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How do you view Alcohol as a drug?
    #23916224 - 12/11/16 12:48 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Hey Shroomies

How do you view alcohol in terms of it being a drug?

-Do you consider it a hard drug or a soft drug?
-Do you consider how it affects your biochemistry?
-Do you consider set & setting while drinking?
-Would you consider taking brakes if you develop a tolerance.
-Do you try to accentuate your alcohol high?
-How do you view alcohol compared to other drugs?
-Is alcohol recreational or therapeutic for you?
-When you drink how often do you try to get as a high as possible?

You guys can answer just one question or just let out your opinion,
no restrictions here.

Also consider people are now vaping alcohol

For me I consider alcohol a soft drug but I view this not on how it chemically alters my body but on how it is viewed by society as a whole. For me I do not care about set & setting when I drink, When I develop a tolerance I basically stop for a week or two since I would need half a li tre of vodka to get a good buzz on at those levels. I try to accentuate my high if I am out with cigarettes and bitches :wink:

I view alcohol as something that is easily abused, and is not something that is easy to take recreationally like having a pint before a soccer match or any sport.

Is alcohol therapeutic for me? Yes if I have muscle pain while playing soccer I usually go to the side of the pitch and chug a can to relive the muscle pain, It just makes me a bit tired but I usually pop a ritalin whilst chugging the beer so it balances it out, makes me more likely to get fouls though :frown:

Do I try to get as high as possible well yes & no since it depends on the set & setting.


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Re: How do you view Alcohol as a drug? [Re: Nolan92]
    #23916239 - 12/11/16 12:55 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Alcohol is a hard drug, it can kill you in a night or drag you down slow

But its not exactly cocaine or heroin, its somewhere in the middle


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Re: How do you view Alcohol as a drug? [Re: Nolan92]
    #23916240 - 12/11/16 12:55 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

How do you view alcohol in terms of it being a drug?

-Do you consider it a hard drug or a soft drug?  SOFT BUT STILL VERY HARMFUL IF ABUSED

-Do you consider how it affects your biochemistry? NO

-Do you consider set & setting while drinking? YES, I JUST DRINK TO GET FUCKED UP WITH BUDDIES OR WHEN IM OUT ON A DATE.

-Would you consider taking brakes if you develop a tolerance.  NO.  NEVER BEEN A PROBLEM FOR ME UNLIKE OTHER DRUGS.  IF I STOPPED SMOKING WEED I OFTEN WONDER HOW MUCH MORE I WOULD DRINK THOUGH

-Do you try to accentuate your alcohol high?  I DONT UNDERSTAND THE QUESTION.

-How do you view alcohol compared to other drugs?  I DONT REALLY COMPARE IT TO OTHER DRUGS UNLESS PEOPLE GET ON A SOAPBOX AND RAIL AGAINST HOW BAD WEED IS FOR YOU

-Is alcohol recreational or therapeutic for you?  RECREATIONAL

-When you drink how often do you try to get as a high as possible?  I DONT AGREE WITH THE TERM "HIGH" HERE BUT WHEN I DRINK I DO IT TO GET FUCKED UP.  IT"S NOT BECAUSE I LIKE THE WAY IT TASTES


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Re: How do you view Alcohol as a drug? [Re: DustyBottoms]
    #23916244 - 12/11/16 12:58 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Nice nice :wink:

What I mean by accentuate it's like when somone says eat a mango 30 minutes before you smoke and it would make you higher, or taking MAOI's before taking shrooms.


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Re: How do you view Alcohol as a drug? [Re: Nolan92]
    #23916255 - 12/11/16 01:02 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Nice nice :wink:

What I mean by accentuate it's like when somone says eat a mango 30 minutes before you smoke and it would make you higher, or taking MAOI's before taking shrooms.




In that case what could you do to accentuate getting drunk?  Like taking a xanax bar before or during your boozefest? 

At first I thought you meant like acting drunker than you really are.  Which is something I thought only junior high and high schoolers did


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Re: How do you view Alcohol as a drug? [Re: DustyBottoms]
    #23917136 - 12/11/16 05:36 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Nolan92 said:
Nice nice :wink:

What I mean by accentuate it's like when somone says eat a mango 30 minutes before you smoke and it would make you higher, or taking MAOI's before taking shrooms.




In that case what could you do to accentuate getting drunk?  Like taking a xanax bar before or during your boozefest? 

At first I thought you meant like acting drunker than you really are.  Which is something I thought only junior high and high schoolers did




You can :smile:

But Xanax or Valiums while drinking make me black out and not knowing what's happened. When I take a pill while drinking what usually happens is 30 min's later I wake up in my bed or a friends bed not knowing what the fuck happened.


