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Dabrit



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Can regular psilocybin use( more than once per week) damage receptors responsible for sleep
#23913447 - 12/10/16 03:19 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Hey,
So I'm currently going through one of the toughest times of my life. I've now had chronic insomnia for over a year.
It started like prior episodes I have had where I would wake up at 4am and then not be able to return to sleep I believe after a night of drinking but am not sure.
Last year I was doing a lot of shrooms mostly because they are my favorite drug by far but also when they work to 100% of their potential they are such a powerful anti depressant. They work better than any SSRI I've taken. Over the course of last summer I ended up doing them multiple times during a week period some times and did a 7 gram dose once last year and have a trip report on this very site about the trip( Was amazing).
Over the next few months as my insomnia returned I resorted to sleeping pills mainly Clonazepam and zopliclone and then would try and dose every month or so on shrooms to try and battle my depression but it seemed that I had developed long term tolerance to the shrooms for some reason even waiting 3 months I still could not have a full on trip dosing on an 1/8 or 5 grams only partial trips.
My insomnia has been getting worse and worse over the past 8 months to the point I lost my job due to calling in sick as I was going days at a time being unable to sleep, in fact went a full 8 days at one point being unable to sleep even a minute, my mind started falling apart and I ended up at the hospital, they gave me more clonazepam which would allow me to sleep at first taking 2 x 0.5mg of it, but then the effect wore off and sustaining would mean raising dose to 1.5mg, eventually this dose didn't help me any longer. Zopliclone stopped working as well, my doctor then put me on escitalopram( Lexapro) thinking that depression was causing my insomnia. After 2 months my sleep still didn't return, so he put me on Zoloft which made the insomnia even worse and I can't seem to get even an hour of sleep any longer.
Just recently started taking mirtazapine after hearing how good it was for sleep has been 4 days since I started to take it and although I do feel sleepier at bed time it's not enough to knock me out, I seem to be only capable of being in this weird dream awareness state where I dream but it feels like I'm awake.
Sorry to drag on here but obviously I am very concerned as to why my sleep won't return and I can't get the deep restorative sleep a person needs, I'm starting to worry that my shroom use has damaged some sort of receptor and that perhaps I may never be able to sleep normally again. Has anyone heard of this?
My alternate theory is that my brain is just so used to always have some sort of sedative to sleep be it booze, a sleeping pill or weed to sleep for so long that in the absence it doesn't create the chemicals needed to sleep naturally any longer. Because of this I've been tapering myself off of the clonazepam only taking 0.75mg/day currently and am reducing the dose by 1/8 every two weeks. Also haven't drank in 7 weeks to try and rule out the booze and haven't smoked weed in 7 weeks either.
Man not being able to sleep is the worst torture you can imagine all I want is to have my life back and be able to work and focus and not feel ill all the time I'm lost and my doctor just doesn't seem to have the answers for me. I'm just really worried that I caused the damage and it's irreparable now...
If anyone else out there has any insight it would be great.
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theRealrollforever
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Re: Can regular psilocybin use( more than once per week) damage receptors responsible for sleep [Re: Dabrit]
#23913465 - 12/10/16 03:24 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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I would just smoke the weed if it helps dude all that other shit is gonna have some serious consequences to your brain /health
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Dabrit



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Re: Can regular psilocybin use( more than once per week) damage receptors responsible for sleep [Re: theRealrollforever]
#23913471 - 12/10/16 03:28 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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theRealrollforever said: I would just smoke the weed if it helps dude all that other shit is gonna have some serious consequences to your brain /health
The problem is I became tolerant to weed as well and it gives me anxiety so serves no purpose at all.
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Re: Can regular psilocybin use( more than once per week) damage receptors responsible for sleep [Re: Dabrit]
#23913502 - 12/10/16 03:34 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Well to answer your question about psilocybin I guarantee you the problem is defintiely the slurry of pharmas you've taken / are on and some unaddressed anxiety rather than from tripping. Going overboard can result in some HPPD tho and that can certainly be anxiety inducing and thus affect sleep that way. It's happened to me but I still kinda consider that unaddressed anxiety rather than any neurological change you may have thought happened from tripping, even frequently.
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Dabrit



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Re: Can regular psilocybin use( more than once per week) damage receptors responsible for sleep [Re: theRealrollforever]
#23913522 - 12/10/16 03:38 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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theRealrollforever said: Well to answer your question about psilocybin I guarantee you the problem is defintiely the slurry of pharmas you've taken / are on and some unaddressed anxiety rather than from tripping. Going overboard can result in some HPPD tho and that can certainly be anxiety inducing and thus affect sleep that way. It's happened to me but I still kinda consider that unaddressed anxiety rather than any neurological change you may have thought happened from tripping, even frequently.
