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Re: Help with my philosophy. [Re: Middleman]
#23914466 - 12/10/16 08:28 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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True. And I plan on continuing my work on this, so maybe I'll get up there, haha.
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Re: Help with my philosophy. [Re: Solivagant]
#23914748 - 12/10/16 10:29 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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\so your philosophy has to be true...or realistic to be believed...in veed..and general directions...as a certain suture the idea is of the gnave of time..
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Solivagant said: Something must be all and wholly new to be worth existing? I don't aim to create something new, but to bring together all that I would want to claim as my own--and if something new happens to slip through, I'll take it. There hasn't been anything new from any time we can remember, all those that you listed borrowed from those before them. We stand too tall to claim newness; we stand on the shoulders of giants, and those before them, and so on.
You should seek to make things better for all you can.
Righteousness burns those who would help for their own ends.
"What man is a man who does not make the world better."
Words I don't like "I'll take it" and "claim as my own." ---> True Leaders do not lead with greed or power. They lead with Love and service to those they lead. All for one and one for all. Not my favorite principle I'll admit, but it has it's moments.
Not a fan of name dropping Jesus because of the ridicule many put to it and think I'm some propagandist, nutbag Christian, BUT listen to His message. Weed through the bullshit and just understand the message. The things He wrote and said were not bullshit, so if it sounds like bullshit to you... it wasn't He who wrote it.
Here's a slice from me: "My God is the Sun, My God is the Moon, My God is EVERYTHING around me." It IS like the all-powerful FORCE from Star Wars; Jedi+Sith, Ying+Yang etc.
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Re: Help with my philosophy. [Re: LRG]
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LRG said: Not a fan of name dropping Jesus because of the ridicule many put to it and think I'm some propagandist, nutbag Christian, BUT listen to His message. Weed through the bullshit and just understand the message. The things He wrote and said were not bullshit, so if it sounds like bullshit to you... it wasn't He who wrote it.
How do you know he wasn't made up out of whole cloth? And furthermore, if he existed, what makes you think he was divine (you capitalized "He" and "His" so I'm assuming you think this)? The divine truth is completely absent from the Bible, there's stuff attributed to Jesus that is horribly misogynist (basically any part where he endorses Mosaic law), and the rest of what he supposedly said is sort of middle of the road philosophy as far as I can tell. He was a Jewish (an extremely misogynist religion when everything in the Tanakh is considered the word of God as he implied) philosopher who thought he was God (if the Bible is accurate in that respect). The Bible is so full of bullshit that I pretty much ignore Jesus. I do occasionally quote him, but only the bits I consider to be alright (not divine, just apropos).
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Re: Help with my philosophy. [Re: Alyssa]
#23915901 - 12/11/16 10:29 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Alyssa said: How do you know he wasn't made up out of whole cloth? And furthermore, if he existed, what makes you think he was divine (you capitalized "He" and "His" so I'm assuming you think this)? The divine truth is completely absent from the Bible, there's stuff attributed to Jesus that is horribly misogynist (basically any part where he endorses Mosaic law), and the rest of what he supposedly said is sort of middle of the road philosophy as far as I can tell. He was a Jewish (an extremely misogynist religion when everything in the Tanakh is considered the word of God as he implied) philosopher who thought he was God (if the Bible is accurate in that respect). The Bible is so full of bullshit that I pretty much ignore Jesus. I do occasionally quote him, but only the bits I consider to be alright (not divine, just apropos).
As I said "If it sounds like bullshit He didn't write it" nor does He approve of others manipulating His words to meet their own ends. Here's one of His teachings, Hebrews 12:22-24. Read that and tell me it's bullshit.
Jesus was very real. You shouldn't ignore Him. It's easy for women to dislike the Bible and men who talk about it in general. But He also taught "But ever since we stopped burning incense to the Queen of Heaven and pouring out drink offerings to her, we have had nothing and have been perishing by sword and famine." Isiah 44:15-18.
He is a She, but the Father is the LORD. He's really not a nice guy when you piss Him off. No being has even been birthed without a woman. No being has ever been created without male and female. Jesus was conceived by the Holy Spirit, The Word of God, which is the male counterpart to the Divine Goddess. See? I'm not some holier than thou believer of gospel and nothing else. My mind remains open to all around me.
Want my opinion? Women are superior to men. Does that make you feel better? I dislike any man who doesn't treat his lady like a queen. Just because I quote the Bible and believe in Jesus does not mean I adhere to every word the Bible contains as Gospel. I'm not one of those people who talk about how great Jesus was and waits for Him to come back. I ACT as a blessing to those who meet me. I treat them with Love, respect, and understanding so that any bad word said about me will not be believed by those who know my Heart. Care about the opinions of others, I do not. Care about the opinions of my Family, I do. Part of the Family of God, I am. No I am not Jesus, and NO He did not believe He was God.
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Re: Help with my philosophy. [Re: LRG]
#23916066 - 12/11/16 11:38 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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...there is no actual evidence whatsoever 'Jesus of Nazareth' even existed! So it is not making sense to assume this and then pontificate. It is taking mythos literally and that is the danger as history has and continues to show.