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Re: How do you view Alcohol as a drug? [Re: Nolan92]
    #23917147 - 12/11/16 05:38 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Alchohol is more like a poison I'd say, poison for your nervous system. Or are all drugs poison?


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Re: How do you view Alcohol as a drug? [Re: trees]
    #23917175 - 12/11/16 05:49 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

They say anything is a poison given the right dosage.







"Hard drug" isn't a term I really favor, but I'd say alcohol qualifies as much as anything else. You can die from withdrawal, enough said.

I've never really had any problem doing without it, despite being from an ethnic background known for drinking problems. I do go overboard with it on occasion though. In comparison I get much stronger cravings for weed.


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Re: How do you view Alcohol as a drug? [Re: psi] * 2
    #23917198 - 12/11/16 05:56 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Alcohol is a pretty shitty drug... that's kinda great.


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Re: How do you view Alcohol as a drug? [Re: NizzyJones]
    #23917796 - 12/11/16 08:28 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

It sucks.  But I still like to drink Cuba Libre's:shrug:


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Re: How do you view Alcohol as a drug? [Re: pinedownpioneer]
    #23917818 - 12/11/16 08:35 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I usually can handle my liquor well. That's partly the problem. . .


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Re: How do you view Alcohol as a drug? [Re: Nolan92]
    #23917914 - 12/11/16 09:02 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Hey Shroomies



-Do you consider it a hard drug or a soft drug?
-Do you consider how it affects your biochemistry?
-Do you consider set & setting while drinking?
-Would you consider taking brakes if you develop a tolerance.
-Do you try to accentuate your alcohol high?
-How do you view alcohol compared to other drugs?
-Is alcohol recreational or therapeutic for you?
-When you drink how often do you try to get as a high as possible?







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alcohol is in pure forms extremely hard, even in it's softer forms it can be used to harmful excess.

yes i know it is horrible to drink high proof alcohol

set and setting i think are irrelevant when it comes to drinking personally unless you end up doing something really fucking dumb and end up in jail/hurting yourself/complete embarrassment... these things are just by products of being (a) drunk

no wagon got no breaks- you yell whoa! at the beast pulling

not really sure what you mean by accentuate? i like to smoke weed and do other things to compliment. i also like to hit a sweet spot if just drinking.

they are all drugs, i don't really compare them other then i actually am involved in liquor sales on a certain level. people like drugs they will find and take drugs, alcohol would be public enemy number one if i were to compare

therapeutic might be an optimistic outlook on the consumption

no i have defeated alcohol, if i try and get as high as possible i put myself in unnecessary harm just like anything there is a glass ceiling where that is as good as it gets. just because we excess in extreme recklessness doesn't mean it is any better, thats just you (ego) doing it's trip

this is coming from someone who spends 40ish hours a week dealing with alcohol for a living, even having personal loss and anguish with alcohol involved as a major component i don't blame the chemical/product.


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Re: How do you view Alcohol as a drug? [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #23917939 - 12/11/16 09:06 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I view it as a hard drug similar to benzos/ghb
most people can handle drinking but its very addictive to about 15% of those that use it. All drugs have different side effects and when abused alcohol definitely is one the the worst drugs out there. meth is probably worse on the body and mind but alcohol is particuraly dangerous because of the possibly fatal withdraws,blackouts,violent behavior, and social acceptance. Its just about the best drug out there for social anxiety and just like cannabis its is unique because of the different forums and varities, so its not just about the intoxicating effects but theres a whole culture around it. Its just about the worst drug out there when it comes to impacting driving ability unfortunately. over alchol is awesome and it is a hard drug, causes lots of problems with society, although most of its users don't suffer to greatly. to the people that do get addicted to it, its as bad an any heroin addiction


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Re: How do you view Alcohol as a drug? [Re: Nolan92]
    #23917947 - 12/11/16 09:07 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Probably.my least favorite drug, that being said I still drink a lot


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Re: How do you view Alcohol as a drug? [Re: Nolan92]
    #23917996 - 12/11/16 09:23 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I currently don't drink any alcohol, and have never been into drinking it regularly, it's just not my thing.

I have enjoyed wine in the past, or the occasional nice beer, and some liquor is nice, but I don't like to get drunk unless I am doing it with a handful of people.

I have never had a problem with alcohol, and never will, it's just not my thing.:shrug:


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Re: How do you view Alcohol as a drug? [Re: Nolan92]
    #23918028 - 12/11/16 09:37 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Alcohol is interesting because it has different properties from drink to drink. Drinking beer is different than taking shots of vodka, for instance.

Shots or liquor always seems like bordering on a hard drug, whereas beer and wine seems more like a soft drug.

And of course quantity and frequency of use is important, because it is definitely physically addictive.

Small quantities, infrequently, then it's a so-so, soft drug.

Frequently and in large quantities, then of course it's a destructive, hard drug.