Shrooms never make me anxious except for maybe the comeup butterflies as soon as that's gone I actually feel amazing extremely confident, composed compassionate and in control no matter how high the dose. I actually get way more anxiety from weed.
I get the anxiety aspect but the only solution really for that is medication which most of which is addictive i.e the clonazepam. Mirtazipine however isn't addictive and supposedly can help with anxiety might just take a while longer to become effective also I'm detoxing off of the addictive pills so that probably isn't helping matters. I almost wanna dose on the shrooms to see if it will be beneficial but given all of what is going on in the brain already probably best to wait until I am sleeping soundly again.
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Re: Can regular psilocybin use( more than once per week) damage receptors responsible for sleep [Re: Dabrit]
#23913570 - 12/10/16 03:53 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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The answer to the question in the title of your post is no.
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Dabrit



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Re: Can regular psilocybin use( more than once per week) damage receptors responsible for sleep [Re: nooneman]
#23913601 - 12/10/16 04:02 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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nooneman said: The answer to the question in the title of your post is no.
I hope you are correct sir as I do love a good shroom trip.
LSD I can't stand seems to not agree with me always have moments where I questinon if I'll become a mental vegetable by the time the trip is over. Never have this with shrooms.
I may become delusional with heroic doses but that's half the fun isnt' it
Tried DMT - Haven't broken through yet my goal was to have a solid shroom trip again before really trying to break through. But have some spice in my safe and have a Glass Vapor Genie for whenever the time is right.
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Re: Can regular psilocybin use( more than once per week) damage receptors responsible for sleep [Re: Dabrit]
#23913797 - 12/10/16 04:43 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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I have taken the escitalopram few years back and after a month I had extreme insomnia,hallucinations,muffled hearing in one ear,involentoty muscle movements then seizures. Serotonin syndrome can kill.
Serotonin can act similar to speed and hallucinogen. I put alot of faith in my doctors and they nearly killed me with the very drugs you mentioned above and opiates. Always used as prescribed but had so many side effects.
Also this is the reason your not able to trip. Please do yourself a favor and reconsider the pharmaceutical drugs. There are natural medicines that really work better.
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Re: Can regular psilocybin use( more than once per week) damage receptors responsible for sleep [Re: Dabrit]
#23913940 - 12/10/16 05:15 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Weed and melatonin.
IME nothing works but weed, literally nothing.
Also it giving you anxiety is not an excuse. Just deal with it. I don't see why people can't just challenge the anxiety they face on cannabis. I just see it as a challenge.
Edited by AuroraBorealis88 (12/10/16 05:16 PM)
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Re: Can regular psilocybin use( more than once per week) damage receptors responsible for sleep [Re: AuroraBorealis88]
#23913953 - 12/10/16 05:21 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Short answer no.
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Bill_Oreilly
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Re: Can regular psilocybin use( more than once per week) damage receptors responsible for sleep [Re: Dabrit]
#23913956 - 12/10/16 05:22 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Dabrit said: Hey,
So I'm currently going through one of the toughest times of my life. I've now had chronic insomnia for over a year.
It started like prior episodes I have had where I would wake up at 4am and then not be able to return to sleep I believe after a night of drinking but am not sure.
Last year I was doing a lot of shrooms mostly because they are my favorite drug by far but also when they work to 100% of their potential they are such a powerful anti depressant. They work better than any SSRI I've taken. Over the course of last summer I ended up doing them multiple times during a week period some times and did a 7 gram dose once last year and have a trip report on this very site about the trip( Was amazing).
Over the next few months as my insomnia returned I resorted to sleeping pills mainly Clonazepam and zopliclone and then would try and dose every month or so on shrooms to try and battle my depression but it seemed that I had developed long term tolerance to the shrooms for some reason even waiting 3 months I still could not have a full on trip dosing on an 1/8 or 5 grams only partial trips.
My insomnia has been getting worse and worse over the past 8 months to the point I lost my job due to calling in sick as I was going days at a time being unable to sleep, in fact went a full 8 days at one point being unable to sleep even a minute, my mind started falling apart and I ended up at the hospital, they gave me more clonazepam which would allow me to sleep at first taking 2 x 0.5mg of it, but then the effect wore off and sustaining would mean raising dose to 1.5mg, eventually this dose didn't help me any longer. Zopliclone stopped working as well, my doctor then put me on escitalopram( Lexapro) thinking that depression was causing my insomnia. After 2 months my sleep still didn't return, so he put me on Zoloft which made the insomnia even worse and I can't seem to get even an hour of sleep any longer.
Just recently started taking mirtazapine after hearing how good it was for sleep has been 4 days since I started to take it and although I do feel sleepier at bed time it's not enough to knock me out, I seem to be only capable of being in this weird dream awareness state where I dream but it feels like I'm awake.
