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could light and sounds be "psychedelic" or perhaps "hypnotic"?
    #23912253 - 12/10/16 06:12 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

There's a thread that mentioned something about virtual reality becoming hallucinogenic in the future so I'm thinking lighting and or sounds (that gets in the head or "triggers") may factor in inducing hallucinations or hypnosis. I have used those "therapeutic" blue lights marketed for seasonal affective disorder but I think it gave me more of a manic personality and aggression (exactly the opposite of depression so it does work in that regard). I have used glasses that block blue lights, which is touted as being helpful to bi polar people as if to say "blue lights" may play a role in bi polars. I'm not sure what the stats are if bi polar patients are morning people as they tend to see more "blue" during day time. I'm a night person, would night person then be more affected by other forms of mental illness? Perhaps psychosis? I guess lack of blue light must have some effect in night people?

I think this is something that needs to be looked in to that maybe lights do affect the mind as much as sound as well. If anyone here know of any light therapy products or hypnotic light products you've tried, let me know. Some of those Christmas lighting that reflects colorful images on the houses does feel a bit hypnotic. Those trance music club lighting as well. If in the future these lighting are "enhanced" to affect the mind, that should be interesting.


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Re: could light and sounds be "psychedelic" or perhaps "hypnotic"? [Re: CLIT]
    #23914526 - 12/10/16 08:53 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I have had unmistakable flashes of visuals during sound healing concerts with gong, didgeridoo and crystal bowl. It's only a flash and it's rare but it can happen.


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Re: could light and sounds be "psychedelic" or perhaps "hypnotic"? [Re: TGS]
    #23914562 - 12/10/16 09:11 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I was surfing the other day, and noticed these very very strange lights coming into my vision while waiting for a wave. They were small, and dancing around each other wherever i looked. Even if i wasn't focusing on them, they were there. They weren't round either, it was like light looked when you move your head really quickly past it, but they weren't moving quickly.
I used to have depression and i have antisocial personality disorder, i don't know if that is why, but it was strange at the least.


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Re: could light and sounds be "psychedelic" or perhaps "hypnotic"? [Re: Ancestoralbeings]
    #23919158 - 12/12/16 10:57 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

There are Audio Visual light and sound machines that do indeed create some pretty interesting effects. There's solid research and data on their use and effectiveness in some areas. Just google AVS light and sound machine. They combine bineural audio (use GOOD headphone, seriously makes a difference) with multi colored LED's flashing at specific frequencies and patterns. Fun stuff :smile:

I've only used them with cannabis or no drugs and they can indeed put you in various altered states.

I own the Pyrocon (think thats how its spelled) model.


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Re: could light and sounds be "psychedelic" or perhaps "hypnotic"? [Re: brainysmurf]
    #23919199 - 12/12/16 11:08 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I heard about those "Isolation Tanks" which are sealed rooms without any light and soundproof, the bath inside contains magnesium sulphate so that you float without an effort.

this causes sensory deprivation and probably some interesting things can happen inside.


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Re: could light and sounds be "psychedelic" or perhaps "hypnotic"? [Re: psilosalvia]
    #23919914 - 12/12/16 02:51 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Check this out:
I read somewhere also that this light therapy can give you a straight-on visual trip, but I can't seem to find it at the moment.

http://lucialight.com/how-does-it-work/


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Re: could light and sounds be "psychedelic" or perhaps "hypnotic"? [Re: Jenjens]
    #23921645 - 12/13/16 03:54 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I'm waiting for you to find it. Was it a review by someone or more like a legitimate study?

I've tried those blue light therapy thing made by Philips. Made me manic and aggressive. Maybe blue lights wasn't for me as it's made for people with Seasonal Affective Disorder, people who don't see much blue skies and sunlight, etc.

http://www.usa.philips.com/c-p/HF3332_60/golite-blu-energy-light

These Lucia lights you mentioned stated this:

"Lucia has a low voltage central halogen light and 8 LED lights. It is not recommended for epileptics, or people who are light sensitive. Otherwise, it is perfectly safe, as it is experienced with eyes closed. Light enters the retina, into the pineal gland, or 3rd eye."

