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Shrooms aren't the same anymore
    #23916553 - 12/11/16 02:45 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Hi everybody, I wanted to ask anybody willing to answer, a simple question. Have shrooms changed for you over time?

The reason I'm asking this question takes us back a couple of months. I have been experimenting with mushrooms for about a year and in that time have had 15 shroom trips. My first few times were amazing and subsequent times were less "wow this is so new and cool" but still very mentally and visually shroomy. 2.5g in lemon tea would make me trip hard, and the colours and patterns were very vibrant, however, during my last 4-5 trips shrooms have become less magical.

I had a binge about two months ago, which lasted a month, it involved 5 shroom trips, my first LSD trip and countless sub breakthrough DMT trips. The first of the shroom trips was the first experience during this binge. All of the colours and headspace was more beautiful than I think I had ever seen, it was amazing. The second trip, however, was very very flat, despite it being a higher dose than the first. The colors simply were not there, and that negatively affected the headspace, and then the comedown was pretty mediocre if I remember correctly. This trip had been only 2 days after both my LSD experience and my first few DMT trips. I believe that the cross tolerance between LSD and psilocin is responsible for this trip not being as strong as I was expecting, but it doesn't explain the blandness.

As I shroomed more over the following weeks each trip was pretty bland, except for the 4th one, which was better, but mainly due to it being nearly 5g in lemon tea, and it still felt only as powerful as when I would take 2.5g in lemon tea in the earlier days.

My most recent trip was the blandest of them all, granted it was only 2.5g in lemon tea, but before, that used to get me good, this time it was incredibly manageable, very dark colored visuals, and just didn't feel like I was tripping very hard.

I have a few theories, my first one has to do with dmt. It is the constant throughout this time, I started experimenting with it just before the second trip of this binge, and had been smoking it at least once most days for the duration of this binge. The visuals on DMT are always extremely colourful and vibrant, and the headspace is very trippy to say the least. Do you guys think it could be possible that my fairly heavy DMT use was somehow affecting my shroom trips?

Just a note, I think it unlikely to be a result of the variance in the shrooms I am taking as they are an isolated strain and have all been clones of each other for every trip during this binge, however the culture seems to be getting old, could this have something to do with it you think?

Has anything like this happened to any of you guys? If so, is it just a result of your brain getting used to the drug? Or just something that happens after you trip for so long? Or do you think it's related to another medication/drug?

Please chime in, I'm very curious about this. Shrooms have always been my #1 since I started out on them, but the way they have been lately is making me step back a bit. :sad: 

Thanks in advance for any replies!


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Re: Shrooms aren't the same anymore [Re: bestpsybeever] * 1
    #23916565 - 12/11/16 02:49 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

you're overindulging, that's why

trip less frequently


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Re: Shrooms aren't the same anymore [Re: LuzaW] * 1
    #23916592 - 12/11/16 02:59 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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LuzaW said:
you're overindulging, that's why

trip less frequently




:whathesaid:

Most of my trips are planned beforehand. The people I'm going to be with, the setting, the things I plan to do while tripping. Its not something I take lightly. Every experience I have is profound and awe inspiring. Psychs lose their magic fast when overused (abused?).


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Re: Shrooms aren't the same anymore [Re: egobrain]
    #23916603 - 12/11/16 03:04 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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egobrain said:
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LuzaW said:
you're overindulging, that's why

trip less frequently




:whathesaid:

Most of my trips are planned beforehand. The people I'm going to be with, the setting, the things I plan to do while tripping. Its not something I take lightly. Every experience I have is profound and awe inspiring. Psychs lose their magic fast when overused (abused?).




Yeah.  I think I'm going through the same thing right now.  I can only trip on LSD and need to break those trips up by a minimum of 8 weeks for there to be any magic.  But I haven't been able to trip on shrooms properly for over a year. 

My plan is to take a 6 month break from all psychedelics (except for DMT) hoping to "reset" things.  Wish me luck because I've got a long ways to go.  I just took LSD 3 weeks ago...


