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Re: Can regular psilocybin use( more than once per week) damage receptors responsible for sleep [Re: Tiamo]
#23922048 - 12/13/16 09:43 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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exercise and melatonin
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Re: Can regular psilocybin use( more than once per week) damage receptors responsible for sleep [Re: Get Shwifty]
#23922076 - 12/13/16 09:55 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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The melatonin is really the key in this. When you take it every day for a few weeks at the same time in the same dark room and don't let anything distract you, after a while the body starts to produce melatonin at that exact same time all by itself and you don't need to supplement anymore.
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Re: Can regular psilocybin use( more than once per week) damage receptors responsible for sleep [Re: Tiamo]
#23922425 - 12/13/16 11:52 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Tiamo said: OK, here's what you should do.
Lay off the drugs, don't even drink caffeine or alcohol. Get a good dinner in you, with a nice tall glass of water. Brush your teeth, do whatever. Get yourself comfortable, read a book in a quiet, semi dark-ish room half an hour before bed, no electrical appliances. Take some melatonin, ~1 mg, natural sleep hormone. Dim all the lights in your room, close your door, close the blinds, completely dark, don't have your phone in the same room. It helps if the room is cold. Lay down with an eye mask and ear plugs on your back, meditate, count back from a hundred, or count up, whatever, quieten your thoughts. You will fall asleep within minutes. Really really fast. This regime has gotten me through the worst insomniac episodes.
The only time it doesn't work is when I'm anxious, and I start thinking about monsters or whatever and throw off my eye mask and panic. It happens sometimes. 
Ive tried even the 10mg melatonin pills and they don't help me sleep anymore. The other stuff I'm doing just over the past couple of days. Just feels like I lay there eyes closed drifting between a half awake but half in a dream like state. No day dreaming but actual dreams that it feels like I'm awake for.
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Re: Can regular psilocybin use( more than once per week) damage receptors responsible for sleep [Re: Dabrit]
#23922463 - 12/13/16 12:08 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Melatonin in high doses just works counter productive... Less is more. Too much and your body doesn't even make it itself anymore.
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Re: Can regular psilocybin use( more than once per week) damage receptors responsible for sleep [Re: Ancestoralbeings]
#23923155 - 12/13/16 03:47 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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68 degrees is the ideal external temperature to sleep in.
It´s not about cooling the whole body, just the frontal cortex.
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Re: Can regular psilocybin use( more than once per week) damage receptors responsible for sleep [Re: Tiamo]
#23923491 - 12/13/16 05:49 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Tiamo said: Melatonin in high doses just works counter productive... Less is more. Too much and your body doesn't even make it itself anymore.
Dude I've tried 1, 3 and 10mg melatonin that shit is for people with temporary insomnia not chronic like mine. Trust me the shit actually makes more alert than anything. Ingested melatonin just doesn't have the same action long term as melatonin created in the brain. Benadryl and any other kind of over the counter stuff also does not help me.
I think my brain is tolerant to sedatives period seeing as mirtazapine makes most people Ko'd for the first week they take it for me it's just mild drowsiness. 7.5mg of Zopliclone doesn't do anything either.
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Re: Can regular psilocybin use( more than once per week) damage receptors responsible for sleep [Re: Dabrit]
#23923709 - 12/13/16 06:21 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Humans are really suggestible. Something that may not work but is worth a try is before you go to sleep, laying in bed or whatever, just keep telling yourself out loud, "I will fall asleep tonight. I will fall asleep tonight. I will fall asleep tonight." Imagine that actual sentence in your mind too as you recite it. Tell that to yourself 50 or 100 times, however many times you want. Really focus on your mind accepting the fact of reality that you WILL fall asleep tonight. If you accept it as something that will undoubtedly happen, it might work. It might not, but I figured that it's worth a shot.
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Re: Can regular psilocybin use( more than once per week) damage receptors responsible for sleep [Re: Shroomyhead]
#23923797 - 12/13/16 06:47 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Shroomyhead said: Humans are really suggestible. Something that may not work but is worth a try is before you go to sleep, laying in bed or whatever, just keep telling yourself out loud, "I will fall asleep tonight. I will fall asleep tonight. I will fall asleep tonight." Imagine that actual sentence in your mind too as you recite it. Tell that to yourself 50 or 100 times, however many times you want. Really focus on your mind accepting the fact of reality that you WILL fall asleep tonight. If you accept it as something that will undoubtedly happen, it might work. It might not, but I figured that it's worth a shot.
I think that will just impede sleep more than anything. People say the best way to fall asleep is to not think about it or try to stay awake.
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Re: Can regular psilocybin use( more than once per week) damage receptors responsible for sleep [Re: AuroraBorealis88]
#23923815 - 12/13/16 06:53 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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I've heard jacking off to some midget porn then immediately hit the showers followed by a solid 15 minutes of cardio on the pogo stick really helps with insomnia....
