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Can use nonsterile bulk substrate?
    #23911892 - 12/10/16 12:16 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Have I got this right?

50/50 manure/straw from OG comes sterilized, not pasteurized, so if you use it for a bulk substrate, it'll get contaminated if sterile conditions aren't maintained. So you need to use sterile technique.

But you could instead make a bulk substrate out of coir and vermiculite, and pasteurize it, and use that without using sterile technique, correct?

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Re: Can use nonsterile bulk substrate? [Re: Kulkulcan]
    #23911910 - 12/10/16 12:25 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I guess correct. You don't need to be 100% sterile when spawning to bulk but you should be aseptic to a degree.

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Re: Can use nonsterile bulk substrate? [Re: Kulkulcan]
    #23912115 - 12/10/16 04:05 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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But you could instead make a bulk substrate out of coir and vermiculite, and pasteurize it, and use that without using sterile technique, correct?



Yes that is correct


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Re: Can use nonsterile bulk substrate? [Re: cronicr]
    #23912138 - 12/10/16 04:23 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

This is a mono I started 15 days ago using coir/ verm. Damions 50/50 Tek. Seems to work well as far as I can tell mate. May be going slow, I have nothing to compare it to, it's my first run.



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Re: Can use nonsterile bulk substrate? [Re: Cagney]
    #23912454 - 12/10/16 08:31 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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I guess correct. You don't need to be 100% sterile when spawning to bulk but you should be aseptic to a degree.



Other than the usual precautions (having a reasonably clean room with no food lying around, wiping everything down with an antiseptic, spraying an antiseptic around the room, wearing a mask & gloves, rubbing your gloved hands with rubbing alcohol), is there anything else that should be done?


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Yes that is correct



Is manure a lot better than coir? And if it is, how can a person get NON-sterilized manure (preferably pasteurized), if they don't know anyone with farm animals? Is manure available from some kind of "farm store"?


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This is a mono I started 15 days ago using coir/ verm.



So you didn't use sterile technique to do that, right?

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Re: Can use nonsterile bulk substrate? [Re: Kulkulcan]
    #23912468 - 12/10/16 08:37 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

spawning is not sterile. neither is fruiting. you are over complicating it.
but the bulk needs to be clean. whichever way you need to do it.

when i spawn i just wipe out my tub with a clorox wipe and dump the
jars in and dump in my cvg(bucket tek) mix it up, tape holes good to go.

poo and coco are even IMO. some say poo gives better yields. ive used both havent nocticed. poo is free though.
coco can be sterilized in a pc. myc seems to inhale cooked coir.
right now im getting great results from coco but my cultures are cleaner and isolated.

also i just learned i can get free ZOO POO from the zoo. a trashcan worth for free. just need to squeeze a garbage can of shit into my small car.

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Re: Can use nonsterile bulk substrate? [Re: mushboy]
    #23912628 - 12/10/16 10:04 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

No, I didn't use sterile technique, did it right at the kitchen table, open air. I did put on gloves and wiped my tub down first but that's all.


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Re: Can use nonsterile bulk substrate? [Re: mushboy]
    #23912876 - 12/10/16 11:45 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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you are over complicating it.



I just figured it's better to be safe than sorry, that's all. Better to ask a lot of questions up front than to get contams.

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myc seems to inhale cooked coir.



The reason I got confused about using sterile bulk substrates is threads like this:
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/17567758

It's from less than 4 years ago, but maybe this information is obsolete now...?

So it works well to pc coir & then proceed non-sterile (but clean)?

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Re: Can use nonsterile bulk substrate? [Re: Kulkulcan]
    #23913258 - 12/10/16 02:09 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Yes i pc all my coir...manure should only be sterilized if being done in sterile conditions


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Re: Can use nonsterile bulk substrate? [Re: Kulkulcan]
    #23913336 - 12/10/16 02:40 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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So it works well to pc coir & then proceed non-sterile (but clean)?




yup! i spawn my tubs on the kitchen floor. usually have 1 or 2 cats
being noisy too.

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Re: Can use nonsterile bulk substrate? [Re: mushboy]
    #23913547 - 12/10/16 03:46 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Thanks, Intelligentxfruit2, cronicr, Cagney & mushboy, you've all been a big help. How do I give you good ratings?

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Re: Can use nonsterile bulk substrate? [Re: Kulkulcan]
    #23914171 - 12/10/16 06:25 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Just out of curiosity hand, what strain are you playing with?


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Re: Can use nonsterile bulk substrate? [Re: Cagney]
    #23914591 - 12/10/16 09:29 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I never did anything that you're not supposed to do, but I heard about a strain called B+.

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