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Would a sober and inexperienced trip sitter be okay?
    #23914892 - 12/10/16 11:15 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I've had an eighth of shrooms waiting for the right moment for over 3 weeks now. I decided I would trip after finals so I would have to stress about exams during my trip. I'm really excited to trip because I just got interested in psychedelics in August and I just found mushrooms 3 weeks ago. It will be my first psychedelic.
The problem is that I don't have an experienced tripper who could trip sit me. There's someone at school who I know trips but I don't know him enough so it might make me uncomfortable to trip with him.
My friend N is interested in tripping also but he hasn't done it, and isn't planning on doing it anytime soon. He said that he'd be down to hang out with me and trip sit me on my first trip, but he doesn't want to trip. He's really chill and we can have long ass conversations about a lot of things. What do you guys think?


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Re: Would a sober and inexperienced trip sitter be okay? [Re: luishroomer] * 1
    #23914961 - 12/10/16 11:42 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I have always been someone who doesnt like trip sitters. Tripping alone is superior by far, another person is so complicated. What can the sitter really do for you anyways, besides weird you out?


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Re: Would a sober and inexperienced trip sitter be okay? [Re: The Mycologist]
    #23915022 - 12/11/16 12:12 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Fuck having a trip sitter. Stupidest concept IMO. What the hell is the point what can they do anyways? Mushrooms shouldn't be used to relieve stress. Go smoke some weed if you need to relieve stress. On an eighth of shrooms you won't be able to have long conversations anyways. He would be sitting there annoyed because he won't understand what is going through your mind, at all.

Now, if you got more shrooms both of you tripping is a whole other story, it can be a nice bonding experience. But a sober trip sitter, unless your 10 years old you'll be fine dude.


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Re: Would a sober and inexperienced trip sitter be okay? [Re: Ancestoralbeings]
    #23915067 - 12/11/16 12:39 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I had my ex (girlfriend at the time) with me for my first one. And she kept doing all of these scary actions that made me jumpy, like staring at me for ages: her distorted face looked so fucking alien. I think unless your doing a high dose being alone is the best choice for me.


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Re: Would a sober and inexperienced trip sitter be okay? [Re: Ancestoralbeings]
    #23915071 - 12/11/16 12:41 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

If you feel like you need it go with it.

I would let him read that first, it's a small tripsitter/guide book that might help the tripsitter understand his job in the trip.

Other option is tripsit.me which is an online chatting zone with people tripping there all the time asking for guidance and help. very friendly, and they even have chat types such as assistance, sanctuary for relaxed and laid back chat And immediate assistance chat for... immediate assistance :smile:.

Tripping alone is awesome, though for a first-timer it's not always the best option... I mean everything is gonna be alright either way but sometimes it can be comforting to have a close friend with you.
he might even think joining you on your next trips after sitting with you and getting to know the effects on people.


Your choice, I have no recommendation as it's your own trip. and tripsit or not isn't a grand issue.

Remember that everything wears off eventually and you WILL be back to normal, so always keep that in mind.

Take the ride, let go completely.. learn the most you can.


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Re: Would a sober and inexperienced trip sitter be okay? [Re: psilosalvia]
    #23915262 - 12/11/16 05:03 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Never had a trip sitter, but was  around lots of sober people in my times tripping. I prefer to trip alone, and i usually take 3-6 100ug tabs, Im plannig on taking 3-4 with some mdma today.

I was a "trip sitter" once..My buddy and his gf dropped 1.2MG for a phish concert. I dropped 2 tabs, then 2 more a little later. I ended up candyflipping, they did too but mine was much less intense, the concert was bomb though.

Theres been other times, where I am on the highest dose, and am acting like a trip sitter, no worries, follow my lead ect, just comes down on how comfortable you are with the psychs. If you come in thinking you will have a bad trip, it may happen. I usually tell myself "I took some bomb ass drugs, this is going to be the best trip to-date." Ive had to tell myself that one throughout difficult trips before. Usually weed is what sets me off, no weed and I am usually a-okay.


