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OfflineAsyluMycelium
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identification request please
    #23914120 - 12/10/16 06:06 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Hello all, this is my first post and I was hoping to get an identification on some mushrooms that I came across during a recent hike. I have done some research and think that I have come across a majority of Copelandia Cyanescens with a smaller amount of aged and fairly dried Psilocybe Cubensis.
There are two mushrooms of which their stems did not stain blue when damaged, their cap color is pallid and not common to actives that I have seen. They produced a black spore print, I am curious if anyone can identify them for me (last two pictures)?

The pictures are shown with stems removed on A4 paper, stems are placed to the left of the mushroom cap. This is my first post and for some reason some of the pictures have rotated 180 degrees which makes it slightly more annoying to look at. The pictures show the caps first and then the next picture in order is the same mushrooms turned over to show their spore prints. Pictures 9 and 10 show the typical gill color and shape of the majority of the bell shaped mushrooms, and picture 11 shows one of the bell shaped mushrooms which is brown in appearance. Picture 12 and 13 show the cap stem and spore print of the odd mushrooms mentioned above.

Habitat:
All of the mushrooms in question were found growing in a field on cow dung.

Gills:
The majority of the gills are dark grey to brown in color. Some of the younger or fresher examples have a light grey color. The flat cap mushrooms gill attachment is seceding to adnexed. The gills of the bell shaped mushrooms all seem to be seceding with color dark grey to brown.
The two in the last picture gills are brown and adnexed to seceding.

Stem:
All mushrooms are shown on an a4 piece of paper.
Length varies as size of the cap increases, for the bell shaped caps the diameter is approx 1-2mm on majority of smaller mushrooms. The larger ones are up to 5mm diameter and 11cms length.
For the flat cap mushrooms the larger examples stem base is 9mm tapering to 6 at the top. Length is 10cms on the longest stem of this type. All stems bruised blue or sometimes very dark like black.

Cap:
The bell shaped ranging from off whitish, to slightly gold in center, a few appear brown all over. The shape of some caps is hemispheric, and others obtusely conic or parabolic. the brown caps have striations toward the edge. The stems of these did appear to stain very dark almost black.
The largest flat cap is 42mm diameter. Cap color is a brown gold center tapering to an off white edge which has a purple hue in some instances...this could be from my handling of the mushroom. The cap shape is mostly convex with some showing a slight umbo.

Spore print color:
The bell shaped mushrooms have a black spore print while the flatter shaped cap has a purple/black print. The two odd color flat mushrooms which did not bruise blue had a black spore print as well.

Bruising:
The stems of all the mushrooms appear to bruise blue or in some instances of the bell shaped caps they appear almost black.

Other information:
Scent seems typical of a mushroom and is familiar with other times I have found and smelled this type.

Sorry the pictures are not ideal I took them using only 6mp res. I hope they are sufficient for someone to assess what I have here.

Thank you for your help in advance!



Edited by AsyluMycelium (12/12/16 04:15 AM)


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InvisibleburtonRebel
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Re: identification request please [Re: AsyluMycelium]
    #23914242 - 12/10/16 06:50 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

they look like mostly Coplelandia cyanescens. Not seeing pictures of what you think are P. cubensis. But nice C. cyanescens!


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Re: identification request please [Re: burtonRebel]
    #23914249 - 12/10/16 06:52 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

oh actually second row, second photo from left, bottom right corner is a P. cubensis.
BTW colors change with pileus as the mushroom ages/dries. Its good to be familiar with all those variations with a given species you are looking for


Edited by burtonRebel (12/10/16 06:54 PM)


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Re: identification request please [Re: burtonRebel]
    #23914315 - 12/10/16 07:20 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Yeah what he said ^ Nice finds dude :thumbup:


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|-------------------[Ps. Azurescens]------------------------------------------[Ps. Semilanceata]--------------------------------------------[Ps. Allenii]------------------------|


|--------------[Ps. Ovoideocystidiata]------------------------------------------[Ps. Stuntzii]--------------------------------------------[Ps. Baeocystis]----------------------|


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OfflineAsyluMycelium
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Re: identification request please [Re: TheDuder]
    #23914408 - 12/10/16 07:59 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Thanks for the assist there guys! I really appreciate the help....however....I am now confused. Are you saying that the C.Cyanescens can have a hemispherical or a convex cap morphology? also the way the gills present are different on the two types of mushrooms in the pictures.

