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gifted DMT
    #23917428 - 12/11/16 06:44 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

A few weeks ago my younger brother gave me this small bottle of DMT that he and his friends made. I'm familiar w/ the psychedelic experience but have never tried DMT before, (I'm largely into cultivating and eating shrooms or just homebrewing, if anything).
I'm looking for advice as far as how much of this to try.
He said his buddy made it using an acid-base extraction method w/ the bark of a mimosa plant. It is crystalline and whitish orange. I have not weighed it but have access to a lab scale that I can get to if needed.

My brother said he never "broke thru" w/ it, but is no longer interested in it because he has grown to have an adverse reaction to the smell of it being smoked by him and his friends. I think he described it as smelling of 'moth balls."
Anyway, does this sound legit? I trust my brother but I've never come across this stuff so I'm a bit weary. What say you?


Edited by irequirechocolate (12/13/16 10:01 PM)


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Re: gifted DMT [Re: irequirechocolate]
    #23917461 - 12/11/16 06:50 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Sounds about right


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Re: gifted DMT [Re: irequirechocolate]
    #23917468 - 12/11/16 06:52 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

It all looks good to me man. I would certainly take advantage of this opportunity.

The smell and taste isnt that bad. I think it smells like "pure alien" if you can even imagine that :lol:

Make sure you smoke it correctly. If you dont know how just do a quick google search

Make sure to get back to us and let us know how it went! Not enough people report back


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I do not know its name; I call it tao.
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Great (ta). Being great, it flows out;
Flowing out means far-reaching;
Being far-reaching, it is said to return.


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Re: gifted DMT [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #23917509 - 12/11/16 07:01 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I just looked up a "how to." Kind of bummed to read that a normal bong or pipe is ill advised, but I'll see what I can come up w/ and report back. Not familiar w/ "sandwich" methods and crack pipes... 15 mg was the recommended starter dose, w/ 70mg being a max.


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Re: gifted DMT [Re: irequirechocolate]
    #23917650 - 12/11/16 07:30 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Sounds and looks legit. Also sounds like your bro really is a wimp if the smell puts him off one of the most bizarre experiences life offers.

Anyway, a bong works great. Sandwich method means first packing a bit of cannabis or other herb material in the bowl, then sprinkle in your dose, then pack another layer of herb on top, to sandwich and protect the crystals. The top layer keeps the lighter from directly burning the crystals, and the bottom layer keeps the dmt from draining through the bowl as it melts on its way to evaporation.

15mg is a good taste test, kinda threshold effects.
35-50mg is a standard dose, that's what I'd recommend.
70mg is kind of over the top but sometimes necessary if your smoking technique isn't efficient enough to break you through.

Most important thing is holding in your hits. At least 10 seconds each. If you just exhale right away you won't feel much even from 70mg. Second point is the effects start quickly; you'll probably already feel something by your 2nd hit. Some people like to stop here and enjoy the sub-breakthrough effects. But to go deeper you need to continue taking hits consecutively, and as they build up on each other you'll go further and further. The goal is to inhale as much as you can until you're beyond the ability to physically hit it again. That gives you about a minute to take 3-5 hits and hold them 10-20 seconds each.

If choose to wait between hits you'll never get to those breakthrough levels because the effects of the first hit will be fading within a few minutes. Gotta kinda push yourself and build momentum to spend 5 minutes in the real deal.


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Re: gifted DMT [Re: Icon]
    #23917675 - 12/11/16 07:36 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

My lady friend is happy to sit for me, but to be honest I'm nervous about how I might appear to the outside world. I watched some video of a guy do it on his kitchen floor and he just groaned for 15 minutes - it was embarrassing. I think I even detected some fart-rippage at one point, lulz.

I'll try the sandwich bong method after I weigh this out tomorrow. Ay-yi-yi.


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Re: gifted DMT [Re: irequirechocolate]
    #23917780 - 12/11/16 08:24 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I smoked 100mg in a bong and I broke through. It works, you just might need to use a little more. If you can get it all in one big hit it should work good


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Re: gifted DMT [Re: irequirechocolate]
    #23918060 - 12/11/16 09:52 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Just have someone tripsit you whom you'll feel comfortable acting weird around. If you go into the the trip worried about whether you're going to do something embarrassing it might ruin the experience for you.