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Re: Shrooms aren't the same anymore [Re: DustyBottoms] * 1
    #23916619 - 12/11/16 03:10 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Take much larger doses, less often.

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Re: Shrooms aren't the same anymore [Re: Tmethyl]
    #23916660 - 12/11/16 03:23 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I'm in pretty much exactly the same situation you're in.

Was taking mushrooms just about every week for a year, at around 7 Grams each trip... My first 10 trips easily blew away the rest of my trips throughout the year by far...
After a while, I would no longer be transported into a fully-immersive environment with exotic, alien hallucinations that looked as real as reality. I would just get "Trippy Visuals", for the most part.

During the last couple months of that year I used DMT every single day, just like you. Sometimes 2 or 3 times in a day. I figured I would get a super strong DMT experience every single time since the DMT has no tolerance build-up.
After doing that, I basically could not get anywhere near as beautiful an experience with either DMT or Mushrooms as I could in the beginning...

I think you really do need to just let your mind settle back into a sort of normal pattern before you try to totally dissolve the mind-pattern with a Psychedelic experience.
When I was doing Mushrooms and DMT constantly, I didn't even smoke weed. So really the only drug I would ever do was a High-dose Psychedelic.

Now I'm smoking weed again and planning on finding a better time-frame for my trips.
I'm not smoking the DMT I have on me currently because I like mushrooms better and find that tripping more than once a week is useless for me.

But yeah man. It happens. Try to make your trips special, and take larger doses at once. :thumbup:


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Re: Shrooms aren't the same anymore [Re: Tmethyl]
    #23916682 - 12/11/16 03:30 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

What they said + improve your habbits. Don´t let tripping become a regular thing, which happens because of boredom.

Make the most out of your set: Pack your "bags" with amazing sober experiences like visiting beautiful places, parachute, etc. Your conciousness will reward that effort.

Make the most out of your setting: Trip on psytrance festivals, where professionals spend lots of time and money to create a perfect playground for tipping.


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Re: Shrooms aren't the same anymore [Re: DerPda]
    #23917233 - 12/11/16 06:03 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Thanks a lot guys! I always understood that tripping often would cause you to get used to the tripping state, thereby making it less special, but I had no idea it would actually make the experience subjectively different, in the sense that the visuals are so much duller. That's good to know. Sounds like it's time to take a break from shrooms for a while.

With Christmas break right around the corner I plan of having a dmt infused LSD trip with the people I love most, taking your advice on making the experience special, egobrain and mctaveesh.

I find it interesting though, because shrooms were affected by this binge, but my DMT trips have not lost any magic, they are still completely emersive, beautiful visuals as real as reality and all the rest, and I have to have smoked the stuff 50 times in the last month and a half.  I'm hoping that shrooms are the only drug that have been effected because I want my LSD trip to be as good as the last one. To help that along I will do my best to refrain from any psychedelics until then, including DMT... I'll probably smoke a little dmt between now and then, but certainly no shrooms.

Thanks for the help guys, that's releiving. I was worried shrooms were just getting mad at me and it was going to be permanent.

As for what you said, DerPda, I plan on going to the biggest music festival in my country this summer, again with the people I love, I plan on making it as special as possible.

Thanks again for the help guys!


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Re: Shrooms aren't the same anymore [Re: Tmethyl]
    #23917414 - 12/11/16 06:42 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Tmethyl said:
Take much larger doses, less often.

:thumbup:




Exactly. :thumbup:


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Re: Shrooms aren't the same anymore [Re: bestpsybeever]
    #23918031 - 12/11/16 09:38 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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bestpsybeever said:
Hi everybody, I wanted to ask anybody willing to answer, a simple question. Have shrooms changed for you over time?





