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Paul_Bab
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pineal gland?
#23914201 - 12/10/16 06:34 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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I had a trip a few months back with 5g liberty caps. This trip wasn't the most profound I've had but the visuals were probably the most intricate and crisp I've seen. What has stuck with me is that right where I was peaking I had a feeling of what I can only describe as an "orgasm" of some sort concentrated in the centre of my forehead. I say orgasm because it felt really really good and at the same time, complete euphoria, ecstasy and kinda turned on. I'm not quite sure what was going on at the time. Everything was quite confusing on that trip.
Now every time I have a joint and get reasonably stoned, I am quite aware of that spot right in the centre of my forehead. Almost a duller feeling to when I first felt it. It's not been quite so strong every time I've tripped since, but it's there.
Just wondered if anyone could shed some light on what's happening here. Or had the same experience. I've looked up the pineal gland and found a little out about that. Activating the third eye comes up a lot. I like the idea of this, but can't really find anything about what's actually going on in there.
Anyway, any information is gladly received. thanks guys
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Re: pineal gland? [Re: Paul_Bab]
#23914235 - 12/10/16 06:46 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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a theory of raw energy being the feeling that an orgasm is manifested from, raw chi,, subtle and activated forms,, be around any male or female, with strong and active energii you should feel it, whole world runs on it..
I feel like we as in humans, descended from a pleasure realm, like a realm of pure sexual energy and expression, and just about anyone can get a feel of this in their lifetime,
Think about what we are in a globe of 8 billion people some hellbent on fucking eachother, or someshit..
There's also, Chakti a mystical feminine energy described as mother of creation in hindu vedic scripts..
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Re: pineal gland? [Re: Paul_Bab]
#23914659 - 12/10/16 09:54 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Not pineal gland, the ajna chakra (look it up). Especially with that "orgasm" thingy going on. 
Uhm, well what's actually going on there, at least in words, is an opening to subtle energy flow. This is often felt as some sort of bliss or euphoria. There's no particular science to back it up, but a lot of people report it with mushrooms, often without ever having hear of the chakras before...
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Your brain is just releasing dopamine to flood your neurotransmitters. It's a response to an atypical neurotransmitter such as psilocybin being introduced into your endocrine system.
The same EXACT feeling you describe can be achieved by smoking crack. In fact the one time I did it I bust one flaccid.
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Re: pineal gland? [Re: czech]
#23914888 - 12/10/16 11:12 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Psilocybin is not a neurotransmitter.
The ancient system of chakras may have no physical counterpart in modern neurophysiology yet it's quite curious how those old buggers get it quite right when it comes to spontaneous awakening experiences. 
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Yes it is actually, psilocin is a potent agonist for several neurotransmitter receptors, it is in fact, a neurotransmitter, same as DMT, same as 5-ht, same as dopamine and LSD. If it agonizes a receptor in the brain it is a neurotransmitter.
Serotonin is actually 5-hydroxy-tryptamine, where as say, bufotenin is 5-hydroxy-dmt, psilocybin is 4-hydroxy-dmt.
