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spacechildo
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Re: Extremely affordable method to roughly monitor CO2 concentration (for FAE automation) [Re: blindingleaf]
#23915345 - 12/11/16 06:59 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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I dont see any hate here, all I see is a confused OP misreading RR quotes and thinking since RR says to fan a sgfc that means we all fan monotubs for FAE, which we all know isnt true.
the best way to know if your air is stale in a tub is to look at the mushrooms, not the reading of some co2 meter. the meter doesnt tell you what your culture wants, the mushrooms does.
If you want more FAE in a tub, loosen the poly. a monotub is automated so no need to do unnecessary work that probably only will screw things up for you
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Re: Extremely affordable method to roughly monitor CO2 concentration (for FAE automation) [Re: Arcanum]
#23915351 - 12/11/16 07:06 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Arcanum said: Second of all, having more control (or at least having the ability to monitor) CO2 levels allows more of an opportunity to dial in optimal conditions. Just because you can get a decent pin set in a tub with holes in it doesn't mean they're getting as much fresh air as they could (you have no way of knowing without a CO2 meter) or that you couldn't get better yields more reliably with better/more consistent FAE.
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Arcanum said: I'm not even looking for shit tons of shrooms anyway. Why is that a problem?
First you insinuate that one of the reasons you are doing this is for better yield, and then you negate it by saying you are not looking for a better yield.....? 
Secondly YOU CAN tell if they are getting enough FAE simply by looking at the fruits and the substrate and reading what it wants/needs, which comes with experience. No need for a co2 meter of any kind.
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Re: Extremely affordable method to roughly monitor CO2 concentration (for FAE automation) [Re: PussyFart]
#23915625 - 12/11/16 09:05 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Yep what space and PF said.
If this was just for fun then by all means go for it op! But you made it sound like this is the only way of figuring out what mushrooms want, when in reality all you need to do is learn every reaction they put off and accommodate to it.
Keep in mind, the reason people are saying that OP should do tubs, isn't because they hate him.. they don't want him to waste his time and money for something that isn't needed, at all.
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Re: Extremely affordable method to roughly monitor CO2 concentration (for FAE automation) [Re: Mad Season] 2
#23915658 - 12/11/16 09:16 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Honestly the number 1 problem with all these threads is the presentation. If the OP was shortened to: "hey guys I'm gonna try to rig up an automated grow room. I know I could just do a tub and it would be easier, but I want to feel the challenge of dialing in a real automated setup." Bam. No more problems.
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Re: Extremely affordable method to roughly monitor CO2 concentration (for FAE automation) [Re: Pastywhyte] 1
#23915713 - 12/11/16 09:31 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Arcanum said: Let me know what you think. 
we did. and got a 
i looked up the calibration of the mq135 and its ridiculously fussy.
OP- correct me if wrong but if the power goes out or something you have to re-calibrate the sensor? so the system is off while this happens? how long does this take? considering power could be out for awhile the automation aspect falls apart and since its limited to its setup, the mushrooms are shut in a box with no FAE happening.
that sucks.
solution would be to have a passive system that doesnt require extra technology.
to quote Montgomery Scott in 'the search for spock' 'The more they overthink the plumbing, the easier it is to stop up the drain.'
Edited by mushboy (12/11/16 10:37 AM)
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Re: Extremely affordable method to roughly monitor CO2 concentration (for FAE automation) [Re: Pastywhyte]
#23915719 - 12/11/16 09:32 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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maybe if he dropped statements like "many people fan for FAE" and then misuse rr quotes to prove they do when told otherwise I'd agree.
it just seems to me many people think its not automated if its a passive system, that somehow using computer controllers hooked up to fans and stuff will make their grows better or somehow automated in "the right way"
seems people put more effort into thinking about what they themselves want, and not so much what the mushrooms want.
the quote " it would be badass" suggests to me he wanna show off some space station going blip blop with lights and sounds and call it megasystem 3000, it gets kinda frustrating for both parts probably when we're trying to explain it would only be counterproductive.
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Re: Extremely affordable method to roughly monitor CO2 concentration (for FAE automation) [Re: spacechildo]
#23915758 - 12/11/16 09:43 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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What's funny af is the RR quotes just proved cronicrs point. RR is measuring co2, but he himself states that stale air is what contaminations thrive off of, not just co2. He uses something that measures all PPMs. Stale air doesn't need to be saturated with co2 for it to be considered stale. It gets stale by getting saturated with other things like exotoxins or ammonia and sulfides.
And none of those quotes once said "we fan for FAE." So...
Edited by Mad Season (12/11/16 10:17 AM)
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Re: Extremely affordable method to roughly monitor CO2 concentration (for FAE automation) [Re: Mad Season]
#23915873 - 12/11/16 10:19 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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For testing purposes, I have a 6,400 cubic cm Sterlite container with a 60mm hole at the top (CO2 sinks, I know, but this is just a test)
CO2 doesn't sink. It's infinitely miscable it mixes with air nearly immediately and forms a homogeneous air mixture
Co2 will settle out sightly in huge sealed containers.
