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JohnEddy
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Re: I think I`m permanently damaged from LSD and need to talk to someone [Re: luishroomer]
#23918314 - 12/12/16 12:13 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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When people assure me that they`ve been through it to and come out the other side better people, it`s not that I don`t believe them, it`s that there`s this lingering feeling of "They`re them, and I`m me, and I`m different", even if it might be irrational that thought is always there
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luishroomer
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Re: I think I`m permanently damaged from LSD and need to talk to someone [Re: JohnEddy]
#23918327 - 12/12/16 12:23 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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JohnEddy said: When people assure me that they`ve been through it to and come out the other side better people, it`s not that I don`t believe them, it`s that there`s this lingering feeling of "They`re them, and I`m me, and I`m different", even if it might be irrational that thought is always there
It will get better trust me. Find something else to take over your thoughts, like a girl or something. Me, I couldn't find a girl until last week but I've been trying to focus on my PC which will be bad ass and the thought of the things I'll be able to do takes over the bad thoughts. It's good that you recognize that that thought is irrational, but it's true. You're different. It may take longer for you to get better, or less time than it will take me. Just think that there's been many people in history who have been through the same kind of "life is meaningless" anxiety as you have, and have gotten better. No one is alone in this world.
Edited by luishroomer (12/12/16 12:24 AM)
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rubystar777
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Re: I think I`m permanently damaged from LSD and need to talk to someone [Re: JohnEddy]
#23918335 - 12/12/16 12:30 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Hey man, I know what you're talking about. I'm personally against lsd because it was originally extracted from a parasitic fungus which grows on rye grain, and eating that fungus can kill you or make you deathly ill. The only thing you have on your side is time, sobriety, and start living a healthy lifestyle. Yoga can help since lsd affects the spine the most and yoga aims to heal the spine perhaps above all else.
I believe mushrooms are the only hallucinogens that are safe but 1. it's illegal and 2. a bad lsd trip should force you to concentrate on getting sober for 10 years at the least. Healing your body and mind should be your number 1 concern right now.
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Re: I think I`m permanently damaged from LSD and need to talk to someone [Re: rubystar777]
#23918351 - 12/12/16 12:41 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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shrooms are the only safe psychedelic?
acid effects the spine???
do your research!!
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rubystar777
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Re: I think I`m permanently damaged from LSD and need to talk to someone [Re: SnowDaze]
#23918374 - 12/12/16 12:58 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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I've done my research. By affecting the spine I don't mean it will deform your back. We simply don't know how lsd affects the spine and nervous system but we do know that you need a spinal tap to test for the drug which stays in the spine for years if not permanently. I find it hard to trust a drug that was extracted from a parasitic fungus and that using it poses no health risks.
Ayahuasca is the only other psychedelic I'd think of as safe. Salvia and mescaline are questionable since they don't operate on the DMT axis. Salvia is more of a dissociative than a psychedelic and mescaline is probably a cactus' defense mechanism.
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Re: I think I`m permanently damaged from LSD and need to talk to someone [Re: SnowDaze] 1
#23918381 - 12/12/16 01:05 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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no... you do not need a spinal tap to test for it lol
and it does not stay in your spine for years, those are myths!
how are salvia and mescaline not safe? and when you say the DMT axis do you mean that they are not tryptamines??
how is salvia a dissociative? and by your logic about cactus and mescaline, wouldnt that be the same for mushrooms? or salvia?
please explain this logic
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rubystar777
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Re: I think I`m permanently damaged from LSD and need to talk to someone [Re: SnowDaze]
#23918389 - 12/12/16 01:16 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Well law enforcement have used spinal taps to test for lsd with success. It is water soluble but how it resides in the spine and causes things such as flashbacks are still unknown. It's possible that lsd created from natural lsa like morning glory seeds could be safer, but its illegality creates problems.
Yes, I'm talking about tryptamines. I don't trust non-tryptamines as psychedelics because the pineal gland uses dmt naturally during sleep to create visions. Visions created from other parts of the brain could be like short circuiting a house to have more christmas lights.
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Re: I think I`m permanently damaged from LSD and need to talk to someone [Re: rubystar777]
#23918397 - 12/12/16 01:23 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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wow... just wow.
first off police have not done spinal taps on people to test for LSD. You can test for LSD and its metabolites using a GS MS test.
And its only a theory that DMT is produced by the brain to make you dream. Im pretty sure that has never been proven but i might be wrong. I think it probably is true though. mushrooms dont just act on that gland if they even do... and how could it be like short circuiting to use other chemicals? what about phens?? do you think that these drugs have never been studied at all? ready Tihkal and Pihkal... hell ready erowid and learn what you are talking about before coming here and spreading misinformation or acting like psychedelics other than tryps are dangerous in some way..
not trying to hate on you, but please read up. knowledge is power
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Re: I think I`m permanently damaged from LSD and need to talk to someone [Re: JohnEddy]
#23918420 - 12/12/16 01:34 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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JohnEddy said: ...I have anxiety disorder and several other mental problems, so I don`t doubt that at least some of this would be happening anyway...
I`ve heard all sorts of philosophy, and I understand it, and some people have even promised me that this is a phase everyone goes through before some kind of spiritual awakening, but I`m in the mindset where I don`t feel like being "Spiritually awake" is really worth anything
Well if I was your spiritual opponent I would undermine you at your weakest point.
Looks to me like you are a "Sensitive" that can prove to be a liability should you progress, hence the opposition.