How does light "enter" with eyes closed? Can someone explain?

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Check this out:
I read somewhere also that this light therapy can give you a straight-on visual trip, but I can't seem to find it at the moment.

http://lucialight.com/how-does-it-work/




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Re: could light and sounds be "psychedelic" or perhaps "hypnotic"? [Re: brainysmurf]
    #23921655 - 12/13/16 04:04 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

LEDs does have dangers:

http://www.ehow.com/facts_6936769_blue-led-light-dangers.html

I hope they are referring to other LEDs not the ones that are in these "light therapy" boxes they sell.

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There are Audio Visual light and sound machines that do indeed create some pretty interesting effects. There's solid research and data on their use and effectiveness in some areas. Just google AVS light and sound machine. They combine bineural audio (use GOOD headphone, seriously makes a difference) with multi colored LED's flashing at specific frequencies and patterns. Fun stuff :smile:

I've only used them with cannabis or no drugs and they can indeed put you in various altered states.

I own the Pyrocon (think thats how its spelled) model.




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Re: could light and sounds be "psychedelic" or perhaps "hypnotic"? [Re: CLIT]
    #23921676 - 12/13/16 04:30 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I remember reading "the holographic universe" and there was a couple who managed to induce psychedelic trips to their patients via music, light, dancing and touch.

Need to look for it.


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Re: could light and sounds be "psychedelic" or perhaps "hypnotic"? [Re: ZacksJourney]
    #23925032 - 12/14/16 05:51 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

is it a sci fi book or what? what music?


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Re: could light and sounds be "psychedelic" or perhaps "hypnotic"? [Re: CLIT]
    #23925063 - 12/14/16 06:18 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Not sci-fi. It's by michael talbot you should read it, pretty amazing.
I'll look for this chapter and repost.


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Re: could light and sounds be "psychedelic" or perhaps "hypnotic"? [Re: ZacksJourney]
    #23925237 - 12/14/16 08:41 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I believe light can induce a "psychedelic" effect, but also sound and especially music can tap into it this as well.

To me it's all about energy. (Period. - End of story)...

Experienced thru:

- Vibration.

- Frequency.

- Resonance(in terms of "never really dissipating").

It's these certain frequencies we can sometimes connect to that cause the phenomenon. Connections (i.e. openings or portals) can happen thru chemical means, or even involuntarily thru the energy of sound vibrations. 

It's that magic that some musicians and artists can channel into, propelling them and often times an audience or onlookers into a different state of being. sometimes these channels and frequencies are tapped completely by accident or innocently, other times these powers can be manipulated or used in not so wholesome of ways.

Its kind of a scary thought to think about, but that's the light/dark we traverse in this world. It's up to the individual to choose the right path when entered into these energy-shared realms and they should be approached with due caution.

The implications of sound and light "magic" (i.e. Energy produced vibrations and frequencies) are truely endless.

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Re: could light and sounds be "psychedelic" or perhaps "hypnotic"? [Re: brainysmurf]
    #24256144 - 04/19/17 03:52 AM (6 years, 9 months ago)

Procyon.

How did you hear about this? I'm just looking into it.

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There are Audio Visual light and sound machines that do indeed create some pretty interesting effects. There's solid research and data on their use and effectiveness in some areas. Just google AVS light and sound machine. They combine bineural audio (use GOOD headphone, seriously makes a difference) with multi colored LED's flashing at specific frequencies and patterns. Fun stuff :smile:

I've only used them with cannabis or no drugs and they can indeed put you in various altered states.

I own the Pyrocon (think thats how its spelled) model.




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Re: could light and sounds be "psychedelic" or perhaps "hypnotic"? [Re: CLIT]
    #24258784 - 04/20/17 02:16 AM (6 years, 9 months ago)

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is it a sci fi book or what? what music?