Even in the beer industry there's the misconception that co2 blankets
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Re: Extremely affordable method to roughly monitor CO2 concentration (for FAE automation) [Re: bodhisatta]
#23915886 - 12/11/16 10:24 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Here's a question: I remember doing an experiment in grade school where you mix baking soda and vinegar in a jar to make CO2. Without spilling the liquid, you tip the jar over an open flame and, the way it's explained in class, the CO2 spills out, sinks, and extinguishes the flame. What is is that causes the CO2 to sink in this case? Or is there another gas at work extinguishing the flame?
Most of my other experience with it is refrigerated liquid CO2 used in large fog machines, so it's a topic I understand little about as it pertains to atmospheric CO2.
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Re: Extremely affordable method to roughly monitor CO2 concentration (for FAE automation) [Re: r.lutece]
#23915927 - 12/11/16 10:38 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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you're making a ton more co2 than a fruiting substrate ever would in a life time in just a matter of seconds there. not the same situation at all.
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Re: Extremely affordable method to roughly monitor CO2 concentration (for FAE automation) [Re: r.lutece]
#23915940 - 12/11/16 10:43 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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That is concentrated co2 (probably 90+% co2 produced in an instant) far beyond anything you'd see in either a sealed room or the atmosphere, what you dont see is lots of particles dissipating into the air around it. The majority of it will go to the bottom, but in no time at all it will get mixed into the atmosphere again.
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Re: Extremely affordable method to roughly monitor CO2 concentration (for FAE automation) [Re: r.lutece]
#23915941 - 12/11/16 10:43 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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r.lutece said: Here's a question: I remember doing an experiment in grade school where you mix baking soda and vinegar in a jar to make CO2. Without spilling the liquid, you tip the jar over an open flame and, the way it's explained in class, the CO2 spills out, sinks, and extinguishes the flame. What is is that causes the CO2 to sink in this case? Or is there another gas at work extinguishing the flame?
Most of my other experience with it is refrigerated liquid CO2 used in large fog machines, so it's a topic I understand little about as it pertains to atmospheric CO2.
concentration gradient
the diffusion starts from the aperture of the bottle which is near the flame. it could be explained as pouring but really it's diffusion and the concentration gradient as it diffuses quickly away from the bottle
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Re: Extremely affordable method to roughly monitor CO2 concentration (for FAE automation) [Re: bodhisatta]
#23915946 - 12/11/16 10:45 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Like the difference between drinking a glass of water and waterboarding. . .
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Re: Extremely affordable method to roughly monitor CO2 concentration (for FAE automation) [Re: Pastywhyte]
#23915958 - 12/11/16 10:51 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Don't know why dudes getting shit on. He's clearly putting a decent amount of work for his own personal pleasure and is sharing it with the board
I am curious to see what comes of it just for some more knowledge.
Keep it up OP
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Re: Extremely affordable method to roughly monitor CO2 concentration (for FAE automation) [Re: Pastywhyte]
#23915960 - 12/11/16 10:52 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Pastywhyte said: Like the difference between drinking a glass of water and waterboarding. . .
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Re: Extremely affordable method to roughly monitor CO2 concentration (for FAE automation) [Re: Moabfighter] 1
#23915967 - 12/11/16 10:54 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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can you show me where he's being shit on in your opinion? I just dont see it  we've all shot down his implications that we fan for fae..but other than that I simply dont see what you and a couple others here are pointing at.. care to help me understand? a quote or link to post would be real helpful!
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Re: Extremely affordable method to roughly monitor CO2 concentration (for FAE automation) [Re: Moabfighter] 1
#23915982 - 12/11/16 11:00 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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op got shat on because hes trying to replace fanning for automated FAE. the problem is fanning doesnt provide fae. his point is invalid. user error. file not found. bad command line. ect..
automated grow chambers sound cool if you want it. but to myself the whole process of watching and reacting to what the mushrooms are telling me is the essence of why i grow the mushroom in the first place. besides the drugs effect.
and no one flammed or trolled OP. i just said fanning isnt fae and got the treatment
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Re: Extremely affordable method to roughly monitor CO2 concentration (for FAE automation) [Re: spacechildo]
#23915988 - 12/11/16 11:03 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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IMO people are trying to help him... correct me if I'm wrong. He seems to not have much experience, and they're trying to help him learn to walk (interpret mushroom/mycelial reactions) before he runs (makes a chamber with gizmos up the ass that accommodates to those reactions)
Is a person who needs more experience really the kinda person who should attempt this? If this was azur, pasty, cron, etc I wouldn't be saying anything but just saying..
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Re: Extremely affordable method to roughly monitor CO2 concentration (for FAE automation) [Re: mushboy]
#23915997 - 12/11/16 11:07 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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mushboy said: op got shat on
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and no one flammed or trolled OP.

I dont see any flaming or shitting on myself thats why I wanted to know what moab was seeing that I'm clearly not seeing.
I saw OP got a bit hissy when we told him the RR quotes doesnt say what he think they does, but nothing worth mentioning really..
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Re: Extremely affordable method to roughly monitor CO2 concentration (for FAE automation) [Re: Mad Season]
#23916000 - 12/11/16 11:07 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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