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TeleFunkin
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Caps Separating on Primordia???
#23918149 - 12/11/16 10:26 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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So here's this situation: these cakes have been in a SGFC built to spec (except I could only find a 3/16" drill bit instead of 1/4"). They have been in fruiting conditions for 2 weeks today and only starting showing any signs of knots or pinning after about 10 or 11 days. I've been trying to take care of them religiously, but then I kind of got worried about over-misting. Total noob, I have a bad eye for this.
Anyway, the caps on these primordia/pins are like separating from the stem already. They're also growing really slowly, they've been sitting there growing a tiny bit every day for about 5 days.
Do these look normal? If they are too dry, how would I go about rehydrating these cakes after 2 weeks of sitting in the SGFC? Can I dunk these or will that kill the primordia?



I also have 5 more cakes of a different strain that have been in for 1 full week and haven't pinned yet even though those actually pinned in-vitro...
Any help?
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czech
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Re: Caps Separating on Primordia??? [Re: TeleFunkin]
#23918188 - 12/11/16 10:45 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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what strain are these supposedly?
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TeleFunkin
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Re: Caps Separating on Primordia??? [Re: czech]
#23918198 - 12/11/16 10:49 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Lizard King.
The others, which haven't pinned after a week but pinned in-vitro, are Golden Teacher.
Does it matter?
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Leftfield420
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Re: Caps Separating on Primordia??? [Re: TeleFunkin]
#23918199 - 12/11/16 10:50 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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I would recommend bottom watering your cakes.... Just put a saucer (plate) with a little water on it in sgfc and sit cakes on the plate over night...I would only do that once maybe twice before you harvest....that might help...one question, have you made sure your perilite is moist?
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Mad Season
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Re: Caps Separating on Primordia??? [Re: Leftfield420]
#23918210 - 12/11/16 10:56 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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I'd do the bottom watering too. Definitely take pics and post what happens later. I'm interested in seeing if they'll just basically abort, or if they'll turn into spaceships lol
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TeleFunkin
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Re: Caps Separating on Primordia??? [Re: Leftfield420]
#23918212 - 12/11/16 10:59 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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I have been checking the perlite, yes, and if it's ever questionable I'll mist it directly but around the cakes to moisten it back up. But generally if I rub some between my fingers it's always moist. I've also been misting the walls of the SGFC and that water tends to run down the wall and hydrate the perlite.
So is this happening because they're too dry, in your opinion? Would that explain the slow growth as well?
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Pastywhyte
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Re: Caps Separating on Primordia??? [Re: TeleFunkin]
#23918319 - 12/12/16 12:19 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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They are definitely too dry. Mist the fruits, they are 90% water and need it to live.
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enlightenment
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Re: Caps Separating on Primordia??? [Re: Pastywhyte]
#23918341 - 12/12/16 12:35 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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BTW. What light source do you use, TeleFunkin?
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Josex
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Re: Caps Separating on Primordia??? [Re: Pastywhyte]
#23918345 - 12/12/16 12:37 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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There must be a huge body of crappy old info out there telling noobs to mist the freaking walls instead of the organism, otherwise I can't understand why every single beginner thinks is bad to mist the cakes. If it was a phisycal library with books instead of digital information I swear I'd do terrorist attack and burn it to the ground.
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TeleFunkin
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Re: Caps Separating on Primordia??? [Re: Josex]
#23918406 - 12/12/16 01:27 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Thank you Pastywhyte, and everyone else. Haha, I was afraid that I'd make them abort if I misted them and it looks like I avoided one ditch by driving into the other.
Enlightenment, I was relying on indirect sunlight from a south-facing window, but the days keep getting shorter so I started using a daylight white LED in a floor lamp for closer to 12/12 lighting. I started that after like 5ish days in the SGFC.
And yes Josex, there is. Enough to scare me into misting way too little, obviously. FWIW, I wasn't misting the walls hoping the cakes would somehow soak up that water, but I just noticed it really bumps the humidity up so I figured it would be helpful. And I was misting them early on, but I backed way off after the post-dunk-and-roll-mist-a-thon (as per letsgrowmushroom videos).
I'm bottom watering them tonight, will significantly bump up my misting routine, and post an update later on... Here's hoping for spaceships 
Thanks again fellow travelers.
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TeleFunkin
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Re: Caps Separating on Primordia??? [Re: TeleFunkin]
#23935458 - 12/17/16 01:34 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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UPDATE:
Thanks again for all the help I've received so far.
So it looks like the bottom watering certainly helped, but I don't think it has completely saved these cakes. The pins that were there before basically just aborted, but a fair number of new ones sprang up immediately after bottom watering and looked much healthier.
However, it looks like even the new pins are succumbing to something... lack of moisture or something I'd guess (see 2nd pic below). Anyway, none of them have made it through to maturity.
I decided to preen some of the aborted pins off the cakes because they started to turn black and I didn't want them to rot so I just dried and saved them.



Meanwhile, however, my Golden Teacher cakes, which are a week younger than the strugglers, sprouted beautifully and I just got my first harvests yesterday and today (I know, I missed the veil breaking by a couple hours, but not long).


So my question now is, I need to dunk two of these cakes because I just harvested their first flushes -- would it make any sense to basically pick all of the pins off these struggling cakes and re-dunk them as well? Do they look salvageable or should I just chalk them up in the Loss column? As it happens I have another 6 consolidated jars scheduled to go into the SGFC tomorrow so it's not the end of the world if I have to ditch these guys...
Thank you all again, much love.
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Mad Season
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Re: Caps Separating on Primordia??? [Re: TeleFunkin]
#23936912 - 12/17/16 11:18 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Picked them at a good time lol I always wait til after the veil breaks. Just my preference.
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