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Re: Would a sober and inexperienced trip sitter be okay? [Re: psilosalvia]
    #23916443 - 12/11/16 02:08 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I asked my friend if he would want to trip after finals. He said it might be cool but he's not sure yet. So i just asked him to think about it and decide after the stress of finals is over. I want to split it but the thing is that mushrooms are hard to find around here. It would be a bummer if we only get a mellow trip from half an ounce. I weigh 130 and I'm 5'11, would being that skinny make a difference?


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Re: Would a sober and inexperienced trip sitter be okay? [Re: luishroomer]
    #23917089 - 12/11/16 05:25 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Ounce, you mean eighth right? I really think you should eat the eighth alone, less than 2 grams is gonna be pretty mild.


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Re: Would a sober and inexperienced trip sitter be okay? [Re: The Mycologist]
    #23917528 - 12/11/16 07:05 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Yeah I meant an eighth my bad. I decided to take the whole thing. I've done a lot of research so and I think I can handle almost anything that could happen. My two friends are coming and they'll both be sober and if I want some alone time then that'll be fine.


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Re: Would a sober and inexperienced trip sitter be okay? [Re: luishroomer]
    #23918185 - 12/11/16 10:43 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I recommend tripping by yourself and having someone nearby who can check up on you every once in awhile. That's just my opinion though, I personally don't like tripping around sober people because since we're not on the same level they usually end up tripping me out.


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Re: Would a sober and inexperienced trip sitter be okay? [Re: luishroomer] * 1
    #23918194 - 12/11/16 10:48 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Trip sitting is such a stupid idea, what are you gonna do to need a sitter, and what are they gonna do to help you in any way if you have a problem?

Grow up and learn to drive your own bus. Seriously if you need a sitter on shrooms than you need a sitter IRL. Period.


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Re: Would a sober and inexperienced trip sitter be okay? [Re: czech]
    #23918658 - 12/12/16 06:00 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: Would a sober and inexperienced trip sitter be okay? [Re: TransientExistence]
    #23918697 - 12/12/16 06:34 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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TransientExistence said:
I recommend tripping by yourself and having someone nearby who can check up on you every once in awhile. That's just my opinion though, I personally don't like tripping around sober people because since we're not on the same level they usually end up tripping me out.




I'd recommend having a trip sitter especially if it's your first time and you don't know the quality of your product.  If it's really potent, you may end up going a little farther than you anticipated.

Make sure your trip sitter follows these rules:

DON'T call anybody - even if I ask you too
DON'T take me to a hospital - even if I ask you too
Don't talk to me or check up on me unless I initiate the conversation - basically leave me the hell alone.
Don't let me leave the house or other safe area (until maybe after the peak)

By far, chances are that nothing will go wrong and you won't need a trip sitter, but I've personally seen a person having a bad trip on a high dose.  She was trying to call her parents (that would have been a disaster, but she couldn't figure out how to work a phone - hahaha).  At one point she even started screaming and I had to calm her down.  Again, I'd say this was a rare extreme case, but who knows if I wasn't there if she'd have left the house and met some neighbors or asked someone to go to the hospital and gotten in trouble.

If your friend is a true friend, they'll get a book and hang out in the other room for 2-3 hours and not bother you.  Later, after you peak, you might take a walk together and see nature outside, but I'd avoid crowds.


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Re: Would a sober and inexperienced trip sitter be okay? [Re: Bernard]
    #23918721 - 12/12/16 06:56 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I concur with most. It's stupid to have a trip sitter. I thought that too, when I wanted to first trip, because I didn't understand what the trip would be like. most are excited but still scared to trip. DONT BE. It's the happiest and best experience you'll ever have, there's no reason to worry or think you need someone there. They will only weird you out and, if anything, make you more apt to having a bad trip, for many reasons. Not worth explaining, but trust me.

