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Re: We Are Living in a Dystopia [Re: Crystal G]
    #23942207 - 12/20/16 01:01 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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you're referencing what is, for the most part, a by-gone era.




No shit, that was exactly the point of my post. Did you even read my posts? The whole point was about how life is far more convenient now than it used to be centuries ago.

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Life right now for almost everybody in this country is a lot better than it used to be centuries ago.

I'm pretty happy right now with my cushy life, it would have to suck waking up at 3AM every time the rooster crows so I can plant my harvest and chop some wood by axe just to be able to stay warm in the winter. Take 4 hours to scrub all my laundry by hand, have to walk 3 miles to reach the closest neighbor just to send and receives messages into the real world, have to carry heavy buckets full of water all the way from the well just to have enough bath water to ration and reuse with the rest of the family.




So yes, I am in fact, referring to a by-gone era. That's the point. You saying how things are different now in the country is little relevance to my post.





i read your initial long-winded post about how country life is all hard work and no play, gloom-and-doom, cold and hungry, hot or sticky.


and i'm telling you that is false.  country life doesn't have to be like that.  and not all of that is due to high-tech gadgets, but SIMPLE innovative technologies and, most importantly, knowledge of a subject at hand


are there any other posts of yours in this thread that are relevant?


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Re: We Are Living in a Dystopia [Re: demiu5]
    #23942241 - 12/20/16 01:23 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Well of course country life is different now than it was centuries ago. Even in the country today, few people butcher and slaughter their own animals and use all the organs to make sausages and meat pies out of.

Notice how everything I wrote about the country pretty much implies that I'm specifically referring to country life from centuries ago... note the following phrases I made: "Butter was something only the wealthy could afford centuries ago," "none of your pots or pans are coated with teflon which leaves a lot of burnt residue stuck to the pan," "even a simple cooking task would take 6 to 8 hours out of the day," "you have to manually hand scrub and hang dry your laundry," "there is no refrigeration so all your meats would go stale," etc...

Isn't it obvious based on those statement I'm referring to a time in society before things like refrigerators and teflon still existed? Seriously, when was the last time butter was a delicacy only reserved for rich people? I'm talking shit from the pilgrims era.

So, again, my point was that this society is not dystopian, because life today is far better than it was centuries ago. So the fact that you say "country life now is not like what it used to be centuries ago" isn't relevant to my statement, in fact it seems to validate my point exactly.


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Re: We Are Living in a Dystopia [Re: Crystal G]
    #23942253 - 12/20/16 01:36 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Well of course country life is different now than it was centuries ago. Even in the country today, few people butcher and slaughter their own animals and use all the organs to make sausages and meat pies out of.

Notice how everything I wrote about the country pretty much implies that I'm specifically referring to country life from centuries ago... note the following phrases I made: "Butter was something only the wealthy could afford centuries ago," "none of your pots or pans are coated with teflon which leaves a lot of burnt residue stuck to the pan," "even a simple cooking task would take 6 to 8 hours out of the day," "you have to manually hand scrub and hang dry your laundry," "there is no refrigeration so all your meats would go stale," etc...

Isn't it obvious based on those statement I'm referring to a time in society before things like refrigerators and teflon still existed? Seriously, when was the last time butter was a delicacy only reserved for rich people? I'm talking shit from the pilgrims era.

So, again, my point was that this society is not dystopian, because life today is far better than it was centuries ago. So the fact that you say "country life now is not like what it used to be centuries ago" isn't relevant to my statement, in fact it seems to validate my point exactly.






oh great back-tracking crystal,g, i will forever on end somehow know EXACTLY WHAT DAY, MONTH, YEAR, DECADE, AND CENTURY all your posts are referring to, without you having to include any relevant information.

all you said was "country life", no time-frames.  lots of people couldn't afford butter during the depression.  are you sure you weren't talking about country life, then?  seeing as how i'm supposed to intuit across thousands of years a specific point-in-time.......


sorry, but no.



and just because life is "easier" doesn't distract from how economically, politically, health-wise, and environmentally fucked everyone and everything currently is.


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Re: We Are Living in a Dystopia [Re: Crystal G]
    #23942257 - 12/20/16 01:39 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Its hard to say how comfortably one could have lived, but I think quality of life was mostly shit due to taxation, war, famine, drought, etc

Ancient nomads were better off than pretty much anyone before the 20th century, and I view the negatives of our modern society as outweighing petty comforts

Back to the caves with yee


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Re: We Are Living in a Dystopia [Re: demiu5]
    #23942262 - 12/20/16 01:43 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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oh great back-tracking crystal,g, i will forever on end somehow know EXACTLY WHAT DAY, MONTH, YEAR, DECADE, AND CENTURY all your posts are referring to, without you having to include any relevant information.

all you said was "country life", no time-frames.  lots of people couldn't afford butter during the depression.  are you sure you weren't talking about country life, then?  seeing as how i'm supposed to intuit across thousands of years a specific point-in-time.......


sorry, but no.

and just because life is "easier" doesn't distract from how economically, politically, health-wise, and environmentally fucked everyone and everything currently is.