Now that is just fucking crazy.

I just read the book by Talbot again and landed on the chapter (3) I was talking about.

Look for Stanislav grof techniques, he wrote about it in his book "The Adventure Of Self Discovery".

Talking about synchronicity.

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There you go:

https://www.scribd.com/doc/76669667/Stanislav-Grof-The-Adventure-of-Self-Discovery


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Re: could light and sounds be "psychedelic" or perhaps "hypnotic"? [Re: brainysmurf]
    #24272225 - 04/26/17 03:07 AM (6 years, 9 months ago)

Are you familiar with the writings of author Michael Hutchison? He wrote the books Mega Brain, plus other writings about mind machines or brain machines. There's even stuff out there regarding uses of magnets for brain function...

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There are Audio Visual light and sound machines that do indeed create some pretty interesting effects. There's solid research and data on their use and effectiveness in some areas. Just google AVS light and sound machine. They combine bineural audio (use GOOD headphone, seriously makes a difference) with multi colored LED's flashing at specific frequencies and patterns. Fun stuff :smile:

I've only used them with cannabis or no drugs and they can indeed put you in various altered states.

I own the Pyrocon (think thats how its spelled) model.




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Re: could light and sounds be "psychedelic" or perhaps "hypnotic"? [Re: CLIT]
    #24272259 - 04/26/17 04:32 AM (6 years, 9 months ago)

this is the first time I have heard of 'mind machines'. they sound interesting. I must research this a bit on the weekend to see if they are just some new age gimmicky thing or are legit for experiencing some mild psychedelic experiences


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Re: could light and sounds be "psychedelic" or perhaps "hypnotic"? [Re: Spirit Seeker]
    #24274985 - 04/27/17 03:18 AM (6 years, 8 months ago)

I'm not sure all psychedelic experiences mean you'd be hallucinating like you would on LSD.

Psychedelic synonyms:

hallucinatory, trippy, dream-like, mind-bending, mind-altering, mind-expanding, mind-blowing, bizarre, surreal


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Re: could light and sounds be "psychedelic" or perhaps "hypnotic"? [Re: Spirit Seeker]
    #24275173 - 04/27/17 07:37 AM (6 years, 8 months ago)

Yeah it's obscure.

There are some mind machines reviewed here:

https://wiki.ezvid.com/best-mind-machines

I'm looking to get one for my birthday.

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this is the first time I have heard of 'mind machines'. they sound interesting. I must research this a bit on the weekend to see if they are just some new age gimmicky thing or are legit for experiencing some mild psychedelic experiences




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Re: could light and sounds be "psychedelic" or perhaps "hypnotic"? [Re: CLIT]
    #24276145 - 04/27/17 02:02 PM (6 years, 8 months ago)

I get high from listening to Psytrance/High-tech + having a room with UV Lights and paintings/drawings , nice patterns .

Summing up , a nice atmosphere + a hardcore bass playing my music gets me high and hyponised
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Re: could light and sounds be "psychedelic" or perhaps "hypnotic"? [Re: EternitySeeker]
    #24276390 - 04/27/17 03:51 PM (6 years, 8 months ago)

What kind of lighting product do you have? Is the Hypnotic Light Cube (sold by Sharper Image) a good one to try? It's $100.


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Re: could light and sounds be "psychedelic" or perhaps "hypnotic"? [Re: CLIT]
    #24282603 - 04/29/17 09:27 PM (6 years, 8 months ago)

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Yeah it's obscure.

There are some mind machines reviewed here:

https://wiki.ezvid.com/best-mind-machines

I'm looking to get one for my birthday.

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this is the first time I have heard of 'mind machines'. they sound interesting. I must research this a bit on the weekend to see if they are just some new age gimmicky thing or are legit for experiencing some mild psychedelic experiences







They are certainly interesting. I have looked at a bit of amazon reviews and can't seem to find much people saying that they didn't work (so it seems that the light therapy is actually legit, at the very least it seems to help people achieve very relaxed states). that is, the negative revieiws seem to only be about the product arriving broken, or the cheap quality materials that some are made with (not about using one and not experiencing anything)

I am really interested in the Lucia Light device, that one seems to be the top of the range product, but I think it is very expensive (I want to email and ask how much they cost).

