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Re: Is the grey matter of all self-dentified conservatives some sort of guano composite? [Re: Bigbadwooof]
#23913780 - 12/10/16 04:40 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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he's having a conversation. truth begins in lies.
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Re: Is the grey matter of all self-dentified conservatives some sort of guano composite? [Re: akira_akuma]
#23913803 - 12/10/16 04:45 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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he's having a conversation. truth begins in lies.
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i hope America keeps polarizing.
I completely agree!
This country isn't polarized enough for my liking, way too many times have republicans just been going along to get along and whether they are doing it becuae they agree with the democrats or just want to get invited to all the big Washington parties, that's not why we have opposing parties. They SHOULD be diametrically opposed to one another
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Re: Is the grey matter of all self-dentified conservatives some sort of guano composite? [Re: millzy]
#23913812 - 12/10/16 04:47 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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qman said: Who's actually creating change in the world today?
Are the corporate lobbyists buying the lawmakers in Washington liberal? NO.
Are the people at the Pentagon running the world's most powerful military liberal? NO.
Are the CEO's, board of directors and shareholders running the largest global corporations liberal? NO.
the reigning ideology in all of those groups is neoliberalism, which is a central component of conservative ideology. it's a distortion of classical liberalism. and it's been around since reagan. so again, status quo, going backwards etc. etc. etc.
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Are the professors at universities lecturing naive students on theoretical concepts liberal? YES.
i'm curious as to what you couch this opinion on. what universities have you attended? what was your major? what classes did you take? or are you just repeating an opinion that fits with your worldview?
I was a business major, I took accounting, finance, marketing, statistics, business law, management, economics, ect. I'm not sure what that has to do with anything.
I graduated almost 25 years ago, there was no PC stuff at my university, things have changed for the worst.
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Re: Is the grey matter of all self-dentified conservatives some sort of guano composite? [Re: The Ecstatic]
#23913844 - 12/10/16 04:52 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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millzy said: says the poster whose posts are so toxic that he/she/it has actually been accused of being a paid right wing troll. but i digress...
to op's point, i think many people just want their thinking done for them. our brand of conservatism offers a lot of easy answers to complicated questions. and i think conservatism should be singled out here, not because it relies on an echo chamber of bullshit to enforce its own ideas, but because conservatism seems to offer a type of political orthodoxy. conservatism is not just an answer, it's THE ANSWER. dissenters simply "don't understand the world". and that's literally true if you think about it because the world of conservatism is entirely constructed of dogmatic beliefs. there is no observation that could be capable of contradicting conservative dogma, which is why liberals and conservatives talk right past each other.
it all comes down to underlying assumptions. while both conservatives and liberals agree that the world is changing, the former assumes the status quo is ideal while the latter assumes it must be redefined. as far as the question of which group has more fools goes, the answer to that seems to revolve around if the status quo is truly ideal. i don't believe it is.
It think it's a false assumption that many "conservatives" don't want socioeconomic change.
What has the election of Trump and the vote of Brexit taught us? Conservatives wanted change and the status quo was not "truly ideal".
Trump's tagline is literally a reference to the past, and Brexit is about returning Britain to its former glory.
Thats regression. If you want to call it change, fine, but lets not confuse that with progress.
"reference to the past...returning... to its former glory...That's regression"
Yeah, going back to the top would be a failure.
Having a strong working middle class and eliminating wealth/income inequality isn't "regression".
What Obama and the EU did to it's people was true regression.
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Re: Is the grey matter of all self-dentified conservatives some sort of guano composite? [Re: qman]
#23913856 - 12/10/16 04:54 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Thats all well and good, but dont sit here and tell people the GOP is totally fond of new ideas.
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Re: Is the grey matter of all self-dentified conservatives some sort of guano composite? [Re: millzy]
#23913860 - 12/10/16 04:55 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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millzy said: corporate liberalism is the right.
Yet, self described liberals are promoting it, while many true conservatives denounce it.
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Re: Is the grey matter of all self-dentified conservatives some sort of guano composite? [Re: qman] 1
#23913867 - 12/10/16 04:57 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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qman said: I was a business major, I took accounting, finance, marketing, statistics, business law, management, economics, ect. I'm not sure what that has to do with anything.
I graduated almost 25 years ago, there was no PC stuff at my university, things have changed for the worst.
Oh, but you know a lot about college nowadays, huh? lmao
I didn't realize you were so old, that explains a lot, really.
By the way, it's 'for the worse'.