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Re: gifted DMT [Re: irequirechocolate]
    #23918133 - 12/11/16 10:20 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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irequirechocolate said:
My lady friend is happy to sit for me, but to be honest I'm nervous about how I might appear to the outside world. I watched some video of a guy do it on his kitchen floor and he just groaned for 15 minutes - it was embarrassing. I think I even detected some fart-rippage at one point, lulz.








Yeah, don't worry about how you look, hopefully the people you're around wont hold it against you if you rip ass while having an experience, if they do then you need new friends.

You're already getting bound up in negative ego, this can have a negative impact on your experience, let go my friend.

Hope you have a real swell time.


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Re: gifted DMT [Re: irequirechocolate]
    #23918178 - 12/11/16 10:42 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Dmt has a unique flavor, but moth balls is spot on, maybe moth balls with a bit of burning styrofoam.

5-meo-dmt tastes like smoking a cockroach though haha.


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Re: gifted DMT [Re: thehighking]
    #23918181 - 12/11/16 10:43 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

reminder that DMT is water soluble and smoking it via waterpipe is a waste, an empty bong should do you so much better for half the deemster


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Re: gifted DMT [Re: czech]
    #23918279 - 12/11/16 11:48 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

If your DMT is pure it will have no smell, or color and will taste like flowers. :smile:


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Re: gifted DMT [Re: czech]
    #23918292 - 12/11/16 11:56 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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reminder that DMT is water soluble and smoking it via waterpipe is a waste, an empty bong should do you so much better for half the deemster



Interesting, I hadn't considered this.


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Re: gifted DMT [Re: irequirechocolate]
    #23918300 - 12/12/16 12:01 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Your vapor going thru water will help you by cooling the smoke, you're not going to lose any potency


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Re: gifted DMT [Re: irequirechocolate]
    #23918332 - 12/12/16 12:28 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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irequirechocolate said:
Quote:

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reminder that DMT is water soluble and smoking it via waterpipe is a waste, an empty bong should do you so much better for half the deemster



Interesting, I hadn't considered this.



Because it's wrong. DMT freebase, the smoking kind, is not water soluble.


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Re: gifted DMT [Re: Eclipse3130]
    #23918336 - 12/12/16 12:30 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

that is wrong dmt freebase is indeed water soluble, crack is water soluble as well

it does indeed dissolve as it passes through

same thing with tobacco btw


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Re: gifted DMT [Re: czech]
    #23918350 - 12/12/16 12:40 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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that is wrong dmt freebase is indeed water soluble, crack is water soluble as well

it does indeed dissolve as it passes through

same thing with tobacco btw



:bitchsmack: Nope.


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Re: gifted DMT [Re: Icon]
    #23918361 - 12/12/16 12:51 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

:goodluckwiththat:


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Re: gifted DMT [Re: Icon]
    #23918460 - 12/12/16 02:11 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I just now tested and freebase dmt does in fact dissolve readily in water.

now I have half an ayahuasca, thanks for wasting my time with your heresay


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Re: gifted DMT [Re: czech]
    #23918635 - 12/12/16 05:32 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

OP, dont listen to anyone who says a pipe or bong is inefficient.

Also, i recommend the sprinkle method via a pipe. I dont like the sandwich method because you need to inhale all the top layer of herb before the DMT so it makes for less DMT smoke to get in your lungs.

with the sprinkle method, you might burn 2% of your dmt but you are going to get great hits of mostly DMT.

That has always been my go-to method and never has failed me


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Existing before Heaven and Earth,
Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging,
All-pervading, unfailing,
I do not know its name; I call it tao.
If forced to give it a name, I call it
Great (ta). Being great, it flows out;
Flowing out means far-reaching;
Being far-reaching, it is said to return.


It's just a shot away..


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Re: gifted DMT [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #23918662 - 12/12/16 06:03 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

If you have a dab setup that would be perfect for the occasion :smile:


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Re: gifted DMT [Re: psilosalvia]
    #23919809 - 12/12/16 02:24 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I just weighed this stuff out. The smell of it was pretty weird. It smelled like a fucking shoe store at the mall. Like a Footlocker or some shit.
Anyway, there were a bunch of orange chunks in it that I separated out. The rest of the whiter fluffy stuff came to 300mg.
What do you do w/ the orange bits? They look kinda like the inside of a butterfinger, hah.
I have access to a bong, pipe, and some weed that I grew, so I'll prob go the bong route (with water) for my first try.
Coincidentally just finished a Terrence McKenna book, The Archaic Revival, last night, so I guess it's time to go meet some of them shape shifting techno elves or whatever.