Also, on the other hand, since it's your first time, I advise against an eighth. It's a lot for a first time, BUT this is where the misconception comes in. I think 3.5 is the recommended first dose because of how unlikely it is to get completely dried shrooms. From my experiences, no one fully dries their shrooms with a dehydrator/all the way. And if they do, by the time it gets to you, it's reabsorbed moisture that it's not accurate. So, unless you bought them 100% dry and kept them in a jar, the weight is inaccurate and it's hard to judge. Just as someone above said, less than 2 will be pretty mild: HIGHLY UNTRUE. I'd suggest 1.5g first time, completely dry. It's better to undershoot than overshoot imo. I did .75 (after not having done it in over a year) and it was the best trip I've ever hard. It's all about the setting and time in your life. Just make sure your day is clear, no one will be near you to bother you, and just relax. Don't have plans, just chill and relax. You can decide what you want to do when it happens. Enjoy!

P.s. on top of dryness factor, you also have to consider your stomach contents, which for some reason, most people fail to mention. Eating 3g with a meal, is going to be a million times different than eating 3g on empty stomach(not eating for 4 or so hours). So, in other words, eating 1.5 with a meal might be mild, as someone stated, BUT if you eat it on empty stomach, it will be pristine. Enjoy!


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Re: Would a sober and inexperienced trip sitter be okay? [Re: camerinkw]
    #23918987 - 12/12/16 09:47 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

camerinkw said:

Also, on the other hand, since it's your first time, I advise against an eighth. It's a lot for a first time, BUT this is where the misconception comes in. I think 3.5 is the recommended first dose because of how unlikely it is to get completely dried shrooms. From my experiences, no one fully dries their shrooms with a dehydrator/all the way. And if they do, by the time it gets to you, it's reabsorbed moisture that it's not accurate. So, unless you bought them 100% dry and kept them in a jar, the weight is inaccurate and it's hard to judge. Just as someone above said, less than 2 will be pretty mild: HIGHLY UNTRUE. I'd suggest 1.5g first time, completely dry. It's better to undershoot than overshoot imo. I did .75 (after not having done it in over a year) and it was the best trip I've ever hard. It's all about the setting and time in your life. Just make sure your day is clear, no one will be near you to bother you, and just relax. Don't have plans, just chill and relax. You can decide what you want to do when it happens. Enjoy!

P.s. on top of dryness factor, you also have to consider your stomach contents, which for some reason, most people fail to mention. Eating 3g with a meal, is going to be a million times different than eating 3g on empty stomach(not eating for 4 or so hours). So, in other words, eating 1.5 with a meal might be mild, as someone stated, BUT if you eat it on empty stomach, it will be pristine. Enjoy!




I agree 100%.  One of the issues with mushrooms is knowing exactly what dose you're getting.  I've personally seen how a cracker dry mushroom can gain some weight back just by sitting out in a partially humid environment (possibly causing you to under dose).  Genetics of the shrooms can make a big difference.  As camerinkw says, a full stomach seems to slow things down and lessen the affects.  How you take it can also play a significant role (tea, eating straight up, lemon, etc.)

That's why I'm recommending someone be hanging around (not necessarily holding your hand the whole way if you know what I mean).  If all of the factors line up right, and you take the whole 8th, you might end up somewhere you didn't expect to be.


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Re: Would a sober and inexperienced trip sitter be okay? [Re: luishroomer]
    #23919145 - 12/12/16 10:50 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Don't take a whole fucking eighth. Also don't take half an eighth.

You need better dosage ideas bro. I'd say 2.5 grams at the most.


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Re: Would a sober and inexperienced trip sitter be okay? [Re: czech]
    #23920821 - 12/12/16 07:52 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I do not agree with the idea that trip sitting is for a kind of lesser tripper, scared to face whatever is happening alone. I think that it is extremely irresponsible for people to be telling someone dosing for their first time that they need to go into the experience alone, and that if they don't then they're automatically some kind of pussy.