Are you serious? You mean to tell me that even after I specifically stated "a time before Teflon existed, when butter was for the wealthy, and refrigeration and laundry machines didn't exist," you STILL couldn't tell even after all that, that I'm clearly not referring to a recent point in history?

Not my fault you don't have a whole lot going on upstairs.

You would think common sense would prevail.


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Re: We Are Living in a Dystopia [Re: Crystal G]
    #23942266 - 12/20/16 01:47 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Crystal G said:
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demiu5 said:

oh great back-tracking crystal,g, i will forever on end somehow know EXACTLY WHAT DAY, MONTH, YEAR, DECADE, AND CENTURY all your posts are referring to, without you having to include any relevant information.

all you said was "country life", no time-frames.  lots of people couldn't afford butter during the depression.  are you sure you weren't talking about country life, then?  seeing as how i'm supposed to intuit across thousands of years a specific point-in-time.......


sorry, but no.

and just because life is "easier" doesn't distract from how economically, politically, health-wise, and environmentally fucked everyone and everything currently is.




Are you serious? You mean to tell me that even after I specifically stated "a time before Teflon existed, when butter was for the wealthy, and refrigeration and laundry machines didn't exist," you STILL couldn't tell even after all that, that I'm clearly not referring to a recent point in history?

Not my fault you don't have a whole lot going on upstairs.

You would think common sense would prevail.






Teflon wasn't discovered until the late 30's and marketed fully for cookware until the 1950's


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do you know when the great depression was?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Refrigerator#Commercial_and_domestic_refrigerators


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Re: We Are Living in a Dystopia [Re: demiu5]
    #23942269 - 12/20/16 01:51 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

The 20's and 30's. And what on earth makes you think that is at any point a "recent" time in history?

Do you know what a century is? The depression was almost a century ago.

I also stated a time before laundry machines and refrigeration was a thing, marking that timepoint far earlier than the Depression.

I even SPECIFICALLY stated, more than once, that I was referring to "centuries ago."

Holy shit, dude. Maybe you should read the post next time.


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Re: We Are Living in a Dystopia [Re: Crystal G]
    #23942273 - 12/20/16 01:54 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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The 20's and 30's. And what on earth makes you think that is at any point a "recent" time in history?

Do you know what a century is? The depression was almost a century ago.

I also stated a time before laundry machines and refrigeration was a thing, marking that timepoint far earlier than the Depression.

I even SPECIFICALLY stated, more than once, that I was referring to "centuries ago."

Holy shit, dude. Maybe you should read the post next time.






the 20's/30's are a pretty recent time in history, yes.  pretty much anything post-industrial revolution is recent history, as it directly influences our current state.


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Re: We Are Living in a Dystopia [Re: demiu5]
    #23942280 - 12/20/16 02:01 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

It's only "recent history" if you're comparing it to ALL of history, which is billions of years.

It's not "recent" in reference to this post, where we're talking about how society has changed and improved for the better compared to previous centuries.

In case it wasn't obvious, I'm not referring to homo habilis living out in caves millions of years ago.

Do you realize 100 years is a quarter of the entire time the United States of America has been around?

So obviously, in that context, it's NOT recent. The 1980's, THAT'S recent. The 1890's, not recent, especially when considering all the technological advancements that have popped up since the last half century that has made our lives easier. WHICH IS WHAT THESE POSTS ARE ABOUT.

Please use some common sense.


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    #23942285 - 12/20/16 02:03 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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It's only "recent history" if you're comparing it to ALL of history, which is billions of years.

It's not "recent" in reference to this post, where we're talking about how society has changed and improved for the better compared to previous centuries.

In case it wasn't obvious, I'm not referring to homo habilis living out in caves millions of years ago.

Do you realize 100 years is a quarter of the entire time the United States of America has been around?

So obviously, in that context, it's NOT recent. The 1980's, THAT'S recent. The 1890's, not recent, especially when considering all the technological advancements that have popped up since the last half century that has made our lives easier. WHICH IS WHAT THESE POSTS ARE ABOUT.

Please use some common sense.





i'm glad we have you, the arbiter-queen, to decide these things for us.  may you always be right, a shining star of shit on the sidewalk


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