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PiptheGreAtest
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Why won't this mono tub fr uit
#23912666 - 12/10/16 10:20 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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I now had my monotub in fruiting conditions for like week or so. It's been at about 90-95%RH and 72°F. I have a 6500k light on 12/12 cycle and fan blowing on it. It is completely colinzied but not even one sign of pin. Any advice. I would upload picture but can figure out how thxs.
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Upload a picture with this: https://www.shroomery.org/forums/upload.php?action=upload Paste the code it gives you in a reply to this post. It's hard to help without pictures.
You probably have a hygrometer in the tub if you know the rH. If that's the case get rid of it, they're useless and wont even give accurate readings in such an environment.
You don't need the fan blowing on the tub either, monotubs are meant to be passive fruiting chambers.
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Re: Why won't this mono tub fr uit [Re: Greg]
#23912711 - 12/10/16 10:36 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Re: Why won't this mono tub fr uit [Re: bodhisatta] 1
#23913017 - 12/10/16 12:43 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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what are you temps? IME(which is not much hahahaha ) things move slower in the 60's...
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Re: Why won't this mono tub fr uit [Re: Peteyboy]
#23913244 - 12/10/16 02:05 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Need pics. Could be a contam, and or dried out. Ditch the fan.
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Re: Why won't this mono tub fr uit [Re: WeavieWonder]
#23913249 - 12/10/16 02:07 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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i doubt your tub is from a isolated culture or anything so the only reasons a tub wont fruit is either its sick or the conditions are not correct.
1 well taken pic will help identify those issues.
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Re: Why won't this mono tub fr uit [Re: Greg]
#23913259 - 12/10/16 02:10 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Greg said: You probably have a hygrometer in the tub if you know the rH. If that's the case get rid of it, they're useless and wont even give accurate readings in such an environment.
So what should he be using instead?
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Greg said: You don't need the fan blowing on the tub either, monotubs are meant to be passive fruiting chambers.
When you're doing cakes and SGFC you have to fan and mist. But you're saying with a monotub/bulk grow you just leave it alone? (I too plan on doing my first bulk grow so I wouldn't know)
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Re: Why won't this mono tub fr uit [Re: ghaleon]
#23913273 - 12/10/16 02:16 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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use your peepers to check for RH and air.

the heat from the myc in a mono will give you the RH you need. the well placed holes with either poly or mp tape and the 'rings' or area where there is no condensation tells you fresh air is moving around.
you might need to mist a mono once in awhile. thats what 'dialing' in a tub really means. the balance between the right amount of FAE without drying out the tub.
Edited by mushboy (12/10/16 02:21 PM)
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Re: Why won't this mono tub fr uit [Re: mushboy]
#23913291 - 12/10/16 02:22 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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    this is exactly the reason i took these pictures. hope they help.
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Re: Why won't this mono tub fr uit [Re: SpicyWizard]
#23913300 - 12/10/16 02:25 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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open the top holes of poly. or at least pop the handles off the tote. keep an eye on it and mist if it dries out.
honestly it looks great. how about a nice detailed close up of the surface?
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Re: Why won't this mono tub fr uit [Re: mushboy]
#23913302 - 12/10/16 02:26 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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It might be pinning on the sides/bottom. Can you see the sides/bottom of your substrate?
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Re: Why won't this mono tub fr uit [Re: SpicyWizard] 1
#23913303 - 12/10/16 02:26 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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A weekk or so...sorry but anybody anal enough to check rh knows how many days the tub has been fruiting and a few days is no reason to sweat.
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Re: Why won't this mono tub fr uit [Re: mushboy]
#23913642 - 12/10/16 04:10 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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ahh if youre talking to me, these tubs were a while ago, but i took these shots to show noobs what correctly dialed moonos look like haha.
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PiptheGreAtest
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Re: Why won't this mono tub fr uit [Re: SpicyWizard]
#23913852 - 12/10/16 04:53 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Pics are in my public gallery really want figure out if there is problem
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From OP's gallery:

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Re: Why won't this mono tub fr uit [Re: Greg]
#23913888 - 12/10/16 05:00 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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looks dry as the Sahara! you need to get your mist on brotha!
Edited by Peteyboy (12/10/16 05:04 PM)
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PiptheGreAtest
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Re: Why won't this mono tub fr uit [Re: Peteyboy]
#23914775 - 12/10/16 10:39 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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K misted it will keep up will post later with sum pins hopefully.
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Try laying some bubblewrap or wax paper over the top of it.
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SpicyWizard