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Re: Is the grey matter of all self-dentified conservatives some sort of guano composite? [Re: The Ecstatic] 1
#23913874 - 12/10/16 04:58 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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The Ecstatic said: Thats all well and good, but dont sit here and tell people the GOP is totally fond of new ideas.
I can't think of one new idea they support, actually, unless you go out on the Libertarian limb, which is derived from leftist ideology in the first place.
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Re: Is the grey matter of all self-dentified conservatives some sort of guano composite? [Re: Bigbadwooof]
#23913908 - 12/10/16 05:06 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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qman said: Who's actually creating change in the world today?
Are the corporate lobbyists buying the lawmakers in Washington liberal? NO.
Are the people at the Pentagon running the world's most powerful military liberal? NO.
Are the CEO's, board of directors and shareholders running the largest global corporations liberal? NO.
Are the professors at universities lecturing naive students on theoretical concepts liberal? YES.
What is your evidence that the students of these colleges are 'naive'? Are the professors also naive?
You know, a general disdain for intellectual is one of the principles of Fascism. You tick almost every box of Fascist ideals. You really ought to reflect on that fact.
Most 18 to 22 year old people are naïve, myself included at that age.
"Are the professors also naïve?"
I'm sure some are as well.
"disdain for intellectual"
No, just people that try to dictate how I should think, otherwise they attempt to label someone with an -ism, sound familiar?
"You tick almost every box of Facist ideals"
Advocating freedom of speech, freedom of drugs, freedom of religion, freedom of marriage, freedom of travel, freedom of economic opportunity, freedom of guns rights, while enforcing existing borders and immigration laws is not fascism.
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Re: Is the grey matter of all self-dentified conservatives some sort of guano composite? [Re: qman] 1
#23913938 - 12/10/16 05:15 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Except liberals arent dictating shit.
Trump is the one who has, on multiple occasions, advocated criminalizing dissent.
Same goes for flag burning. Same goes for practicing Islam. Or Satanism. Or kneeling for the pledge. Or protesting in general.
Don't confuse being offended and wanting to criminalize something.
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Re: Is the grey matter of all self-dentified conservatives some sort of guano composite? [Re: The Ecstatic]
#23913984 - 12/10/16 05:29 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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The Ecstatic said: Except liberals arent dictating shit.
Trump is the one who has, on multiple occasions, advocated criminalizing dissent.
Same goes for flag burning. Same goes for practicing Islam. Or Satanism. Or kneeling for the pledge. Or protesting in general.
Don't confuse being offended and wanting to criminalize something.
This has nothing to do with Trump, BTW there's plenty of liberals who got their way in the legal system to punish dissent.
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Re: Is the grey matter of all self-dentified conservatives some sort of guano composite? [Re: qman] 1
#23913985 - 12/10/16 05:30 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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qman said: Who's actually creating change in the world today?
Are the corporate lobbyists buying the lawmakers in Washington liberal? NO.
Are the people at the Pentagon running the world's most powerful military liberal? NO.
Are the CEO's, board of directors and shareholders running the largest global corporations liberal? NO.
Are the professors at universities lecturing naive students on theoretical concepts liberal? YES.
What is your evidence that the students of these colleges are 'naive'? Are the professors also naive?
You know, a general disdain for intellectual is one of the principles of Fascism. You tick almost every box of Fascist ideals. You really ought to reflect on that fact.
Most 18 to 22 year old people are naïve, myself included at that age.
"Are the professors also naïve?"
I'm sure some are as well.
"disdain for intellectual"
No, just people that try to dictate how I should think, otherwise they attempt to label someone with an -ism, sound familiar?
"You tick almost every box of Facist ideals"
Advocating freedom of speech, freedom of drugs, freedom of religion, freedom of marriage, freedom of travel, freedom of economic opportunity, freedom of guns rights, while enforcing existing borders and immigration laws is not fascism.
So, you're saying most college students are not naïve?
18-22 year olds account for less than 35% of college students.
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Re: Is the grey matter of all self-dentified conservatives some sort of guano composite? [Re: qman] 1
#23914018 - 12/10/16 05:41 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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qman said: freedom of religion,
Except you support a ban on muslims entering the country.
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freedom of travel,
Except you support stop and frisk. Maybe you ought to amend that to say 'freedom of travel for white people'.
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freedom of economic opportunity,
Except you're against free trade.
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while enforcing existing borders and immigration laws is not fascism.
No, but Fascist leaders have, historically, pinned the ills of society on a particular racial group, and advocated doing away with that group, in one way or another.