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Re: gifted DMT [Re: irequirechocolate]
    #23919851 - 12/12/16 02:36 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

That's dmt alright. Have a great trip, tells us how it goes! :cheers:


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Re: gifted DMT [Re: Kinshino]
    #23919876 - 12/12/16 02:41 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I used it in a regular bowl sandwiched between tobacco and it worked out fine for me. I am sure the vapor genies are really great, but not everyone has the money to splurge on that. Just use thin layers of tobacco, or any type of herb that is safe to consume.


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Re: gifted DMT [Re: irequirechocolate]
    #23920011 - 12/12/16 03:14 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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I just weighed this stuff out. The smell of it was pretty weird. It smelled like a fucking shoe store at the mall. Like a Footlocker or some shit.
Anyway, there were a bunch of orange chunks in it that I separated out. The rest of the whiter fluffy stuff came to 300mg.
What do you do w/ the orange bits? They look kinda like the inside of a butterfinger, hah.
I have access to a bong, pipe, and some weed that I grew, so I'll prob go the bong route (with water) for my first try.
Coincidentally just finished a Terrence McKenna book, The Archaic Revival, last night, so I guess it's time to go meet some of them shape shifting techno elves or whatever.





The orange bits are fine to smoke. they will be just as potent as the white powder, pretty much

howd you like the archaic revival? Its my favorite book by Terence.


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Something there is mysteriously formed,
Existing before Heaven and Earth,
Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging,
All-pervading, unfailing,
I do not know its name; I call it tao.
If forced to give it a name, I call it
Great (ta). Being great, it flows out;
Flowing out means far-reaching;
Being far-reaching, it is said to return.


It's just a shot away..


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Re: gifted DMT [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #23920208 - 12/12/16 04:24 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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OP, dont listen to anyone who says a pipe or bong is inefficient.

Also, i recommend the sprinkle method via a pipe. I dont like the sandwich method because you need to inhale all the top layer of herb before the DMT so it makes for less DMT smoke to get in your lungs.

with the sprinkle method, you might burn 2% of your dmt but you are going to get great hits of mostly DMT.

That has always been my go-to method and never has failed me




Yup! I always overload my bowls just because I want to make sure I get there. Just like a big pile in your bowl and rip away. You'll know when your done. It's usually a good idea to try and take another hit when you feel like your there, that's how a breakthrough happens.


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Re: gifted DMT [Re: Supachopped719]
    #23920516 - 12/12/16 06:09 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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OP, dont listen to anyone who says a pipe or bong is inefficient.

Also, i recommend the sprinkle method via a pipe. I dont like the sandwich method because you need to inhale all the top layer of herb before the DMT so it makes for less DMT smoke to get in your lungs.

with the sprinkle method, you might burn 2% of your dmt but you are going to get great hits of mostly DMT.

That has always been my go-to method and never has failed me




Yup! I always overload my bowls just because I want to make sure I get there. Just like a big pile in your bowl and rip away. You'll know when your done. It's usually a good idea to try and take another hit when you feel like your there, that's how a breakthrough happens.





Exactly. I hear of so many people failing because they are trying way too hard not to "burn" the dmt. Just pack a little less than half a bowl of weed and sprinkle a shitload on top and light it like there is no tomorrow. You wont burn it..thats total bullshit

Also like another poster said..make sure you take big hits and HOLD THEM IN! That is key


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Something there is mysteriously formed,
Existing before Heaven and Earth,
Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging,
All-pervading, unfailing,
I do not know its name; I call it tao.
If forced to give it a name, I call it
Great (ta). Being great, it flows out;
Flowing out means far-reaching;
Being far-reaching, it is said to return.


It's just a shot away..