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Intelligentxfruit2 said: Try laying some bubblewrap or wax paper over the top of it.
whaaat...? were trying to help this guy, not lead them down the wrong path. unles you have a tek to link to, please dont spread misinformation.
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Re: Why won't this mono tub fr uit [Re: SpicyWizard]
#23915095 - 12/11/16 12:48 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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ralphraven18 said:
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Intelligentxfruit2 said: Try laying some bubblewrap or wax paper over the top of it.
whaaat...? were trying to help this guy, not lead them down the wrong path. unles you have a tek to link to, please dont spread misinformation.
. . . as another poster had mentioned his tub appears dry. If hes fanning, misting, with no contamination then creating a mirco-climate on top of the surface could prove helpful....
utsf im sure you'll see mentions of crumpled wax paper. bubble wrap serves the same function except re-useable.
Why would I post unless trying to help him?
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Re: Why won't this mono tub fr uit [Re: cronicr]
#23915120 - 12/11/16 01:03 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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im sure you are, but has anyone tried and tested this out? or are we telling a noob to experiment on a tub in which he first needs to learn the basics on?
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Re: Why won't this mono tub fr uit [Re: SpicyWizard]
#23915501 - 12/11/16 08:27 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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yes, RR uses wax paper to create a microclimate on his subs...Sort of like a removable casing. You just crinkle it up into a ball then flatten it back out and lay over the sub...It wont sit directly on the sub but all the little wrinkles will create a microclimate perfect for pinning...lift to mist and remove when the pinset is in..
Edited by Peteyboy (12/11/16 09:07 AM)
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Re: Why won't this mono tub fr uit [Re: Peteyboy]
#23915555 - 12/11/16 08:41 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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OP I'd say make sure the surface isn't completely dry and give it longer than a week or so before you start worrying and changing things, some cultures may take up to almost a month, some much sooner. A week is definitely nothing to stress.
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Re: Why won't this mono tub fr uit [Re: NDStepp84]
#23915636 - 12/11/16 09:08 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Re: Why won't this mono tub fr uit [Re: Peteyboy]
#23915684 - 12/11/16 09:22 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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huh thats cool, ive watched his videos, almost everytime i do anyything and never seen him reference that. i figured you would wanna just dunk the sub if it dries out to much, by the looks of the walls on that tub the rh is 0, so the sub isnt doing its own job and needs to be rehydrated. sure watering is needed sometimes, but the first flush shouldnt be this dry.
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Re: Why won't this mono tub fr uit [Re: SpicyWizard]
#23915748 - 12/11/16 09:42 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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To be fair, those are some pretty old videos; might've been something he started doing after they were created.
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Re: Why won't this mono tub fr uit [Re: r.lutece]
#23915994 - 12/11/16 11:06 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Re: Why won't this mono tub fr uit [Re: Peteyboy]
#23916908 - 12/11/16 04:36 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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hes talking about trays, not monos. ive seen him, (weve all)colonized stuff with foil or wrap, pf jars anyone? but a mono is a bit different no? i mean, a single piece of foil on the top is going to do nothing to keep the sub as a whole more hydrated. its pretty much needs to be dunked in my opinion.
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Re: Why won't this mono tub fr uit [Re: SpicyWizard]
#23916923 - 12/11/16 04:40 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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I've used wax paper and bubble wrap in all sorts of shit it works fine...find tmethyls bw thread.
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Re: Why won't this mono tub fr uit [Re: SpicyWizard]
#23916945 - 12/11/16 04:46 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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ralphraven18 said: huh thats cool, ive watched his videos, almost everytime i do anyything and never seen him reference that. i figured you would wanna just dunk the sub if it dries out to much, by the looks of the walls on that tub the rh is 0, so the sub isnt doing its own job and needs to be rehydrated. sure watering is needed sometimes, but the first flush shouldnt be this dry.
Condensation on the walls is not always an indicator of RH. Its caused by a temperature differential between the inside of the tub and the room its sitting in.
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/19466149/fpart/1/vc/1
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Re: Why won't this mono tub fr uit [Re: cronicr]
#23917174 - 12/11/16 05:49 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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cronicr said: I've used wax paper and bubble wrap in all sorts of shit it works fine...find tmethyls bw thread.
Yes tmethyl is where i picked up bw from almost 4 years back, i think I even have posts in that thread.
Edited by Intelligentxfruit2 (12/11/16 05:54 PM)
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Re: Why won't this mono tub fr uit [Re: SpicyWizard]
#23917406 - 12/11/16 06:41 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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ralphraven18 said: hes talking about trays, not monos. ive seen him, (weve all)colonized stuff with foil or wrap, pf jars anyone? but a mono is a bit different no? i mean, a single piece of foil on the top is going to do nothing to keep the sub as a whole more hydrated. its pretty much needs to be dunked in my opinion.
The concept is the same regardless if it's a tray or mono...remember we weren't discussing using this method for hydrating the sub...it is to create a microclimate to induce pinning...if he wants to hydrate his sub then he needs to dunk it...
Edited by Peteyboy (12/11/16 06:42 PM)
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Re: Why won't this mono tub fr uit [Re: Peteyboy]
#23919403 - 12/12/16 12:16 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Thanks 4 advice I'm going let sit another 5 days before try anything to radical but I did wake up this morninG to fan and substrate looks a lot more healthy after misting I'm posting a new pic in my gallery let me know what you think
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Id say looks like a contam, am i the only 1 that sees the yellowing on the surface?
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Re: Why won't this mono tub fr uit [Re: Kalsticky]
#23920263 - 12/12/16 04:46 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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When shit gets too dry, it yellows up, and sometimes when you mist the yellow areas they bruise.

Not the best pic to show hella dry sub, but shows what I'm talking about.
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Re: Why won't this mono tub fr uit [Re: Mad Season]
#23920447 - 12/12/16 05:50 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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How can you tell its dry? What should a good monotub substrate look like? I get really confused because people say you dont want standing water but yet you want it to be wet?
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Should look like a bunch of little water droplets all over the sub
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Re: Why won't this mono tub fr uit [Re: Peteyboy]
#23920561 - 12/12/16 06:20 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Mad Season said: Always use a flashlight to look for glistening!
Uncased substrate:
- PussyFart
(just after a misting)
Cased bulk substrate:
  
Cakes rolled in verm:
- stareatclouds
YOU MIST DIRECTLY BASED ON WHAT THEY LOOK LIKE, AND CATER TO THEIR NEEDS, NOT A SET SCHEDULE OF 2-6 TIMES A DAY!
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