Sorry to drag on here but obviously I am very concerned as to why my sleep won't return and I can't get the deep restorative sleep a person needs, I'm starting to worry that my shroom use has damaged some sort of receptor and that perhaps I may never be able to sleep normally again. Has anyone heard of this?
My alternate theory is that my brain is just so used to always have some sort of sedative to sleep be it booze, a sleeping pill or weed to sleep for so long that in the absence it doesn't create the chemicals needed to sleep naturally any longer. Because of this I've been tapering myself off of the clonazepam only taking 0.75mg/day currently and am reducing the dose by 1/8 every two weeks. Also haven't drank in 7 weeks to try and rule out the booze and haven't smoked weed in 7 weeks either.
Man not being able to sleep is the worst torture you can imagine all I want is to have my life back and be able to work and focus and not feel ill all the time I'm lost and my doctor just doesn't seem to have the answers for me. I'm just really worried that I caused the damage and it's irreparable now...
If anyone else out there has any insight it would be great.
I recommend Clonadine for sleep.
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Re: Can regular psilocybin use( more than once per week) damage receptors responsible for sleep [Re: Headrush]
#23914076 - 12/10/16 05:55 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Headrush said: I have taken the escitalopram few years back and after a month I had extreme insomnia,hallucinations,muffled hearing in one ear,involentoty muscle movements then seizures. Serotonin syndrome can kill.
Serotonin can act similar to speed and hallucinogen. I put alot of faith in my doctors and they nearly killed me with the very drugs you mentioned above and opiates. Always used as prescribed but had so many side effects.
Also this is the reason your not able to trip. Please do yourself a favor and reconsider the pharmaceutical drugs. There are natural medicines that really work better.
I haven't being doing any shrooms since I started using escitalopram. Last time I did them was in July when I was not on any antidepressants and they just weren't working so decided likely needed an extended break. I don't know though if using sleeping pills also interfers with the same receptors that allow you to trip, I thought they just work on your GABA receptors but I'm no doctor.
In the past I have taken regular citalopram and I was able to trip on shrooms just fine, MDMA however didn't work at all.
I've been reading good things about Mirtazipine as it's a serotonin agonist doesn't work by prohibiting the reuptake creates fresh serotonin instead of recycling older serotonin, I'm hoping after a while it may help with the sleep. I'm slowing weaning off the escitalopram, doctor started me on 20mg which I thought was ridiculous seen as I was only on 20mg of Citalopram years ago and escitalopram is supposedly twice as strong.
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Re: Can regular psilocybin use( more than once per week) damage receptors responsible for sleep [Re: Dabrit]
#23915365 - 12/11/16 07:17 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Maybe the sleeping pills do affect ability to trip. My mother takes clonazepam and ambien and I gave her 2.5 and 3 gram doses of shrooms with no results other than few yawns.
I still believe the prescription drugs are most likely the cause of your problems. Mirtazapine is really fucked up drug as well. A friend of mine gained shit load of weight and diabetes after using it.
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Re: Can regular psilocybin use( more than once per week) damage receptors responsible for sleep [Re: Headrush]
#23915638 - 12/11/16 09:08 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Headrush said: Maybe the sleeping pills do affect ability to trip. My mother takes clonazepam and ambien and I gave her 2.5 and 3 gram doses of shrooms with no results other than few yawns.
Well duh.. Klonopin kills trips.
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Re: Can regular psilocybin use( more than once per week) damage receptors responsible for sleep [Re: AuroraBorealis88]
#23915866 - 12/11/16 10:17 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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I took valium for years and tripped regularly. Ambien would be possible to interfere.
Aurora borealis you are a dick. I am tired of reading your smartass posts.
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Re: Can regular psilocybin use( more than once per week) damage receptors responsible for sleep [Re: Headrush]
#23915880 - 12/11/16 10:22 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Well thank you.
Seriously though people take it to end trips.
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Re: Can regular psilocybin use( more than once per week) damage receptors responsible for sleep [Re: AuroraBorealis88]
#23915892 - 12/11/16 10:27 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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benzodiazepines make trips easier,they don't end them. Only time ends trips.
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Re: Can regular psilocybin use( more than once per week) damage receptors responsible for sleep [Re: Headrush] 1
#23915894 - 12/11/16 10:28 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Lol okay bro
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Re: Can regular psilocybin use( more than once per week) damage receptors responsible for sleep [Re: Headrush]
#23916061 - 12/11/16 11:37 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Headrush said: benzodiazepines make trips easier,they don't end them. Only time ends trips.
That definitely is not true or a good mixture.
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Re: Can regular psilocybin use( more than once per week) damage receptors responsible for sleep [Re: Ancestoralbeings]
#23916089 - 12/11/16 11:50 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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You would be impressed if you knew sometimes insomnia problems can be solved simply using earplugs and eyemask
Edited by Lucid Dreamer (12/11/16 11:51 AM)
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