If not that then perhaps alternate winking for 15 minutes followed by a jello bath and then immediately rinse off shake yourself with talcum powder till you resemble a ghost and roll 2 1/2 times to your left and you'll sleep like a baby...
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Re: Can regular psilocybin use( more than once per week) damage receptors responsible for sleep [Re: Dabrit]
#23923844 - 12/13/16 07:00 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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I really just can't think of anything nearly as reliable as alcohol or weed. I'll say this again, edibles don't cause paranoia and anxiety usually that's just when weed is smoked. Even vaporized weed is not nearly as anxious as smoked.
And when it comes to those vape pens that use CO2 oil they're so mild I can't even imagine how anyone would get anxious from that stuff. You're assuming all forms of THC would make you anxious when really only the popular methods of administration cause anxiety, derealization, ect.
Edited by AuroraBorealis88 (12/13/16 07:02 PM)
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Re: Can regular psilocybin use( more than once per week) damage receptors responsible for sleep [Re: AuroraBorealis88]
#23924270 - 12/13/16 09:02 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Insomnia is one of the most common and obvious side effects of psychedelics. If there is nothing else, then there is insomnia (which causes other issues).
However, psychedelics don't cause insomnia by "damaging" receptors. It just changes them in a functional way by upgrading/downgrading different serotonin receptors and changing the way you think so you don't get in the normal state you are in when you are relaxed and ready to sleep. This can be easily reversed with absitenence.
If you then treat your insomnia or trip comedowns with benzos or ambien then you also downregulate or damage your GABA receptors. This is when the major psychological issues start - anxiety, depression, psychosis, suicide, when both systems are down. Gaba and serotonin are supposed to act like failsafes for one another. I would not recommend that a user of psychedelics ever touch a benzo unless it is to save their life.
Edited by PsychoKinesiS (12/13/16 09:27 PM)
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Re: Can regular psilocybin use( more than once per week) damage receptors responsible for sleep [Re: AuroraBorealis88]
#23924340 - 12/13/16 09:26 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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AuroraBorealis88 said: I really just can't think of anything nearly as reliable as alcohol or weed. I'll say this again, edibles don't cause paranoia and anxiety usually that's just when weed is smoked. Even vaporized weed is not nearly as anxious as smoked.
And when it comes to those vape pens that use CO2 oil they're so mild I can't even imagine how anyone would get anxious from that stuff. You're assuming all forms of THC would make you anxious when really only the popular methods of administration cause anxiety, derealization, ect.
No I've done edibles and they make me twice as paranoid and it lasts way longer too. Not everyone has the same neurochemistry for a lot of people weed makes them relax and helps with anxiety for me the opposite is true. I handle 7 grams of mushrooms better than I do smoking a joint to myself.
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Re: Can regular psilocybin use( more than once per week) damage receptors responsible for sleep [Re: Dabrit]
#23924350 - 12/13/16 09:28 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Your biggest problem right now is probably not the completely safe drug that you used to take once per week. It is more likely the multiple psychiatric drugs that you are currently taking every day, which have all been medically studied to have a whole host of derogatory long term side effects. I would talk to your psychiatrist about weaning off of them, while abstaining from all drugs and taking a holistic nutrition based approach to managing sleep.
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Re: Can regular psilocybin use( more than once per week) damage receptors responsible for sleep [Re: PsychoKinesiS]
#23924357 - 12/13/16 09:30 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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PsychoKinesiS said: Insomnia is one of the most common and obvious side effects of psychedelics. If there is nothing else, then there is insomnia (which causes other issues).
However, psychedelics don't cause insomnia by "damaging" receptors. It just changes them in a functional way by upgrading/downgrading different serotonin receptors and changing the way you think so you don't get in the normal state you are in when you are relaxed and ready to sleep. This can be easily reversed with absitenence.
If you then treat your insomnia or trip comedowns with benzos or ambien then you also downregulate or damage your GABA receptors. This is when the major psychological issues start - anxiety, depression, psychosis, suicide, when both systems are down. Gaba and serotonin are supposed to act like failsafes for one another. I would not recommend that a user of psychedelics ever touch a benzo unless it is to save their life.
No I get that the trip itself from psychedelics causes insomnia, obviously mush or acid will not let you sleep until hours after consuming them. I've never taken benzos to come down off of mushrooms or anything else.
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Re: Can regular psilocybin use( more than once per week) damage receptors responsible for sleep [Re: PsychoKinesiS]
#23924373 - 12/13/16 09:36 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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PsychoKinesiS said: Your biggest problem right now is probably not the completely safe drug that you used to take once per week. It is more likely the multiple psychiatric drugs that you are currently taking every day, which have all been medically studied to have a whole host of derogatory long term side effects. I would talk to your psychiatrist about weaning off of them, while abstaining from all drugs and taking a holistic nutrition based approach to managing sleep.