The hemispherical cap mushroom gills follow the cap up and meet near where the stem meets the cap itself. There is a large C.Cyanescens in the top left of the first picture with its spore print shown in the bottom right of the second, which differs from the bottom right mushroom in the 5th picture which I thought was a cubensis due to its convex cap and large hollow stem and presence of a veil. Also the gills are much thicker in depth. 
In a few of the convex cap mushroom the spore print is more purple black than just black. Can the C.Cyanescens have these variations?

Does anyone have an opinion on the two mushrooms shown in the last two pictures which do not bruise blue?

I sympathize that my pictures are not ideal and I will use a much stronger light and better res in the future.


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Re: identification request please [Re: AsyluMycelium]
    #23914443 - 12/10/16 08:17 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I spy with my piggy eye a lot of Psilocybe cubensis in there.


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Re: identification request please [Re: Mr Piggy]
    #23914451 - 12/10/16 08:20 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

Mr Piggy said:
I spy with my piggy eye a lot of Psilocybe cubensis in there.



yeah i don't know how i missed them all after looking again.


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Re: identification request please [Re: AsyluMycelium]
    #23914459 - 12/10/16 08:25 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

AsyluMycelium said:
Thanks for the assist there guys! I really appreciate the help....however....I am now confused. Are you saying that the C.Cyanescens can have a hemispherical or a convex cap morphology? also the way the gills present are different on the two types of mushrooms in the pictures.

The hemispherical cap mushroom gills follow the cap up and meet near where the stem meets the cap itself. There is a large C.Cyanescens in the top left of the first picture with its spore print shown in the bottom right of the second, which differs from the bottom right mushroom in the 5th picture which I thought was a cubensis due to its convex cap and large hollow stem and presence of a veil. Also the gills are much thicker in depth. 
In a few of the convex cap mushroom the spore print is more purple black than just black. Can the C.Cyanescens have these variations?

Does anyone have an opinion on the two mushrooms shown in the last two pictures which do not bruise blue?

I sympathize that my pictures are not ideal and I will use a much stronger light and better res in the future.



I think the easiest way to tell them apart would be the veil remnants on the stems of P. cubensis vs the lack of on C. cyanescens. Cubensis are also generally much larger, and have purple-brown spore prints. Copelandia or Panaeolus cyanescens leave black spore prints.


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Re: identification request please [Re: burtonRebel]
    #23914599 - 12/10/16 09:33 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

The last photo appears to be a panaeolus of some sort, maybe cinctulus.


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Re: identification request please [Re: Origyn]
    #23914874 - 12/10/16 11:09 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Bet its a Cyan or an Antrilum
Pardon the spelling.


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Re: identification request please [Re: WhyDidiDoThis]
    #23915161 - 12/11/16 01:51 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Thanks for all the help and suggestions of what the last one might be. I am going to leave it out of the group because I am unsure of it.

Just to be thorough does everything else look safe? Is it true that all mushrooms which spore print black are non toxic?


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Re: identification request please [Re: AsyluMycelium]
    #23915186 - 12/11/16 02:27 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Correct.
It's an inactive Pan.


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Re: identification request please [Re: WhyDidiDoThis]
    #23915242 - 12/11/16 04:36 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Panaeolus antillarium for the last pic.
Nice finds.
Got some Panaeolus cyanescens and Psilocybe cubensis.


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Re: identification request please [Re: Joust]
    #23918561 - 12/12/16 04:13 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Thank you again everyone for your help and also the identify on the last two mushrooms, I really appreciate it.
I find cubensis easy to identify, however the variation in the cyanescens throws me as I am quite new to this amazingly rewarding past time. Hopefully one day I can be offering my opinion on other peoples finds.


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Re: identification request please [Re: AsyluMycelium]
    #23918916 - 12/12/16 09:08 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Once you hunt more, you'll easily be able to differentiate between cyanescens and antillarums, and whatever panaeolus you find.


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