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Re: gifted DMT [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #23920839 - 12/12/16 07:59 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Welp, I did it.
I decided to dose myself 50mg w/ a bit of grass.
I managed 2 hits before it clicked.
I kinda dislike the grass part... It was pretty far out, and now that I'm flapped it's making it much more difficult to articulate what I experienced.
Right as I was wrapping up rip 2, my vision became super skewed. It was almost as if the individual objects in the room start to smear and glide around independently.I managed to say out loud something like, "it's happening," before I had to lean back and take things in.
The room began to look very cartoony.
But in a particular way.. It was also very bright and neon in a sort-of Tokyo adult arcade style...
Like rainbow-candyland??
I feel like it was especially enhanced due to the environment. All the xmas lights and a tiny tree and stuff. There's also quite a few potted plants sharing a shelf w/ a bunch of random knickknacks. For seem reason they had a life and sort of character to them.
We have a money tree with decent sized leaves that were particularly interesting to look at. I did stay in my seat the whole time, reclining against this fucking crazy feux fur pillow we got recently.
I'm chatting to my brother about it now so I may work out some other details.
But damn, weird shit!


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Re: gifted DMT [Re: irequirechocolate]
    #23920865 - 12/12/16 08:07 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Tokyo adult arcade style is a great way to describe it open eyed.
Sounds like you got some effects, but didn't break through entirely. If you have the money, get a glass vapor genie.If you don't have the extra cash look up how to make a machine. Break through isn't just the visions, its a different reality.


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Re: gifted DMT [Re: pnuke]
    #23920956 - 12/12/16 08:35 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Yeah, I didn't leave the room, or the couch for that matter. I thought it was fascinating and was really enjoying myself, but I'm a little disappointed i didn't meet the Purple Lady or speak to anyone about my death, ha!

My gf said it smelled terrible, but I wasn't even aware of it. All the reading I did had mentioned it and so i warned her. She seemed okay w/ it.

She later described it as smelling "like the dirty fingers of a tweeker's hand."
I did it right when I got home from a 30 min bike ride, so I was kinda over-warm from the ride.
But coincidentally it's freezing tonight and the water had to be shut off.
I was at a fine temp as it was going on, but now it's fucking chilly.
More about the visuals concerning my surroundings - have you ever seen the comic Nonplayer?

I'm grasping at straws to try and describe the way things looked. It looked illustrated and painted and animated all at once. The movie Waking Life comes to mind, as well as the glowing style of that Nonplayer comic.

Still, shapes kind of seemed to bounce around. They had a Pee-wee's Playhouse sort of vibe.
I'll be thinking of this for a while..


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Re: gifted DMT [Re: irequirechocolate]
    #23921427 - 12/12/16 11:53 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I'm still interested in breaking thru. Any advice? Should I have my eyes closed or isolate myself in some way?
This time I specifically had the music off and at one point closed my eyes to see what happened, (I had many, mostly formless, visuals), but I'm hoping to experience the alien visitations I've read about. I thought I was on my way w/ 2 rips of 50mg, but maybe it really does take that 3rd one. I don't know how though, I was fuckin conked right when I inhaled that second one.
Also, I don't like tobacco and actually find weed kind dulling in a negative way. Any suggestions for avoiding the stonage?


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Re: gifted DMT [Re: irequirechocolate]
    #23921573 - 12/13/16 02:04 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Sounds like you had a sub breakthrough, you were pretty close! You probably had another hit in the bowl. Try collecting some ash and sandwich it between that. I'd recommend you get a bong. It's easier to inhale it all in one hit so you don't have to worry about taking the third, because it is pretty hard.


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Re: gifted DMT [Re: Kinshino]
    #23922192 - 12/13/16 10:35 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

To smoke dmt without weed or tobacco, look up the healthstone. It works great.

Or you can use a small piece of Brillo pad that's been cleaned up, just ball it up and stick it in your bong bowl. Make sure you torch off the coating on it first though.

The meth pipe works but it's kinda hard to keep hitting it after the first hit I've found.


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Re: gifted DMT [Re: Supachopped719]
    #23922445 - 12/13/16 11:58 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Some other descriptors as to how things looked are that it was almost like being in a soft, breathing, pinball machine... It's been forever since I went and saw that terrible Speed Racer movie, but if I remember the visuals of that movie correctly, it was also kind of like that..
I looked at my girlfriend and the dog a few times throughout and they looked pretty incredible, almost painted, in a sort of moving, pastel, van Gogh-like style.

It was a bong that I used but maybe I will try this healthstone or steel scrubber method, cuz I don't really want to be stoned throughout; I'd much rather have my wits about me. I may swing by a shop during my lunch today and see what they have to offer.

