 12/13/16 09:11 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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And spawn size as well grains like millet or milo have a much higher inoculation points in a given volume. I think the bigger gains come from higher spawn rates closer to .2 vs 1 lb per 6 lb block.
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Re: If using oats (w/ hulls) is that basically supplementing w/ bran? [Re: Gr0wer]
#23924322 - 12/13/16 09:22 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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If you put a lb of spawn in a 6lb bag you're probably still trying to make a hybrid albino cubensis strain in a glove box in your mom's basement 
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Re: If using oats (w/ hulls) is that basically supplementing w/ bran? [Re: MorePies]
#23927087 - 12/14/16 05:47 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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MorePies said: There is a list on the left to choose from, here is the ever popular Shiitake 3782.
http://www.mycelia.be/en/strain-list/m-3782-leninula-edodes
Thank you for sharing, I understand what you mean now. I wonder when they mention grain in the substrate composition if they are referring the grain contained in the spawn? like 10% grain = 10% spawn rate? I'm not sure
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Re: If using oats (w/ hulls) is that basically supplementing w/ bran? [Re: poponon]
#23927665 - 12/14/16 09:06 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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poponon said:
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MorePies said: There is a list on the left to choose from, here is the ever popular Shiitake 3782.
http://www.mycelia.be/en/strain-list/m-3782-leninula-edodes
Thank you for sharing, I understand what you mean now. I wonder when they mention grain in the substrate composition if they are referring the grain contained in the spawn? like 10% grain = 10% spawn rate? I'm not sure
It's the percent of the total amount of dry ingredients to the formula. Not spawn.
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Re: If using oats (w/ hulls) is that basically supplementing w/ bran? [Re: MorePies]
#23930483 - 12/15/16 06:45 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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MorePies said:
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poponon said:
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MorePies said: There is a list on the left to choose from, here is the ever popular Shiitake 3782.
http://www.mycelia.be/en/strain-list/m-3782-leninula-edodes
Thank you for sharing, I understand what you mean now. I wonder when they mention grain in the substrate composition if they are referring the grain contained in the spawn? like 10% grain = 10% spawn rate? I'm not sure
It's the percent of the total amount of dry ingredients to the formula. Not spawn.
yea I believe your right, just looked at the inoculation rate and they are listing 1% spawn. that's interesting.. might try throwing some grain in next substrate
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Re: If using oats (w/ hulls) is that basically supplementing w/ bran? [Re: poponon]
#23931543 - 12/16/16 05:32 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Wood lovers are not cubensis, they neither fruit well or taste good from poo or 100% grain. The starch is used as quick energy to digest complex materials, nothing more.
It's clever enough to bring nutrients to wood, and fruit from it.
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