Like I said I'm weaning off the addictive benzo( Clonazepam), anti depressants aren't addictive and my initial insomnia was likely caused by either stress or depression so I do think treating it with something is a good idea. It's not like you get hooked on any kind of Serotonin agonist or reuptake inhibitor. They just correct a chemical imbalance which usually is the cause of your depression i.e low serotonin, dopamine, norepinephrine etc.
I also was drinking too much for a while which likely didn't help matters as I started relying on it to pass out. I stopped for 7 weeks and since will only have 1 drink or two max so I'm not relying on it's sedative effects to sleep.
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Re: Can regular psilocybin use( more than once per week) damage receptors responsible for sleep [Re: Dabrit]
#23924400 - 12/13/16 09:46 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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If you're currently weaning off a benzo that would perfectly explain your current insomnia. You are going to be in an extra gaba-negative state until months after you've completed your weaning. But it'll be worth it.
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Edited by PsychoKinesiS (12/13/16 09:47 PM)
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Re: Can regular psilocybin use( more than once per week) damage receptors responsible for sleep [Re: PsychoKinesiS]
#23924414 - 12/13/16 09:50 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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PsychoKinesiS said: If you're currently weaning off a benzo that would perfectly explain your current insomnia. You are going to be in an extra gaba-negative state until months after you've completed your weaning. But it'll be worth it.
FUCK....not exactly what I wanted to hear. I don't anyone can go literally months and not sleep though I'm pretty sure you die. So hopefully this weird half dreaming half awake shit I've got going on does just enough to keep my alive until my body functions again.
Why the hell aren't doctors discussing just how serious these anti anxiety/ sleeping pills are and the long term detriment they can cause is beyond me.
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Re: Can regular psilocybin use( more than once per week) damage receptors responsible for sleep [Re: Dabrit]
#23924446 - 12/13/16 09:59 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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I didn't mean you would never sleep for 3 months. You should wean slowly enough that you can still get some sleep. You might need the help of other (non-benzo) medications, vigorous exercise, meditation, accupuncture, therapy, CBT, diet, better sleeping conditions, etc. Once in a while you'll completely miss a night of sleep but the exhaustion will help you sleep on the following nights.
Psychiatry is mostly psuedoscientific quackery and the whole medical profession is either corrupt and/or incompetent when it comes to the side effects of medications even when asked. For instance nobody tells you that using anti-acids quickly causes anemia that fries your nervous system or causes kidney/heart failure.
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Edited by PsychoKinesiS (12/13/16 10:01 PM)
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Re: Can regular psilocybin use( more than once per week) damage receptors responsible for sleep [Re: Dabrit]
#23924541 - 12/13/16 10:32 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Edibles making you twice as paranoid? I find that very hard to believe. If edibles make you paranoid in anyway let alone more paranoid than smoked weed then you really need to cut your doses down.
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Re: Can regular psilocybin use( more than once per week) damage receptors responsible for sleep [Re: AuroraBorealis88]
#23925577 - 12/14/16 11:01 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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AuroraBorealis88 said: Edibles making you twice as paranoid? I find that very hard to believe. If edibles make you paranoid in anyway let alone more paranoid than smoked weed then you really need to cut your doses down.
Lololol. Man let it go on the edibles thing I know what I'm doing with dosage even a 10mg brownie gives me anxiety. I know my body and what feels good and doesn't feel good. Feel like you're the dope pusher man. Also I don't like the idea of my brain having f to rely on sedation to sleep.
My brain should be creating it's own chemicals that allows this to take place. I think abstinence from all sedative drugs may be the only way I can properly recover. It has been shown that dope smokers who used every day when they stopped using also have issues with temporary insomnia. This is for a reason, likely psychological dependance.
I have realized that until things return to normal getting drunk is not an option either. A drink or two with dinner sure anything more than that should be a no-no. I've started meditation using the headspace app just before bedtime. Does seem to relax me a bit so I shall keep that going. I have always been one to Exercise and will try to hit the gym 5 times per week even if my energy is complete shit from not sleeping. No TV an hour before bed and sleep with an eye mask. I find the ear plugs bother my ears so won't be using those. Plus I find the sound of my fan soothing anyways.
Trying to keep my mind active and positive just started to new projects on agar as my new PE and GT syringes arrived. By the time they are done fruiting it will have been over 7 Mo the since I last dosed on mushrooms and I may consider a day trip, I'll likely need 4gs or so to get a nice trip who knows maybe that helps my situation I doubt it would hinder it.
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