I also came across another device called a dream-machine (there are a few threads on here and the nexus about them), its like a cylinder with holes cut out and is on a turntable with a lightbulb in the middle (you can buy them or make them yourself), and you 'look' at it with closed eyes while it is spinning and it is supposed to produce some visuals. (one person on the nexus said that the Lucia light is nothing more than a dream-machine, but then another guy who actually used the lucia light said that it is similar but produces much more intense/profound experiences)

they mention this light therapy being good for the pineal gland, and it probably stimulates it to produce DMT (but probably not nearly as much as consuming 'synthetic' DMT). I wonder if the effects would be even more profound if someone was to de-calcify their pineal gland (from abstaining from fluoride containing water and toothpaste, which is probably 80% of the contributor). as their pineal glands would then be in better shape to more efficiently produce the spirit molecule(s?).

overall, so far the light therapy seems to be very legit, and I definatly adding it to my 'one day I will own' list


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Re: could light and sounds be "psychedelic" or perhaps "hypnotic"? [Re: Spirit Seeker]
    #24282696 - 04/29/17 10:05 PM (6 years, 8 months ago)

buying a light machine is so 2010

just install the mindroid app and get a google cardboard for $10 :cool:


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Re: could light and sounds be "psychedelic" or perhaps "hypnotic"? [Re: FckingNameless]
    #24295066 - 05/04/17 12:10 PM (6 years, 8 months ago)

does it work?

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just install the mindroid app and get a google cardboard for $10 :cool:




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Re: could light and sounds be "psychedelic" or perhaps "hypnotic"? [Re: CLIT]
    #24298059 - 05/05/17 05:12 PM (6 years, 8 months ago)

I have the laxman light and sound machine, and they do work quite well, they can give you some very intence trips even dmt type experiences on occasion , the more you use these machines the deeper they will bring you, the laxman is about 600 $ brand new but its a top quality product , there are others that are relativly cheaper but i havnt tried them personaly but have heard great things about them.

Heres the site for the laxman
http://www.neurotronics.eu/index.php?id=116&L=2

Asfor the lucia#3 ive heard some good storys about it but with a 20,000 doller pricetag  its a bit out of the question for most.

Heres a link to a bunch of good info on various light machines and with lots on ppls experiences and experimentation with them.its quite a long but good thread with lots on the top machines on the market today.
http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_astral_consciousness/laxman_light_and_sound_machine-t36015.0.html

These machines are a extremely wonderful tool and worth a try for anyone interested in achieving different states of conciousness naturaly and consistantly.


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Re: could light and sounds be "psychedelic" or perhaps "hypnotic"? [Re: Marmie]
    #24298240 - 05/05/17 06:38 PM (6 years, 8 months ago)

I can't find the app I used to have around 2012. It was a mind machine app. It combined binural beats and visual pulses to induce different brain wave patterns. I would put headphones in, put the screen on my face, and zone off.

It did something. I can't explain it too well. I wasn't disciplined enough with it and they say the more you do the better you get. I would liken it to a type of meditation. I will try this mindroid app...


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Re: could light and sounds be "psychedelic" or perhaps "hypnotic"? [Re: 277volt808]
    #24317502 - 05/13/17 08:29 PM (6 years, 8 months ago)

Plenty more products regarding brain or mind machines here:

braintuner.com

toolsforwellness.com

Some interesting products there.

Also, lots more info. in the link below:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mind_machine

I wonder if the Brion Gysin dreamachine is commercially available?


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Re: could light and sounds be "psychedelic" or perhaps "hypnotic"? [Re: CLIT]
    #24317909 - 05/14/17 12:26 AM (6 years, 8 months ago)

I used to watch Milkdrop Winamp visuals sober and the experience is definitely psychedelic.