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Re: How do you view Alcohol as a drug? [Re: Chakra Shock]
    #23918040 - 12/11/16 09:43 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Alcohol is more of an intoxicant than a drug. I seeps into every cell and disrupts normal function. While most drugs target a particular cell type or class, alcohol just fucks with everything.


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Re: How do you view Alcohol as a drug? [Re: Chakra Shock]
    #23918043 - 12/11/16 09:44 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

It can also be beneficial to your health. I try to drink a little bit everyday, but it's not easy to keep it up when you live in a state that doesn't sell wine at the grocery stores


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Re: How do you view Alcohol as a drug? [Re: Nolan92]
    #23918050 - 12/11/16 09:47 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Alcohol is a hard drug no doubt. Really the only drug that could kill anyone with withdrawals. 

Benzos can kill you but it's rare and the people who die are always teenage girls. Opiates alone don't kill you but staying locked in an apartment dope-sick will if you don't eat and drink water.

I actually consider alcohol the worst drug to abuse. A few tall boys and some pot never kill anybody though. 

Well, maybe if they drove...


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Re: How do you view Alcohol as a drug? [Re: Chakra Shock]
    #23918054 - 12/11/16 09:49 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Shots or liquor always seems like bordering on a hard drug, whereas beer and wine seems more like a soft drug.







Shots always wake me up for a bit, they feel more electric, beer/wine make me chill more.


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Re: How do you view Alcohol as a drug? [Re: czech]
    #23918057 - 12/11/16 09:50 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I'm biased as I personally loathe it, but I consider it a somewhat hard drug but mainly a boring drug for me personally. It had some novelty in high school that ended as soon as I tried weed :shrug:


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Re: How do you view Alcohol as a drug? [Re: czech]
    #23918062 - 12/11/16 09:52 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

the thing about drugs being addictive or dangerous has just as much to do with personal chemistry. im an alcoholic/poly substance abuser and to me alcohol is my heroin. ive done oxymorphone, morphine, oxy and other weaker opiates and to me they have almost no recreational value. I tried to like them and I have a super addictive personality but thank fucking god they just don't do anything for me. for me alcohol is 100000X more addicting than opiates.So for me alcohol is a "harder" drug then heroin. But really addiction is all dependant on the person. No hard drug is any more addicting than another. For Alcohol, Cocaine, and opiates, about 15% of people who try them will have dependency issues regardless of substance of choice


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Re: How do you view Alcohol as a drug? [Re: czech]
    #23918078 - 12/11/16 09:58 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Sponsors should stat selling booze sounds like they'd make a killing in here fuck spores..:crazy:

Booze is fine by me cars have enough safety gadgets it is pretty self controlled cause if i drink too much i puke or pass out, bartenders are great at cutting me off, fights are funnier and cops give ya a free place to pass out if my legs wont get me home or if i am just being a dick.

On the other hand a dealer just wants more money for any real drugs n will give ya as much as your pockets can handle n cops will just charge ya.


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Re: How do you view Alcohol as a drug? [Re: spaceyvibess]
    #23918122 - 12/11/16 10:17 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Yeah but withdrawals from alcohol are liable to kill you. Like, physically.


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Re: How do you view Alcohol as a drug? [Re: Lucis]
    #23918132 - 12/11/16 10:20 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Fennario said:
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Shots or liquor always seems like bordering on a hard drug, whereas beer and wine seems more like a soft drug.







Shots always wake me up for a bit, they feel more electric, beer/wine make me chill more.





I guess every substance or intoxicant will have some degree of personal effects, or that it's possible to have personal relationships with the effects of said substances.

I haven't had a proper shot in well over a year so it would most likely have a slightly different effect on me now than it used to.


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Re: How do you view Alcohol as a drug? [Re: Chakra Shock]
    #23918145 - 12/11/16 10:24 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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I haven't had a proper shot in well over a year so it would most likely have a slightly different effect on me now than it used to.





True.

It's been longer than a year since I have had a shot, so things might be different for myself as well.


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Re: How do you view Alcohol as a drug? [Re: Lucis] * 2
    #23918364 - 12/12/16 12:54 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Ive had some pretty deep, thoughtful even spiritual experiences on alcohol.

Definitely a dynamic drug for sure.