read up before you spout bullshit haha
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Psilocybin is rapidly dephosphorylated in the body to psilocin, which is a partial agonist for several serotonergic receptors. Psilocin has a high affinity for the 5-HT2A serotonin receptor in the brain, where it mimics the effects of serotonin (5-hydroxytryptamine, or 5-HT). Psilocin binds less tightly to other serotonergic receptors 5-HT1A, 5-HT1D, and 5-HT2C.[1] Serotonin receptors are located in numerous parts of the brain, including the cerebral cortex, and are involved in a wide range of functions, including regulation of mood and motivation.[67] The psychotomimetic (psychosis-mimicking) effects of psilocin can be blocked in a dose-dependent fashion by the 5-HT2A antagonist drugs ketanserin and risperidone.[50] Although the 5-HT2A receptor is responsible for most of the effects of psilocin, various lines of evidence have shown that interactions with non-5-HT2A receptors also contribute to the subjective and behavioral effects of the drug.[61][nb 5] For example, psilocin indirectly increases the concentration of the neurotransmitter dopamine in the basal ganglia, and some psychotomimetic symptoms of psilocin are reduced by haloperidol, a non-selective dopamine receptor antagonist. Taken together, these suggest that there may be an indirect dopaminergic contribution to psilocin's psychotomimetic effects.[20] In contrast to LSD, which binds to dopamine receptor D2, psilocybin and psilocin have no affinity for the dopamine D2 receptors.[1]
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Re: pineal gland? [Re: czech]
#23914954 - 12/10/16 11:39 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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PrimalSoup has the right idea, in my opinion as well it's the opening of energy centers in the body which produces this feeling.(Chakra system) Wether its the play of brain chemicals that makes you aware of this is besides the fact
@czech PrimalSoup is far from spreading false information, its odd you really think the psychedelic experience is just a release of dopamine? There's far more going on in the brain than any one of us can understand and its naive to pin it down to just a simple release of chemicals there would be no difference between Psilocybin and Crack, at least not in your reality, I'm sure you use them both just to get high.
PS. Psilocybin is 4-Phosphorloxy-DMT not 4-hydroxy-dmt
PrimalSoup said Psilocybin isn't a neurotransmitter, and it's not - it's not even active before converting to Psilocin - you're talking about Psilocin, you're all backwards and mixed up.
Only one I see spewin false facts is you 
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Edited by Eclipse3130 (12/10/16 11:47 PM)
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No, psilocybin also releases dopamine, but it acts on the same receptor as dopamine as well, it causes neurotransmitters to fire in a different way hence increasing things such as sensory perception and power of assumption. Crack releases dopamine but it does not affect the same receptor with it's structure.
God you guys seriously need to read TiHKAL and PiHKAL, read up on the science of sleeping, neurochemistry and different transmitters because you are all buying into hippy bullshit with no basis in fact or evidence. There is no such thing as chakra, we know exactly how chemicals translate to much of the psychedelic experience.
Anything that agonizes a neuroreceptor is a neurotransmitter. That is the definition.
God I need to smoke pot you all have me about to have a spastic fit over this. Anytime the word pineal gland is spoken it's like it summons all the "crystals have power" types.
Tell me all about chemtrails next huh?
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Re: pineal gland? [Re: czech]
#23915175 - 12/11/16 02:13 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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It's okay you carry separate beliefs but there is a growing plethora of "crystal power believers" out there pure crystals have the power to hold and radiate energy(intention thought form) you can see it under the microscope with simple water molecules, it's a known science how thought form and projection change the form of what we are directing to, as well as being well known with LSD and DMT crystalline structures, intention transfers straight through - even chemist Nick Sand vouches for this, the whole point of going for a pure end product is so intention can transfer through with ease. Chakras are real because we invented them, they are focus points, not physically real things..
Psilocybin is not active on it's own, it has to dephosphorlate to reach the active ingredient.
Belief is a powerful tool, it can be your enemy as much as it can be your friend.
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I have the exact same thing from the more profound highs of weed and when I just think about my third eye after doing so much third eye meditation. When I get to the state you're talking about all I can see is indigo flames behind my eyes which is pretty cool. It's a very real thing, so many experiences relating to it that it's almost inexplicable by the English language
Edit: Another theory also is the people feeling this including myself are convincing themselves by manifesting the feeling and experiences. Thousand year old ideas from a very different culture than ours that has some of the most important teachings in the world, not a horrible thing to manifest.
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Pineal gland? Thats weak.
Try opening your Weainial gland instead, its way more advanced.
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Paul_Bab
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Re: pineal gland? [Re: czech]
#23915224 - 12/11/16 04:00 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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I think I'm swerving more toward your thinking. I have read about the third eye etc but I'm more sceptical with the crystals and stuff you mentioned.
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Re: pineal gland? [Re: Paul_Bab]
#23915235 - 12/11/16 04:27 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Since my last shroom trip (3 weeks now) I have my "3rd eye" (I really don't like this term) vibrating a lot.
