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TedTheHighlighter
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Outdoor yields?
#23915857 - 12/11/16 10:13 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Okay, first let me say that I am not looking for an exact answer. I understand that its pointless to ask "how much will I get". I am just trying to have a discussion about outdoor cubensis grows and how they yield in general. I'm not sure if biological efficiency would be a viable tool for outdoors or if maybe spawn to yield ratios are a better measurement. But I am interested in hearing about other people's outdoor grows and how they did. So if anyone has any input about their experience I'd love to hear it
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Do you have a general game plan? What is it you're trying to accomplish, and with what materials?
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Re: Outdoor yields? [Re: Adden]
#23916473 - 12/11/16 02:16 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Here are some cubes I grew outdoors a couple summers ago: 
Edit: started with agar then li to brf jars, spawned to this special topsoil a university was working on that summer + some verm, covered with wild straw I found, then watered every few days.
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TedTheHighlighter
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Plan: Start with agar (hopefully, if I get a pressure cooker). Transfer to grains. Expand via grain-to-grain. inoculate straw logs with the grains. Use the colonized logs to make outdoor patches with moe's tek (https://www.shroomery.org/8494/Moes-Outdoor-Growing-Tek)
This would be my first grow by the way, so please excuse any ignorance and what not
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TedTheHighlighter said: Plan: Start with agar (hopefully, if I get a pressure cooker). Transfer to grains. Expand via grain-to-grain. inoculate straw logs with the grains. Use the colonized logs to make outdoor patches with moe's tek (https://www.shroomery.org/8494/Moes-Outdoor-Growing-Tek)
This would be my first grow by the way, so please excuse any ignorance and what not
If that is the route you want to go then good vibes your way
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TedTheHighlighter
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TedTheHighlighter said: Plan: Start with agar (hopefully, if I get a pressure cooker). Transfer to grains. Expand via grain-to-grain. inoculate straw logs with the grains. Use the colonized logs to make outdoor patches with moe's tek (https://www.shroomery.org/8494/Moes-Outdoor-Growing-Tek)
This would be my first grow by the way, so please excuse any ignorance and what not
If that is the route you want to go then good vibes your way 
What is your take on that route? Sound like a good plan?
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spirit_shadow
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If it is your first grow maybe you want to do pf tek on the side just in case you know? Have you ever worked with agar before?
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^ Always have two irons in the fire.
When I do pftek, I would knock up another rack of jars 2 weeks apart. Worked great, except they took forever to pin since my SGFC was retardedly too large.
OP, are you planning on starting a patch? Really all you need to do once the mycelium establishes itself, is feed it poo water, and every once in awhile throw more spawn at it for genetic variance. I guess you could also run pftek and clone the best clusters on agar and run your project from there. It'll prevent your bed from being multispore, but no horizontal gene transfer will occur.
If you're gonna keep a perpetual bed, you can eventually clone the outdoor specimens and get ones the size of your hand. You could also use rye, and grow rye grass in a patch, justifying the purchase of a 50lb bag.
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Re: Outdoor yields? [Re: Adden]
#23921736 - 12/13/16 05:45 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Yeah, I was considering making a couple half pint cakes to do on the side just incase the outdoor attempts fail. I was planning on taking a few clone specimens from my outdoor patches. To answer your questions, I would certainly like for the patches to be viable long term, and no I have not worked with agar before. So I'll definitely keep the advice in mind about both keeping up the patch and doing a little pf tek on the side.
My thinking towards the plan as a whole was that 1) I am trying to keep most of the mushrooms outside my home which is why I chose outdoors 2) Most people say agar isn't too challenging even for beginners 3) If I spawn to straw I can really get a lot of mycelium since straw requires such a low spawn rate AND I was planning on doing a few gourmet mushroom logs so I can use the same process throughout up until fruiting
So anyways, that's the plan at the moment, although I do have another 3 months or so before I can really begin since its winter. So what are some thoughts on my plan? Anyone do anything similar in the past? And if anyone has, what kind of yields did they get?
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TedTheHighlighter
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Basically, I wanna know if anyone has grown outdoors before, what their method was, and what their yield was. Advise is also appreciated
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https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/21856836
My contamination pile a couple years ago. Got a pound+ out of it.
I live in a plant hardiness zone 2 as well.
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My contamination pile a couple years ago. Got a pound+ out of it.
I live in a plant hardiness zone 2 as well.
For "tropical" produce, cubes can really surprise me the way they can grow in the cold. How much contaminated substrate went into that patch? And did you add anything to the spawn?
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A couple tubs worth went in there. I actually used much less spawn than normal. Probably less than. A 1:10 ratio. It was back when I was doing low spawn ratios for fun and had a few tubs contaminate on me.
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TedTheHighlighter
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Well I live in zone 7b so I'm in pretty good shape there, especially compared to your situation. Also let me just say Mad Season, it's an honor to have a trusted cultivator like yourself helping me out.
So let's just say I have a few straw logs with about 5 quarts or so of colonized spawn in them. Could I bury, say, 20 quarts of spawn with some manure and hope for (not expect, hope, because I know you can't expect anything) a nice yield of like half a pound dry?
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Mad Season
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I don't see why not I'd bet you'd see more than half a pound tho if you made it a big enough bed
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Awesome, thats good to hear. Well if anyone else has any outdoor threads/pics/details I'd love for you to share them
And thanks again Mad Season
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I just started getting my first outdoor flush, it was a very small bed, and took about a month and a half to actually flush. Watered twice a day, sometimes stopped to see if that was the reason, but I didn't use much spawn. I hypothesize the more spawn you use to coir or poo or whatever your substrate is, the faster it'll fully colonize and hopefully flush.
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Oh and the flush wasn't much. I just plucked a small one earlier and it was 8g wet. There's definitely more though that aren't done maturing.
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TedTheHighlighter
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Can I get some details? How much spawn, was poo/coir added and whats your temps?
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Definitely, i live in a subtropical climate, bordering the gulf coast of mexico. Temps lately have been from 85 degrees fahrenheit during the day, to 60 degrees during the day. The nights are usually in the 70's, but have gotten to the 50's during coldfronts.
Obviously psilocybe cubensis, strain is thai lip yai.
I only used 1 pint of fully colonized brf.
I used coir, and the ratio was random. I simply put the brick in the bucket and poured water on it. Just water out of the faucet is wasn't hot i didn't worry about pasteurizing or anything.
I wasn't expecting much, and well i didn't get much. I didn't weigh the flush either, neither did i pick all of them because they aren't done growing. I ate some more i had harvested earlier and did a lemon tek with them, and am coming down off of a good trip.
Anyways i wouldn't really advise on this and if your thinking about doing this i would stick to a tek for ratios and what not. Especially if you want good yields.
I also have a monotub colonizing.
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