I think I will try to do it in a dark space as well - perhaps that will remove certain distractions and take me somewhere more otherworldly.

Has anyone been able to take another rip during the actual trip to go further, just in case you didn't break through but want to? Also, because I have a limited amount of this stuff and didn't break thru w/ 50mg, would it be a waste to use less than? And is it common to NOT be able to break thru the first time? I've witnessed plenty of times people not being able to get stoned the first time they tried grass..


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Re: gifted DMT [Re: irequirechocolate]
    #23922495 - 12/13/16 12:24 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Some people say they breakthrough everytime.

Others say they experience a breakthrough very rarely.

For me it's really random, a real set and setting kind of thing. I have my smoking method down real nice, but sometimes I just go so deep. Other times I kind of just scrape the surface, though that's real rare.

I have an idea that the dmt experience is like meditation, in that the more you meditate, the better you get at reaching the deep deep states.

Practice makes perfect. Even a weaker dmt trip is mind blowingly amazing. So no harm no foul if you don't breakthrough.

Also you can't force the entities to show up, they kind of do their own thing. It makes the visitations that much more special in my mind.


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Re: gifted DMT [Re: Supachopped719]
    #23922592 - 12/13/16 01:00 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

What's your meditation process and setting like, Supa? And although you say the break throughs are at random, what sort of probabilities have you noticed? How often are you taking it?
Last night was my first time and I'm not sure whether I should try it again today or if I should think on it for a week or more before using again. My memories of what happened are already fading, and I did't really recall anything particularly spiritually enlightening about the experience. It was fucking far out and I certainly enjoyed myself, but I'd like to gain a knowledge from this beyond the pretty shapes and colors. I've never met an entity on mushies but I have had some pretty important personal reflections using them. Hoping to achieve something similar if not greater w/ this stuff.


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Re: gifted DMT [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #23922664 - 12/13/16 01:20 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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The orange bits are fine to smoke. they will be just as potent as the white powder, pretty much

howd you like the archaic revival? Its my favorite book by Terence.




I found the book to be a pretty unique experience, and I totally enjoyed it, but a bit of it did come off as overly New Age woo-woo wah-wah. The chapter on novelty events thru time seemed particularly rough to me.
On the other hand, his thoughts and advice concerning methods for tripping were really what I needed to hear. I've been in a lot of situations where mushrooms were being used as a party drug or as a fucking enhancement to TV or something, which I openly admit I've done, but there are clearly better uses for them that lack the shallowness of just killing time.
His theories about evolution have some validity to them, but as someone who's ruminated on similar ideas and works in genetics lab, I must take them w/ more than a grain of salt.
I am not knocking him or his work though. He seemed to have, if anything, an imagination and life perspective that was pretty inspiring. I also think he's correct in his beliefs that it's much more appropriate for only certain people to dive DEEP into trying these plants, rather than thinking the world would be shaped into a better place if every 18yr old was dosed w/ some acid.


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Re: gifted DMT [Re: irequirechocolate]
    #23922778 - 12/13/16 02:02 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I used to smoke dmt quite often when I first learned how to extract it. But I've been on probation for over a year now so I haven't had the guts to preform an extraction this whole time.

Normally what I would do I lie in my bed for a while, usually after I had dabbed a bunch of hash oil. I would get real relaxed and just get the idea to load up some dmt. I'd blast off with three of four hits out of my bong. Over time I got more used to the expirence and became more comfortable within it.

The trip is a lot like a dream in that you'll only remember bits and pieces, and the memories fade fast. As time went on I also got better at holding on to the memory in my opinion.

Practice practice practice. Dmt was a really fun substance to learn about. It felt like a spiritual discipline. Learning to extract, learning to smoke, learning to journey, and learning to retain the messages learned on path.

Very rewarding.


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Re: gifted DMT [Re: irequirechocolate]
    #23924129 - 12/13/16 08:11 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Some other descriptors as to how things looked are that it was almost like being in a soft, breathing, pinball machine... It's been forever since I went and saw that terrible Speed Racer movie, but if I remember the visuals of that movie correctly, it was also kind of like that..
I looked at my girlfriend and the dog a few times throughout and they looked pretty incredible, almost painted, in a sort of moving, pastel, van Gogh-like style.