In making sense of your predicament we see that it is only mind games that transfer into the physical thru your actions.
So guard your actions by minding your principles.
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rubystar777
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Re: I think I`m permanently damaged from LSD and need to talk to someone [Re: SnowDaze]
#23918424 - 12/12/16 01:36 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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It hasn't been proven that dmt is produced during sleep but since it's literally one molecule away from melatonin, which is the pineal gland's main hormone which puts us to sleep and functions on light cycles, it's highly probable.
You can test for lsd with standard tests but you'd better do it fast because it flies out of the system rapidly. I'm not sure if lsd is detected itself in the spine or if other chemicals which show up as evidence of lsd usage is what shows up. It's also possible that law enforcement have created this myth to instill fear, and I'm not impervious to that possibility. But to question whether or not lsd can have permanent consequences for someone's nervous system is silly in my opinion, especially since it is 200 times more potent by volume and lasts twice as long as psilocybin.
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rubystar777
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Re: I think I`m permanently damaged from LSD and need to talk to someone [Re: SnowDaze]
#23918449 - 12/12/16 01:52 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Also human beings in some ways are more related to fungi than any other kingdom. And since most would say a healthy approach to psychedelics would not be to use them regularly, but rarely and powerfully, why do we need all these different chemicals when the mushroom provides everything we could ever need? The latest research shows the vast majority responds positively to psilocybin, so all these different entheogens seems to me unnecessary and some of us end up like the neurosoup girl. Which isn't to hate on her either but she definitely was in a nightmarish death spiral of psychedelic overload at one point.
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Re: I think I`m permanently damaged from LSD and need to talk to someone [Re: rubystar777] 1
#23918459 - 12/12/16 02:09 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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this whole post is just...
wow
phenylethylamines have their own system, dopamine is endogenous and a substituted phenylethylamine. your logic is hippy bullshit and you seriously need to read a book instead of miming false prophets who post bullshit on internet forumns.
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Re: I think I`m permanently damaged from LSD and need to talk to someone [Re: JohnEddy]
#23918481 - 12/12/16 02:43 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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JohnEddy said: When people assure me that they`ve been through it to and come out the other side better people, it`s not that I don`t believe them, it`s that there`s this lingering feeling of "They`re them, and I`m me, and I`m different", even if it might be irrational that thought is always there
At the time that those people I included were going through it, they probably would've said the same thing. Overwhelming is just that, somewhere in the middle of the 2 perspectives that you now have you may find solace. Good luck you're never as alone as you think, especially here.
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Lucid Dreamer
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Re: I think I`m permanently damaged from LSD and need to talk to someone [Re: pineninja]
#23918505 - 12/12/16 03:11 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Bro, you need to trip again, that's how I solved my bad trips in the past
Edited by Lucid Dreamer (12/12/16 03:36 AM)
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PsychoKinesiS
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Re: I think I`m permanently damaged from LSD and need to talk to someone [Re: JohnEddy]
#23918871 - 12/12/16 08:37 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Dont listen to these people telling you that you need to 'trip your way out of it'. This is a psychedelics forum and these people all have a personal agenda to promote their culture and sell drugs and they have a certain type of mind and probably dont know what it's like to have a latent mental disorder. I've been trying to 'trip my way out' for years and only keep digging a deeper and deeper hole with a worsening condition.
It sounds like you're just hung over. Always wait a few weeks and assess yourself again. You probably didnt screw yourself up with one trip. However if you keep repeating it over and over dozens of times, especially bad trips, you can screw yourself over. Respect the substance and listen to it. If it's telling you to take a break, then take a nice long break.
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Re: I think I`m permanently damaged from LSD and need to talk to someone [Re: PsychoKinesiS]
#23918970 - 12/12/16 09:41 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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I've done my research. By affecting the spine I don't mean it will deform your back. We simply don't know how lsd affects the spine and nervous system but we do know that you need a spinal tap to test for the drug which stays in the spine for years if not permanently. I find it hard to trust a drug that was extracted from a parasitic fungus and that using it poses no health risks.
Ayahuasca is the only other psychedelic I'd think of as safe. Salvia and mescaline are questionable since they don't operate on the DMT axis. Salvia is more of a dissociative than a psychedelic and mescaline is probably a cactus' defense mechanism.
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Get Shwifty
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Re: I think I`m permanently damaged from LSD and need to talk to someone [Re: ergoticmandala]
#23919011 - 12/12/16 09:57 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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eat some shrooms pal, forget the LSD
oh and get over yourself
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Re: I think I`m permanently damaged from LSD and need to talk to someone [Re: JohnEddy]
#23919031 - 12/12/16 10:08 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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OP what's your experience with mushrooms? Would you say something particular to the LSD experience is what caused your crisis? Or do you think any psychedelic experience could have triggered your problems?
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Re: I think I`m permanently damaged from LSD and need to talk to someone [Re: Get Shwifty]
#23919039 - 12/12/16 10:11 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Get Shwifty said: eat some shrooms pal, forget the LSD
oh and get over yourself
Posts such as these make me wonder if it's even worthwhile to try LSD, or if it's more of a risk for certain individuals.
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Lucid Dreamer
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Re: I think I`m permanently damaged from LSD and need to talk to someone [Re: Get Shwifty]
#23919041 - 12/12/16 10:12 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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If you're sure you have some sort of severe mental disorder, then I would say never trip again. But if you're just psychologically traumatized by a bad trip then I say trip again on lower dose and a better setting.
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