Yes.  They've gotten better.  But so has my cultivation and attention to tripping mindset, so go figure.  :shrug:

And yeah, space 'em out if you want to keep that kick-you-in-the-head aspect strong.  :thumbup:


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Re: Shrooms aren't the same anymore [Re: bestpsybeever]
    #23918187 - 12/11/16 10:44 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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bestpsybeever said:
Hi everybody, I wanted to ask anybody willing to answer, a simple question. Have shrooms changed for you over time?




Absolutely.

They used to be something I did at parties or just hanging out with friends. Basically just something to take, get messed up, and have a good time with friends. Then I got out of the party scene and the need/desire to get messed up dwindled.

Then a few years ago I decided to check out getting some acid and mushrooms again. I did a ton of reading and started to trip alone and really focus on the experience and what I was getting out of it. Consequently I realized acid does nothing for me beyond the mindscrew and visuals so I stopped getting it. Mushrooms on the other hand, when taken in higher doses on my own really seemed to be full of information and lessons they wanted to impart upon me. I started to listen intently.

So the doses got heavier and further spaced apart. I think it's been almost a year since my last trip of 15g. Maybe sometime soon it'll be time again, but there's no rush. I can still feel the heavy experiences working on me to this day. To go with what Watts said, I've put the phone down for now, but I have no doubt that there will be a call for me again eventually.

Taking mushrooms for the serious teachers they are has been a colossal catalyst upon my life in so many, very positive ways.


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Re: Shrooms aren't the same anymore [Re: fractaloctopus]
    #23921094 - 12/12/16 09:32 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I used to shroom less often, mainly because I used to be in a place where bad trips felt more likely, but after this string of trips I've honestly felt more mentally stable than I have in a long time.

Do you guys think this dullness is limited to shrooms, based on the fact that DMT is as magical as always. Do you guys think LSD would be as good as it was last time considering I have only done it once and that was well over a month ago?


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Re: Shrooms aren't the same anymore [Re: bestpsybeever]
    #23921596 - 12/13/16 02:48 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I think your kind of missing the point of psychedelics

Tripping isn't something that should be done when your bored.

If you just started doing psychs last year and in that whole time you've done
DMT, LSD, Psilocybin and Mescaline and you still want more don't you see how that is somewhat problematic?

Do you meditate on your trips? Maybe you should dry out a bit and ask yourself what you are looking to gain from these experiences in the first place.


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Re: Shrooms aren't the same anymore [Re: bestpsybeever]
    #23921634 - 12/13/16 03:36 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Everyone's already said it, but I'll say it again;
Take a break. :smile:
Focus on your life.

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Do you guys think this dullness is limited to shrooms, based on the fact that DMT is as magical as always. Do you guys think LSD would be as good as it was last time considering I have only done it once and that was well over a month ago?




They're cross tolerant, so it depends when you last took shrooms too.
This is kinda missing the point though;

I did spend the most part of the last 2 years tripping mostly on L, every week or fortnight, for the most part I can say it never seemed to get 'dull', unless it had been less than a week so still tolerancy.
However I found myself tripping for the sake of tripping, and you can get pretty deep into some very strange and not always positive rabbit holes that tail on into sober life, at the expense of real world connections.

The fact that you're saying it's getting dull, probably means it's time to chill out just a while, think about why you're tripping in the first place.

Just a word of caution :smile:


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Re: Shrooms aren't the same anymore [Re: Trypto-Fan]
    #23921680 - 12/13/16 04:36 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

The receptors in your brain are overloaded and overstimulated. You need to stop taking all of them, including DMT for a while. At least wait a month so your tolerances can level out and then make a decision if you want to try it again. Listen to all these old tops in here, your playing it too fast and loose. If you want the trips to be special to you then you must treat it like its special. Not a cig on your coffee break.


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Re: Shrooms aren't the same anymore [Re: Xero1]
    #23922859 - 12/13/16 02:26 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I believe any of this has to do with tolerance, all of my trips have been far enough apart from one another that tolerance shouldn't be an issue, my last shroom trip was 3 weeks after the one before.

