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bodhisatta 
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Re: Teemo's Agar Casing Trial run [Re: mushboy]
#23948675 - 12/22/16 10:16 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Ive seen a lot of this tea= antibacterial shit going around lately. If anything tea is going to encourage bacteria more than it would discourage
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Ferather
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Re: Teemo's Agar Casing Trial run [Re: bodhisatta]
#23948700 - 12/22/16 10:25 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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bodhisatta said: Ive seen a lot of this tea= antibacterial shit going around lately. If anything tea is going to encourage bacteria more than it would discourage
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Re: Teemo's Agar Casing Trial run [Re: Ferather]
#23948707 - 12/22/16 10:26 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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thats quite the gif.
i dont know the science but i could imagine tea being a crutch for not having clean spawn.
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Re: Teemo's Agar Casing Trial run [Re: mushboy]
#23948710 - 12/22/16 10:28 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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From a few quick searches it looks like bacteria grows quite well in tea and many food safety sites stress proper refridgeration in the interest of food safety.
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bodhisatta 
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Re: Teemo's Agar Casing Trial run [Re: mushboy]
#23948711 - 12/22/16 10:29 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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I've seen the t-agar and t-gel threads there's really no evidence.
I worked with tea for years at a brewery that infused tea into beers. Black tea green tea all are contamination magnets
Tea may inhibit a few kinds of bacteria but they encourage a whole lot more
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Re: Teemo's Agar Casing Trial run [Re: bodhisatta]
#23948724 - 12/22/16 10:35 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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I agree its not 100% proof, but Llebsiella, Enterobacter and E. coli are non spore forming bacteria. That would mean you failed to clean the products correctly, or you infected it directly.
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bodhisatta 
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Re: Teemo's Agar Casing Trial run [Re: Ferather]
#23948738 - 12/22/16 10:41 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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 None of those three are anything we worry about as contaminants anyway. We have problems with LABs, pseudomonas, clostridum
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Ferather
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Re: Teemo's Agar Casing Trial run [Re: bodhisatta]
#23948749 - 12/22/16 10:45 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Thanks for the specified bacteria, Link, Link, Link.
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bodhisatta 
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Re: Teemo's Agar Casing Trial run [Re: Ferather]
#23948766 - 12/22/16 10:51 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Cool, you can't just read titles. There's some antibacterial activity from some compounds isolated from tea. Doesn't mean tea is going to be antibacterial.
Same reasons we are not chewing on willow bark for our aspirin needs
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Re: Teemo's Agar Casing Trial run [Re: bodhisatta]
#23948774 - 12/22/16 10:54 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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bodhisatta said: Cool, you can't just read titles. There's some antibacterial activity from some compounds isolated from tea. Doesn't mean tea is going to be antibacterial.
Same reasons we are not chewing on willow bark for our aspirin needs
Like eating ergot to get an LSD trip. . .
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Re: Teemo's Agar Casing Trial run [Re: bodhisatta]
#23948777 - 12/22/16 10:57 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Also a classic example of media reporting on research is that when a bacterial population gets reduced the assumption is that the independent variable is the cause of the effect. Where the tea may be encouraging some other bacteria then that causes the population of some other bacteria to fall.
Starsan (DDBSA+ phosphoric acid) Far more antibacterial than tea, but you can't even use that to make antibacterial grains
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Re: Teemo's Agar Casing Trial run [Re: bodhisatta]
#23948791 - 12/22/16 11:02 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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bodhisatta said: If anything tea is going to encourage bacteria
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bodhisatta said: Tea may inhibit a few kinds of bacteria
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bodhisatta said: Far more antibacterial than tea
Which is it?
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Re: Teemo's Agar Casing Trial run [Re: bodhisatta]
#23948794 - 12/22/16 11:03 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Was it dust who was trying to use starsan to make antibacterial grains a year or two ago? I still think a soap/lime/banrot treatment would work best to chemically prevent/sanitize. Not that I'm planning on trying it, I have a wicked sterilizer. Nothing kills bacteria like a sterilizer.
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Re: Teemo's Agar Casing Trial run [Re: Pastywhyte]
#23948834 - 12/22/16 11:18 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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So adding coffee is a good idea, and adding tea is a bad idea? In terms of infection chance, I think not. Whatever argument you have against tea, it will be 10x worse for coffee, pointless argument.
No offense but in terms of addition to a substrate, you benefit with tea.
You already agreed tea infections are not common issues.
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Re: Teemo's Agar Casing Trial run [Re: Mycolorado]
#23948836 - 12/22/16 11:19 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Mycolorado said:
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bodhisatta said: If anything tea is going to encourage bacteria
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bodhisatta said: Tea may inhibit a few kinds of bacteria
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bodhisatta said: Far more antibacterial than tea
Which is it?
All of them if you half half a mind to understand what I said
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bodhisatta 
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Re: Teemo's Agar Casing Trial run [Re: bodhisatta]
#23948851 - 12/22/16 11:25 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Peppermint and citrus can kill some bacteria But both go rancid quickly from bacteria that doesn't give a fuck There's antibacterial properties, but neither are very antibacterial. They're not disinfectants or sanitizers. Sanitizers(bleach, alcohol, starsan, iodophor) are far more antibacterial than mint or citrus or tea
Make sense?
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Re: Teemo's Agar Casing Trial run [Re: bodhisatta]
#23948859 - 12/22/16 11:29 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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bodhisatta said:
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Mycolorado said:
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bodhisatta said: If anything tea is going to encourage bacteria
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bodhisatta said: Tea may inhibit a few kinds of bacteria
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bodhisatta said: Far more antibacterial than tea
Which is it?
All of them if you half half a mind to understand what I said
Eh, your intellect is obviously far superior to most on here including mine...prolly why I couldn't grasp what you were saying.
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Re: Teemo's Agar Casing Trial run [Re: Mycolorado]
#23948874 - 12/22/16 11:36 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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NVM forget it, you carry on adding things to substrates that have 0% resistance to everything. I no longer wish to participate in a pointless argument, given this is not on topic.
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Re: Teemo's Agar Casing Trial run [Re: Mycolorado]
#23948884 - 12/22/16 11:39 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Ive seen a lot of this tea= antibacterial shit going around lately. If anything tea is going to encourage bacteria more than it would discourage
I started to think about the "tea inhibits mold germination" theory last week. I found a 7-10 day old teacup that was half full with very strong black tea covered with a lot of mold. I never tried tea in mushroom cultivation and monitored Ferather's interesting thread about tea agar. But as I wrote the situation with my teacup gives me serious doubts.
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enlightenment said:
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Ive seen a lot of this tea= antibacterial shit going around lately. If anything tea is going to encourage bacteria more than it would discourage
I started to think about the "tea inhibits mold germination" theory last week. I found a 7-10 day old teacup that was half full with very strong black tea covered with a lot of mold. I never tried tea in mushroom cultivation and monitored Ferather's interesting thread about tea agar. But as I wrote the situation with my teacup gives me serious doubts.
Was about to say that I found a cup of green tea in my garage from a few weeks ago was rather moldy lol
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