Ive also had a shroom flashback trigger from playing a level on Halo 2.

I definitelty believe certain lights, videos and sounds effects/music can trigger a flashback-like experience.


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Re: could light and sounds be "psychedelic" or perhaps "hypnotic"? [Re: CLIT]
    #24381373 - 06/06/17 02:01 AM (6 years, 7 months ago)

If anyone here is familiar with color therapy glasses such as the ones sold here:

https://www.toolsforwellness.com/product-category/sound-light-therapy/sound-light-therapy-color-therapy-glasses/

Let me know how it's working for you. From my experience, although not a color therapy glasses but more like sunglasses with different color lenses that I have tried. Green lenses made me feel "different", whereas "amber" lenses were calming for me. There's an article that talked about amber glasses used for bipolar patients. See this article:

Blue Light–Blocking Glasses May Reduce Bipolar Mania

http://psychnews.psychiatryonline.org/doi/full/10.1176/appi.pn.2016.8a24

This youtube video is very interesting as well:



I liked the quote regarding light and how what we see directly with our eyes has an impact on us which I will interpret; anything that you see with your eyes gets processed by the brain and becomes your reality. Ex: if you see violence on TV (news/tv) that leads your brain to think it's what's your reality (even though it's only in movies). So my take here is that seeing the world through colored lenses (is like seeing the world through different eyes) does have a different effect on the brain (as some form of light therapy). I wonder if they have something for auditory therapy so that way any shit-talk that I hear could be perceived by me differently (other than earplugs!). I wish there was some kind of auditory plug where any shit I hear sounds more pleasant than not. Any idea where I can find these?

I believe using different colored lenses on sunglasses/glasses changes perceptions. Maybe certain colored glasses may prevent one from being biased against another human being that they see through different colored lenses.


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Re: could light and sounds be "psychedelic" or perhaps "hypnotic"? [Re: CLIT]
    #24872185 - 12/27/17 06:46 PM (6 years, 1 month ago)

Anyone here think the upcoming "augmented reality" product from Magic Leap is similar to what I'm describing within this thread or is it more like a VR (virtual reality) sort of product for gamers?


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    #25262019 - 06/11/18 05:21 PM (5 years, 7 months ago)

I'm curious if the sound system in that concert was "audiophile" material, meaning it's high tech? Where was this sound healing concert? Who was the artist?

Regarding crystal bowl, was it your own or provided at the concert?

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Re: could light and sounds be "psychedelic" or perhaps "hypnotic"? [Re: Marmie]
    #25262240 - 06/11/18 06:58 PM (5 years, 7 months ago)

Regarding the mind machines mentioned in this thread; the Kasina has a caution not to use the machine when one is on psychoactive medications (I'm assuming prescription amphetamines and benzos count?), as these may intensify the effect of these "mind machines". I hope "intensify" meaning enhancement, LOL. I'd have to stop use of any prescription psychoactive medications before I use any "mind machines" such as the Kasina. Has anyone here ever used these machines while on a psychoactive substance?

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Marmie said:
I have the laxman light and sound machine, and they do work quite well, they can give you some very intence trips even dmt type experiences on occasion , the more you use these machines the deeper they will bring you, the laxman is about 600 $ brand new but its a top quality product , there are others that are relativly cheaper but i havnt tried them personaly but have heard great things about them.

Heres the site for the laxman
http://www.neurotronics.eu/index.php?id=116&L=2

Asfor the lucia#3 ive heard some good storys about it but with a 20,000 doller pricetag  its a bit out of the question for most.

Heres a link to a bunch of good info on various light machines and with lots on ppls experiences and experimentation with them.its quite a long but good thread with lots on the top machines on the market today.
http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_astral_consciousness/laxman_light_and_sound_machine-t36015.0.html

These machines are a extremely wonderful tool and worth a try for anyone interested in achieving different states of conciousness naturaly and consistantly.




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