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OfflineGungaDin
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Mushroom ID
    #23915011 - 12/11/16 12:09 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Habitat:
Pasture on cow poo

Gills:
Dark Brown/Grey

Stem:
Long, thin stem

Cap:
Brown/Gold on cap top

Spore print color:
Mostly black, slight blue/purple tinge

Bruising:
Dark blue/black

Other information:
Strong mushroom scent





Thanks :crazy:


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Re: Mushroom ID [Re: GungaDin]
    #23915032 - 12/11/16 12:16 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

What part of the world are you in?  I'm going to throw out a guess of Copelandia bispora or cyanescens but wait for a TI to give you a definitive id


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Re: Mushroom ID [Re: PluteusMaximus]
    #23915039 - 12/11/16 12:20 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Panaeolus cyanescens, good find man. Hasn't rained down here in a while i can't wait until spring/summer.


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Re: Mushroom ID [Re: Ancestoralbeings]
    #23915070 - 12/11/16 12:40 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Oh sweet :grin: Thanks for the replies, that was quick.
There's still a few around after the rain this past week (mid north coast, nsw). Goodluck guys  :peace:


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Re: Mushroom ID [Re: Ancestoralbeings]
    #23915107 - 12/11/16 12:52 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Panaeolus cyanescens, good find man. Hasn't rained down here in a while i can't wait until spring/summer.




those are a neat find ...btw aka Copelandia cyanescens, not sure which name is more proper.


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Re: Mushroom ID [Re: PluteusMaximus]
    #23915135 - 12/11/16 01:19 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I call them Panaeolus cyanescens.


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Re: Mushroom ID [Re: PluteusMaximus]
    #23916037 - 12/11/16 11:28 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Ancestoralbeings said:
Panaeolus cyanescens, good find man. Hasn't rained down here in a while i can't wait until spring/summer.




those are a neat find ...btw aka Copelandia cyanescens, not sure which name is more proper.



Copelandia is a genus of active pans i think... Panaeolus is the actual scientific genus.


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Re: Mushroom ID [Re: Ancestoralbeings]
    #23916049 - 12/11/16 11:34 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

All actives from Copelandia where moved to Panaeolus


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Re: Mushroom ID [Re: RiverDweller1]
    #23916056 - 12/11/16 11:35 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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All actives from Copelandia where moved to Panaeolus



So copelandia was the original name?


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Re: Mushroom ID [Re: RiverDweller1]
    #23916060 - 12/11/16 11:37 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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All actives from Copelandia where moved to Panaeolus




This was before genetic work was done and now that its done we should really be using the Copelandia names. On the other hand Panaeolina species are actually Panaeolus.


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Re: Mushroom ID [Re: Byrain]
    #23916070 - 12/11/16 11:39 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

wait what, I was literally channeling you when I said that  :mad:


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Re: Mushroom ID [Re: RiverDweller1]
    #23916075 - 12/11/16 11:41 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copelandia
I know it's wikipedia but is this accurate? if so i'll be calling them copelandia from now on.


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Re: Mushroom ID [Re: Ancestoralbeings]
    #23916097 - 12/11/16 11:53 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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wait what, I was literally channeling you when I said that  :mad:




Well, check out Alan's phylogenetic trees on the genus. They seem pretty clear to me. :smile: I don't think any publications have been made, but its really up to the people that use the names to decide.

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copelandia
I know it's wikipedia but is this accurate? if so i'll be calling them copelandia from now on.




The new data as was mentioned above done in genetic studies by Alan and others, there are shroomery thread on it somewhere. The phylogenetic trees show a divergence in Panaeolus and Copelandia which seems best explained by how they are different, yet closely related genera. While in the past Gerhadt who did the most comprehensive work on Panaeolus to date thought were actually the same genus, but he didn't have the benefit of modern genetic studies and that is an easy mistake to make. Its simply that wikipedia has not been updated to reflect current unpublished knowledge, additionally its wrong in that old genera concepts are not deprecated so much as newer better genera concepts are accepted. Assuming if published to the correct standards the old names are still very valid and in the event the new names turn out to be bogus its perfectly acceptable to use the older names instead. My understanding is that deprecated is a software term that was erroneously applied to taxonomy in websites like mushroom-observer who failed to take into account classic taxonomic practices and this has since spread to places like wikipedia.


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Re: Mushroom ID [Re: Byrain]
    #23916416 - 12/11/16 01:59 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

So I take it that deeply bluing Panaeolus are better suited in Copelandia, where does P. bisporus fit in?


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Re: Mushroom ID [Re: maynardjameskeenan]
    #23917646 - 12/11/16 07:30 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I think p. bisporus would fit into copelandia because it bruises blue, correct?


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Re: Mushroom ID [Re: Ancestoralbeings]
    #23917718 - 12/11/16 07:55 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Its Copelandia because it has thick walled metuloid pleurocystidia, a microscopic feature observed on the gill face. Panaeolus species will not have this feature. Copelandia collections often stain blue strongly while Panaeolus collections rarely do, but this is not set in stone and there have been strongly staining Panaeolus collections and Copelandia collections with very little blue staining.


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