It was a bong that I used but maybe I will try this healthstone or steel scrubber method, cuz I don't really want to be stoned throughout; I'd much rather have my wits about me. I may swing by a shop during my lunch today and see what they have to offer.

I think I will try to do it in a dark space as well - perhaps that will remove certain distractions and take me somewhere more otherworldly.

Has anyone been able to take another rip during the actual trip to go further, just in case you didn't break through but want to? Also, because I have a limited amount of this stuff and didn't break thru w/ 50mg, would it be a waste to use less than? And is it common to NOT be able to break thru the first time? I've witnessed plenty of times people not being able to get stoned the first time they tried grass..




Hey man, try with the lights dim next time, maybe just a candle or something. Your OEV's are totally legit. Plants display a vigorous personality, objects become cartoony, animals are surreal. But the best visuals are observed with eyes closed.

Music to me is very helpful. Keeps my mind going in forward momentum instead of pausing to admire or looping to analyze. The visuals seem to dance to the rhythm, like an added level of choreography to the geometry. I've had lots of success with Ocean by John Butler Trio. The artist plays the song differently every time, there's no lyrics, and it progresses like a journey.

Instead of weed or tobacco, use any herb that's not psychoactive. Can find tons of different herbs at a health food store. Try peppermint for flavor or mullein for something neutral.

And yea, it's pretty common for someone to need a few trips before breaking through. I think it's a combination of poor smoking technique and anxiety that keeps people from inhaling enough or calming themselves into letting go completely. Need both to breakthrough. Sounds like you just need more hits.

It would be difficult, but if you have the wits to take another hit during the trip, go for it. I personally vape my dmt out of a volcano so my vapor is collected in a bag with a nozzle. With the volcano, continuing to take hits mid-trip is pretty easy. All I gotta do is lift my arm, press my lips and inhale. A bong would obviously be a little more dangerous since you'd be half consciously handling glass and fire. But maybe your gf can hold the bong and light it for you. I recommend just focusing during the initial ramp-up to squeeze 1 more hit in and then you can just hold that last one as long as possible.


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Re: gifted DMT [Re: Icon]
    #23924416 - 12/13/16 09:50 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I tried it again a couple hrs ago. I didn't have a way to meter out a measured sample, and so I just took 5 of the small orange chunks that I had separated before and added them to the tiniest bit of weed. I made a base layer of ash from a previous bowl my gf had had.

To prepare I closed all the curtains in my bedroom and only had a very soft pink light on, (one of those Himalayan Salt lights). I was alone in the house and managed to chief 3 hits before putting the bong down and laying on my bed. During the last hit it seemed like the bowl really took off and had a flaming cherry, and so I did my best to suck in all that was left.

After a few seconds I remembered I wanted to do this in the dark and so I hit the lamp switch and just laid back. I had periods where my eyes were opened and closed, but the visuals seemed pretty similar throughout both. This time I saw some pretty intricate geometric patterns, similar to what you might experience on shrooms if you were to zone out on an intricate Persian rug or something. The details were much finer though I wasn't focusing on them too much, and the styling had a similarity to the Aztec calendar stone, (something I know hardly anything about actually). From where I was laying, my room has windows just barely in my periphery, and although I closed the curtains some outside xmas lights was squeezing in along the ceiling toward my center of vision. It reminded me of Close Encounters of the Third Kind when the child is being abducted early on in the film.

This only last like 3 minutes, and throughout I still felt pretty tethered to my normal thought patterns. Like, I was kind of waiting and urging something supernatural to happen, but could tell I felt to rooted in reality for it to happen this time. I also became introspective and had feeling that perhaps I was being irresponsible to do this 2 days in a row, without a sitter or telling anyone, and for smoking those weird orange chunks. I tried to let these feelings slide, and I did, but never for too long. Eventually I could see that I wasn't going anywhere new, and so things must be fading a bit. I remembered there was a full moon and I live over the water, and so I decided to get up and look outside. I saw my hand on the way and similarly to shrooms had tracers when I waved my hand side to side, in addition to unusual distance perception as I moved it towards and away from me. By the time I looked outside nothing looked too special.