I personally enjoy tripping alone, and never really have any issues  controlling myself or become too separated from reality to hurt myself or get into trouble, but if i was worried that i might, or didn't know whether or not that might possibly occur, because i had never tripped before, then i would definitely prefer to lower myself to the status of being watched over by someone who is completely grounded in reality to assure me that i was ok. ESPECIALLY if it was my first trip.

For my first several trips, i was with another person or several people who were also tripping, along with maybe a sober person or 2 who would just chill with us. While we didn't really go out of our way to get a sitter, it was definitely comforting to know that if we ended up getting out of hand for whatever reason, our friends would be able to solve it with their normal world powers.

If the OP has not tripped before, then i can totally understand why he would want his sober friend to be with him, so that even if he doesn't need him, he can at least feel less worried about running into complications on this drug that is new to him. After getting the jist of what a trip is like, and understanding roughly of what an experience for him with shrooms may be like, he can decide in the future whether he would like to attempt to go it alone or not, and should he decide to, will hopefully be slightly more experienced and prepared then he was the first time.

In my opinion, and experience it is always better to be safe than sorry with psychedelics, even if a bunch of people on a drug forum call you a pussy for not tripping the way that they trip. I personally enjoy the introspection of tripping, and definitely find it difficult to think about things in regards to my own life when tripping around others, but i also enjoy the amazing conversations that can come from the shift in perspective when you are with others. the introspective thoughts are a major part of the psychedelic experience, and I'm sure that some would argue the most important and only part that really matters, but you will always have the future to trip alone and think about the important things. If you feel like someone else should be there to ensure that things run smoothly, then imvite them over, talk with them, hang with them. Make sure you ask them ahead of time if they would be cool with leaving you for a bit to chill If they're weirding you out, or you just don't feel like being around others, or things are just getting too intense for you to talk. once you have enough experience, you won't worry about not being able to control yourself, or something going wrong, because you'll already know what to expect.

While it's fine to trip alone your first time, and maybe even preferable so that you can see what shrooms really have to offer in terms of thinking about things, I would advise that you approach it with caution, and that if you think you should have a sitter because you don't know what will happen, that you don't let anyone stop you and potentially put you at risk, just because they never needed one.

Good luck with your trip, whatever you decide to do.
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Re: Would a sober and inexperienced trip sitter be okay? [Re: Totemtripper]
    #23921552 - 12/13/16 01:38 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Man it's so hard to decide how much to dose. I know they aren't completely dry because I can bend the stem and it doesn't snap. I can't really dry them myself though because I rarely have the chance to be alone at home, and I'm planning on tripping the next time I know I'll be the only one home. I'm really tempted to take the whole thing but I know it can go wrong. I might take 2.5 grams. Maybe I'll take 1 gram the first time to test the potency and the next time I'll take 2.5. I don't know, but I shouldn't stress about it as much as I do. Thanks for the help guys, if I'll decide what to do somehow and just ride it out and try not to worry about whether I've taken too much or too little.


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Re: Would a sober and inexperienced trip sitter be okay? [Re: luishroomer] * 1
    #23921566 - 12/13/16 01:52 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I'd say don't go less than 1.5 and no more than 2.5


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Re: Would a sober and inexperienced trip sitter be okay? [Re: luishroomer]
    #23921570 - 12/13/16 01:57 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

No. An inexperienced person would be horrible. I've been there. I asked my friend to be my trip sitter and she was so bad. She kept fucking with me and doing obnoxious things just for the fact that I was tripping. At one point she had her hand around my neck. They think that since you're tripping, it's okay to act weird and mess with you. An experienced person would know to let you vibe out and only react when the tripper is acting too obscene. I don't even like to have a trip sitter. I purposely wait until everyone is out of the house so I can do what I want in peace. It's not that hard to take care of yourself when you know what you're doing. I'd say you'd be fine on 2-2.5 for your first time though. Good luck.


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