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Re: How do you view Alcohol as a drug? [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #23918466 - 12/12/16 02:17 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

-Do you consider it a hard drug or a soft drug?
Somewhere in the middle, but closer to soft

-Do you consider how it affects your biochemistry?
Somewhat, because I dont seem to enjoy as much as others

-Do you consider set & setting while drinking?
Yes, I only drink moderate amounts in social settings

-Would you consider taking brakes if you develop a tolerance.
I never plan on developing a tolerance

-Do you try to accentuate your alcohol high?
Yes, because it kinda sucks on its on. Better with weed or kratom or a stimulant

-How do you view alcohol compared to other drugs?
Its a mediocre one, but also the most easily accessible and makes socializing easier

-Is alcohol recreational or therapeutic for you?
Recreational, although one drink can be crudely therapeutic

-When you drink how often do you try to get as a high as possible?
At most maybe 3 times a year, and generally when theres no other substances involved


To sum this up, the only reason I drink is because its generally the most commonly used social substance . I greatly prefer the effects of weed, but I find the majority of people dont derive social enhancement from it, unless its maybe a small intimate group. I think stimulants do a much better job as they energize and increase the urge to socialize, but theyre generally viewed as less "healthy" and are much less accessible. Benzos do a better job of killing inhibition and lowering anxiety, but they're almost too clean I think, not delivering the same euphoric boost that alcohol does


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Re: How do you view Alcohol as a drug? [Re: OliverJames]
    #23918726 - 12/12/16 07:00 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

It has many bad points, but it's the best social drug in the world. I remember even in my 30's when nearly all my friends had left my grad school town. On Saturday night I remember thinking should I stay home alone or should I go to this neighborhood place and have 5 drafts alone. 

      So I moved back to my home town and quickly learned how to be a regular. Now your life is completely different. I never think about going out and being alone. I go out and, and maybe I'm killing myself, but I'm doing it very slowly. I'm almost 60, my med exams come back really good. I do 50 pushups a day.  I pay almost nothing; I stock cases and throw away the used bottles, and not to get too complicated, but my tip is most of what I pay.

    Two other benefits, I'm not the greatest pool player in the world, but I'm good. I lost my right eye in June, and ironically it has not effected my game at all. Apparently if you're right handed your right eye has no effect in pool.

      The other thing is on weekends. especially you get some assholes who want to maybe threaten you directly or eyefuck you. Not to elaborate, but my friends (good guys but more aggressive) surround them and ask them if they want to get their ass kicked inside the bar our outside.

      So back to the original question. Alcohol is destructive, yes, but lite beer is a very slow demise, maybe 5 years out of my whole life, and how good would those last years be. I know about shrooms and alcohol, but IDK, I'm not questioning my decisions at this point, but I'm mostly enjoying my later years.


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Re: How do you view Alcohol as a drug? [Re: Brian Jones]
    #23918745 - 12/12/16 07:11 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

-Do you consider it a hard drug or a soft drug? iT'S A HARD DRUG

-Do you consider how it affects your biochemistry? YES AND IT ANNOYS ME

-Do you consider set & setting while drinking? YES, I NEVER DRINK IN PUBLIC

-Would you consider taking brakes if you develop a tolerance. YES BUT UNFORTUNATELY ADDICTION DOESN'T WORK THAT WAY NOW DOES IT?

-Do you try to accentuate your alcohol high? WITH WEED? SURE

-How do you view alcohol compared to other drugs? AS DANGEROUS AS ANY OTHER DRUG THAT CAN MAKE YOU COMMIT CRIMES WHILE INTOXICATED AND KILL YOU IN THE LONG TERM

-Is alcohol recreational or therapeutic for you? RECREATIONAL, BUT ITS JUST WHAT I DO AT THIS POINT

-When you drink how often do you try to get as a high as possible? NEVER, I KNOW MY SWEET SPOT AND I KEEP IT THAT WAY


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Re: How do you view Alcohol as a drug? [Re: Nolan92]
    #23918835 - 12/12/16 08:12 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Nolan92 said:

-Do you consider it a hard drug or a soft drug?
-Do you consider how it affects your biochemistry?
-Do you consider set & setting while drinking?
-Would you consider taking brakes if you develop a tolerance.
-Do you try to accentuate your alcohol high?
-How do you view alcohol compared to other drugs?
-Is alcohol recreational or therapeutic for you?
-When you drink how often do you try to get as a high as possible?





- As hard as my cock while my nose rests nestled under a young latino's 2 day unwashed ballsack.
- Yes, and the hospitals do as well.  I've been several times due to my alcoholism.  My spit is pink sometimes due to the mixed blood from my esophageal erosion.
- Yes, and the type ov alcohol varies accordingly.
- Breaks?  A break is moderating with beer after hospitalizations and forced abstinence with animated hallucinations ov dead people like Aleister Crowley and Burroughs.
- The accent you ate was an '08 Hyundai.  Took it right in the driver door like a raped top into the bottle at a horny Turk's house.
- It's unique and versatile.  A stimulant, a depressant, and a psychedelic all the same.  One's addiction fits one's dereliction and imaginatory life fiction.
- It's recreational and therapeutic, and de-creational and debilitating.  It's a poly whore like Babalon.
- Usually not because i do'nt want more hospital bills to evade.


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