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Re: Is the grey matter of all self-dentified conservatives some sort of guano composite? [Re: qman]
#23914021 - 12/10/16 05:41 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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The Ecstatic said: Except liberals arent dictating shit.
Trump is the one who has, on multiple occasions, advocated criminalizing dissent.
Same goes for flag burning. Same goes for practicing Islam. Or Satanism. Or kneeling for the pledge. Or protesting in general.
Don't confuse being offended and wanting to criminalize something.
This has nothing to do with Trump, BTW there's plenty of liberals who got their way in the legal system to punish dissent.
I'd love an example.
And yes, conservatives all over this country tied their wagon to Trump for at least 4 years, you dont get to disavow him 3 weeks later.
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Re: Is the grey matter of all self-dentified conservatives some sort of guano composite? [Re: Bigbadwooof]
#23914057 - 12/10/16 05:51 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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qman said: freedom of religion,
Except you support a ban on muslims entering the country.
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freedom of travel,
Except you support stop and frisk. Maybe you ought to amend that to say 'freedom of travel for white people'.
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freedom of economic opportunity,
Except you're against free trade.
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while enforcing existing borders and immigration laws is not fascism.
No, but Fascist leaders have, historically, pinned the ills of society on a particular racial group, and advocated doing away with that group, in one way or another.
"ban on Muslims entering the country"
Freedom of religion applies to US citizens, don't confuse if with an immigration policy. 
"you support stop and frisk"
Are you some sort of mind reader? When have I ever stated my opinion on this policy?
"you're against free trade"
When currencies are NOT allowed to trade freely like we have today, that is NOT free trade.
Deporting illegals isn't fascism, nice try.
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Re: Is the grey matter of all self-dentified conservatives some sort of guano composite? [Re: qman] 1
#23914421 - 12/10/16 08:06 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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I was a business major, I took accounting, finance, marketing, statistics, business law, management, economics, ect. I'm not sure what that has to do with anything.
I graduated almost 25 years ago, there was no PC stuff at my university, things have changed for the worst.
you claim to know all about college and college students and you were attending in the 80s and 90s. that doesn't lend any credibility to what you're saying, especially since - to your admission - none of what you say is happening now was happening then. and i was genuinely curious if you actually went to college because you tend to express what i see as a narrow worldview. a business degree would fall right in line with that worldview.
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Re: Is the grey matter of all self-dentified conservatives some sort of guano composite? [Re: millzy]
#23914426 - 12/10/16 08:10 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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millzy said:
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qman said:
I was a business major, I took accounting, finance, marketing, statistics, business law, management, economics, ect. I'm not sure what that has to do with anything.
I graduated almost 25 years ago, there was no PC stuff at my university, things have changed for the worst.
you claim to know all about college and college students and you were attending in the 90s. that doesn't lend any credibility to what you're saying, especially since - to your admission - none of what you say is happening now was happening then. and i was genuinely curious if you actually went to college because you tend to express what i see as a narrow worldview. a business degree would fall right in line with that worldview.
Translation: You're not a progressive, you must be a LIAR!
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Re: Is the grey matter of all self-dentified conservatives some sort of guano composite? [Re: hostileuniverse]
#23914430 - 12/10/16 08:12 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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i never called anyone a liar. i just think he's wrong, and i believe i can now see why his views are so spurious.
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Re: Is the grey matter of all self-dentified conservatives some sort of guano composite? [Re: millzy]
#23914464 - 12/10/16 08:28 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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millzy said: ...a business degree would fall right in line with that worldview.
That's exactly what I thought lol. I have taken a lot of business classes, and they certainly weren't eye-opening.
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Re: Is the grey matter of all self-dentified conservatives some sort of guano composite? [Re: millzy]
#23914555 - 12/10/16 09:08 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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I was a business major, I took accounting, finance, marketing, statistics, business law, management, economics, ect. I'm not sure what that has to do with anything.
I graduated almost 25 years ago, there was no PC stuff at my university, things have changed for the worst.
you claim to know all about college and college students and you were attending in the 80s and 90s. that doesn't lend any credibility to what you're saying, especially since - to your admission - none of what you say is happening now was happening then. and i was genuinely curious if you actually went to college because you tend to express what i see as a narrow worldview. a business degree would fall right in line with that worldview.
I have two nieces currently enrolled in college, one undergrad and one in graduate school. So yes I do have an insight into what is happening, also my brother is doing his Masters degree online.
Just because I was a business major doesn't mean I didn't take many social science classes as well.
"narrow worldview"
How so? I call it the way I see it, would you prefer me to sugarcoat my viewpoints?
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