I went downstairs to clean the bong and take the dog for a walk and felt a bit absentminded as I did so, but by the time I was out the door I felt fairly normal. I did run into a neighbor and was aware that my mouth tasted like chemical and felt a bit paranoid that he could smell something on me, but ultimately he's an old weirdo and I didn't let it bother me. After that, all was well, but it wasn't nearly as spectacular as the first time. I introduced too many variables by doing it alone, in the dark, and w/ those chunks, but I think in the future I'll be happy to do it w/ some well-lit eye candy around.
 
I was considering types of music to put on during a trip earlier and had a couple ideas during my ride home today. I was listening to The dBs and thought something like "Nothing is Wrong" could work if I wanted something dreamy, but that a nice instrumental piece might be Black Sabbath's "Fluff/Sabbra Cadabra." 

*(BTW, I'm checking out this John Butler Trio guy now, Icon. D00ds got some gnarly fingernails in this Red Rock vid.. Listening to this, If I could make a recommendation to you it might be Leo Kottke's 'Vaseline Machine Gun').

Anyway, as I think about this experience some of the mystique is gone, as it wasn't nearly as intense or shocking as the first time. Of course I'm not disinterested, maybe just kinda greedy for wanting to leave this dimension entirely!


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Re: gifted DMT [Re: irequirechocolate]
    #23924504 - 12/13/16 10:19 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Load up twice as much dmt next time. That should do the trick. Remember, you don't have to smoke everything that's in the bowl. Just smoke as much as you possibly can.


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    #23924740 - 12/14/16 12:28 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

The orange chunks were probably not very potent. I think you're approaching your first trips better than most people tho. I hope you find what you're looking for with what you have left.

The mental game can be tricky. Definitely gotta be relaxed and open to whatever. If your mind is searching and anticipating the face, you'll be too occupied to receive any insight and miss the whole body. I'm getting pretty abstract here but you can't just run and jump towards it. It's shy and hides elusively.

Try getting into the mindset of falling asleep while doing it.
Release your logic. Forget about your day. Forget about tomorrow. Forget who you are. Just breathe. Just be. (Hit three)
Once you're in that state you may notice something shift in the corner of your eye. Don't startle; just rest and let it flood your mind like a dream.

If you're doing this already just stick with it and keep pushing it. But maybe take some time off like a few days or a week between attempts. Let yourself process it and be open to accepting whatever you'll get out of it. When you're least trying and least expecting, it'll unfold wildly.


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Re: gifted DMT [Re: Icon]
    #23925830 - 12/14/16 12:32 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Thanks for the advice, guys. I think this will all be useful.

My girlfriend was kind of concerned when I told her I did it by myself, but I feel pretty safe w/ the process. Still, I might respect this concern if it doesn't matter that other people are in the room when trying to break through.
She is understandably frightened of trying something like this, as ~7 years ago she had a bad response to some mushrooms while we were camping and suffered a seizure. Everything ultimately ended up fine, but it put some fear in us for sure. She's had them off and on throughout her whole life and prefers to avoid scenarios that seem to trigger them; I sure as hell can't blame her for that, but I also don't want to seem secretive or end up isolating her from my own trips.

Anyway, I think I'll wait until at least this weekend before I try it again. I've got plenty more (4 or 5 more tries depending on the dose), and think maybe I will see if I can prepare two bowls in advance in an effort to be able to take in as much as possible w/out fumbling.
I'm also curious to share it w/ a bud and see what it's like to simultaneously blast off. Shrooms have had the unusual quality of providing a strong shared experience when done in pairs. I don't want to call it telepathic, but I'm sure you other users know what I mean. Any of you experience this w/ DMT though?


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Re: gifted DMT [Re: czech]
    #23926088 - 12/14/16 01:38 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Dmt has a unique flavor, but moth balls is spot on, maybe moth balls with a bit of burning styrofoam.

5-meo-dmt tastes like smoking a cockroach though haha.





What is the difference, regarding the mindtrip, between 5 meo and the nn dmt?


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Re: gifted DMT [Re: Canon]
    #23928919 - 12/15/16 10:56 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

When I tried it, it hit me so quickly I don't even remember smelling it but my friend said it smells disgusting


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Re: gifted DMT [Re: Canon]
    #23930404 - 12/15/16 06:21 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

extremely vastly different in every way

I could have walked around through most of my 5-meo-dmt experiences. it's best when mixed with dmt to improve potency and boost the stimulation of visions


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