I don't think I've been missing the point of psychedelics. I have always planned out my trips, and tried to figure out what I want to accomplish during a trip before ever taking the drug. I've made more progress in my personal growth in this last 2 months than I had in the previous year.

As for focusing on my life, I don't feel that tripping so often has made me unable to do that, as I thought it would. I'm in engineering which is an insanely heavy course load and takes up every minute and ounce of energy every weekday, and I'm handling it better than I ever could've imagined.

I'm not saying I don't need a break, I think the shroom has made that clear. I just don't think tripping often has impacted my day to day life negatively as is often the case with overindulgence of these drugs. I find myself more motivated, happier, less stressed, and less tired than before this crazy little bender, for which I am grateful.

I hope you understand that I am not ignorantely taking these drugs to get high. In fact it's quite the opposite. I'm just so intrigued by the altered states of consciousness, and what can be learned there, and how I can heal and grow, that I wanted to keep exploring. Furthermore I am fortunate enough to have not had enough conflict in my life to feel the need to take a big break between trips. Everything was more or less fine in my life going in, so coming back out had been more of a gentle release back to reality more than a smack down of new realizations which would require time to reintegrate.

I hope you guys understand. It was a bit excessive by some's standards, but I am very grateful for the experience, and now it's time to move on, and come back for more when I feel the call.


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Re: Shrooms aren't the same anymore [Re: bestpsybeever]
    #23923092 - 12/13/16 03:27 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Yeah, it could be the shrooms themselves accounting for a muted experience.  In one sense trips are dosage dependent, although there are plenty of mitigating factors that can enter.  If you grow your own you reap more benefit IME for a variety of reasons, including your personal connection to the fungi that you're growing.

FWIW there's nothing wrong with taking drugs just to get high.  They'll do their helpful thing no matter what your "motivations" might be.  :thumbup:


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Re: Shrooms aren't the same anymore [Re: PrimalSoup]
    #23923387 - 12/13/16 05:26 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I used to say that taking them every 3-4 days was too much but it must have went on for a year where I would constantly on the same dose push close to a level 4

I think this differs for everybody

I've waited like 4 months one time to have an awe inspiring trip and it turned out to be one of the worst ones I've ever had

I can't even begin to understand how some of you can wait that long anyway.. time is precious, 3 weeks is 21 days and how long do we live?

I'll take a little bit of hit to the tolerance


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Re: Shrooms aren't the same anymore [Re: cube talk]
    #23924417 - 12/13/16 09:51 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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I used to say that taking them every 3-4 days was too much but it must have went on for a year where I would constantly on the same dose push close to a level 4

I think this differs for everybody

I've waited like 4 months one time to have an awe inspiring trip and it turned out to be one of the worst ones I've ever had

I can't even begin to understand how some of you can wait that long anyway.. time is precious, 3 weeks is 21 days and how long do we live?

I'll take a little bit of hit to the tolerance




I just don't feel the urgency I did before. I've experienced more trips than I can even remember now, so my curiosity isn't what it used to be. On the other hand, I'm also just so damn busy. Between work, school and just living it seems harder to find the time.

I tend to get a lot more introspective and philosophical now a days as well. Before there was much more emphasis on just having fun and experiencing.


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Re: Shrooms aren't the same anymore [Re: egobrain]
    #23924653 - 12/13/16 11:36 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Yeah, it could be the shrooms themselves accounting for a muted experience.  In one sense trips are dosage dependent, although there are plenty of mitigating factors that can enter.  If you grow your own you reap more benefit IME for a variety of reasons, including your personal connection to the fungi that you're growing.

FWIW there's nothing wrong with taking drugs just to get high.  They'll do their helpful thing no matter what your "motivations" might be. :thumbup:




I absolutely agree with the closeness you feel to the shrooms when they're your babies that you nurish and take care of until you get to experience them. The strain I've been getting my shrooms from has been showing signs of aging, as I said earlier. Should I start working on getting them from a new multispore->isolated strain? Have you heard of senescence causing shrooms to loose potency in such a way that they give weird trips like this?


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