This sensation came with two other things:
1) I'm a lot more sensitive and compassionate.
2) I didn't even have one night that I wasn't dreaming. Sometimes 2-3 dreams a night. And I'm not a dreamer, before that trip I was dreaming maybe 1 to none dreams a month.
Now I feel that there is a link between them two, but I can't put my finger on it.
And please don't talk to me about chakras and energies.. I'm allergic to these concepts.
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It's okay you don't have to, science is reaching a point of understanding to explain spirituality
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ZacksJourney said: Since my last shroom trip (3 weeks now) I have my "3rd eye" (I really don't like this term) vibrating a lot.
This sensation came with two other things:
1) I'm a lot more sensitive and compassionate.
2) I didn't even have one night that I wasn't dreaming. Sometimes 2-3 dreams a night. And I'm not a dreamer, before that trip I was dreaming maybe 1 to none dreams a month.
Now I feel that there is a link between them two, but I can't put my finger on it.
And please don't talk to me about chakras and energies.. I'm allergic to these concepts.
The dream thing was the first side effect I noticed from the same feeling and I never used to dream.
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They are far away from that, that is because most of them don't even try, and the ones who are, nobody takes them seriously.
I do believe in what is called spirituality, but I think that we have put too much bullshit into it, with all the healing and loving and "I'm better than you because I'm a spiritual developed person" crap.
I hope that science and spirituality will reach one day to a certain point where there will be no science/spirit, but a whole new concept, something more holistic.
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I also used to remember only a few dreams a year. Since using psilocybin regularly I have vividly been dreaming.
There must be a connection. My peaks with closed eyes are very similar to dreams.
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AstralAndrew
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ZacksJourney said: They are far away from that, that is because most of them don't even try, and the ones who are, nobody takes them seriously.
I do believe in what is called spirituality, but I think that we have put too much bullshit into it, with all the healing and loving and "I'm better than you because I'm a spiritual developed person" crap.
I hope that science and spirituality will reach one day to a certain point where there will be no science/spirit, but a whole new concept, something more holistic.
I tend to agree that it's become a gangbang of new age ideas of crystals transmitting moonlight unicorns mixed with lesser regarded or revered eastern teaching they all seem to have adapted through their clothing and maybe five minutes of mindfulness before their 50$ yoga class. I have no clue what to believe but some weird shit has happened during meditation for me.
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ZacksJourney
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Exactly. I saw some crazy shit, not only in meditation but in real life as well. Last time I tried, I was able to "read" my wife's mind, just knowing what and who she was thinking about while she was in the other room.
Another time I was able to... hmm.. well what is called "emitting chi" to her body while she was lying on her belly with her eyes closed, I felt her energy (don't have another word, energy is being used for so many things by people who know so little) and she knew exactly where my hand was and even which movements I was doing, like waves and ect.
Also been a witness to a lot of clairvoyance.
I know that there are unexplicable things, but I'm stuck in the middle of the two polars, with my legs spreaded, one foot on each side, unwilling to let go of one or the other.
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ZacksJourney said: Exactly. I saw some crazy shit, not only in meditation but in real life as well. Last time I tried, I was able to "read" my wife's mind, just knowing what and who she was thinking about while she was in the other room.
Another time I was able to... hmm.. well what is called "emitting chi" to her body while she was lying on her belly with her eyes closed, I felt her energy (don't have another word, energy is being used for so many things by people who know so little) and she knew exactly where my hand was and even which movements I was doing, like waves and ect.
Also been a witness to a lot of clairvoyance.
I know that there are unexplicable things, but I'm stuck in the middle of the two polars, with my legs spreaded, one foot on each side, unwilling to let go of one or the other.
My ex gf and I could send numbers back and forth between 1 and 10 with 100% accuracy. Also heard her think when we were on mushrooms before she talked. Had friends experience telepathy the same way. Had reiki done on me once across my hands and it felt like fire was flying out of my pours (not in a bad way?) Just so much weird stuff in general for me to not believe somethings up.
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