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Re: Help with my philosophy. [Re: zzripz]
#23916209 - 12/11/16 12:41 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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the good thing about referencing your jesus symbol/cypher, is that you can resolve a very simple meaning/teaching.
personally I would go even simpler, and be free of the religious baggage
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Re: Help with my philosophy. [Re: zzripz]
#23918402 - 12/12/16 01:26 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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zzripz said: ...there is no actual evidence whatsoever 'Jesus of Nazareth' even existed! So it is not making sense to assume this and then pontificate. It is taking mythos literally and that is the danger as history has and continues to show.
I love the fact checkers and evidence seekers. "I wasn't there, so it didn't happen." Here's what I counter with to them: Many claim to be free of judgement or open minded, but cannot entertain the thought of something that is beyond your infantile knowledge. Then put someone down for believing in something that isn't bad at all. Then again, not every "Christian" is like me. Many defend their Prophet for profit and grandstanding. I do not.
Here's what I dislike. Even if Jesus were imaginary... why do so many people scoff at the idea of Love, Peace, and understanding that the Kingdom of Heaven is within you? I mean... how could that be bad? I just don't get it.
He would laugh at the idea that He never existed. I guarantee you He thinks it's funny as shit when people don't believe he is real. He could care less man. All He wants is people to stop killing in His name, Love for all things, and world peace. You dare stand against those principles and goals?
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Re: Help with my philosophy. [Re: LRG]
#23918575 - 12/12/16 04:30 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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I love the fact checkers and evidence seekers.
It is a good job you do other wise crimes would never be investigated and solved, etc. AND people wouldn't get sucked into cults, including the military cult and lose their very freedom and even limbs and life!
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"I wasn't there, so it didn't happen."
were you there? No? I didn't think so, so all you believe and say is conjecture depending on false history.
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Here's what I counter with to them: Many claim to be free of judgement or open minded, but cannot entertain the thought of something that is beyond your infantile knowledge. Then put someone down for believing in something that isn't bad at all. Then again, not every "Christian" is like me. Many defend their Prophet for profit and grandstanding. I do not.
'Infantile' knowledge? I see you are trying to insult my intelligence there.
But isn't it infants who are led to believe in Father Christmas?
You presume believing in the Christian myth cannot be bad. Go and tell this to the many African people who are part of the LGBT community who are persecuted by the Christian preachers who call them out as being evil and against 'God/Jesus', and their blind followers also share this hatred and act it out!
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Here's what I dislike. Even if Jesus were imaginary... why do so many people scoff at the idea of Love, Peace, and understanding that the Kingdom of Heaven is within you? I mean... how could that be bad? I just don't get it.
He would laugh at the idea that He never existed. I guarantee you He thinks it's funny as shit when people don't believe he is real. He could care less man. All He wants is people to stop killing in His name, Love for all things, and world peace. You dare stand against those principles and goals?
Errrm, how could 'he' laugh at the idea that 'He' never existed if he didn't exist? I am not getting your reasoning here!
Then suddenly you jump to 'knowing' he thinks it's funny? How do you KNOW this?
Then in typically presumptive fashion you assume I am against world peace, and thus all of us who don't buy your absurd myth must be against world peace?
Listen, I am open-minded enough to know that people who are termed athiests are not all into global warmongering. Why do you assume only Jesus and his followers feel that? Oh and don't you Christians long for some future End Times Armageddon where the world is 'put right' and the 'Devil' is locked away?
I really don't think you even know the myth you try and defend.
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Re: Help with my philosophy. [Re: LRG]
#23918587 - 12/12/16 04:49 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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LRG said: ... I guarantee you He thinks it's funny as shit when people don't believe he is real. ...
This sentence tells us you think Jesus is alive now as a person or as a god, and that invalidates anything else you might have written.
Keep it simple, but keep it plausible. If Jesus lived, 2000 years ago, he is not alive now, or he is redwood tree.
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Re: Help with my philosophy. [Re: zzripz]
#23919730 - 12/12/16 02:00 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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I love the fact checkers and evidence seekers.
It is a good job you do other wise crimes would never be investigated and solved, etc. AND people wouldn't get sucked into cults, including the military cult and lose their very freedom and even limbs and life!
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"I wasn't there, so it didn't happen."
were you there? No? I didn't think so, so all you believe and say is conjecture depending on false history.
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Here's what I counter with to them: Many claim to be free of judgement or open minded, but cannot entertain the thought of something that is beyond your infantile knowledge. Then put someone down for believing in something that isn't bad at all. Then again, not every "Christian" is like me. Many defend their Prophet for profit and grandstanding. I do not.
'Infantile' knowledge? I see you are trying to insult my intelligence there.
But isn't it infants who are led to believe in Father Christmas?
You presume believing in the Christian myth cannot be bad. Go and tell this to the many African people who are part of the LGBT community who are persecuted by the Christian preachers who call them out as being evil and against 'God/Jesus', and their blind followers also share this hatred and act it out!
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Here's what I dislike. Even if Jesus were imaginary... why do so many people scoff at the idea of Love, Peace, and understanding that the Kingdom of Heaven is within you? I mean... how could that be bad? I just don't get it.
He would laugh at the idea that He never existed. I guarantee you He thinks it's funny as shit when people don't believe he is real. He could care less man. All He wants is people to stop killing in His name, Love for all things, and world peace. You dare stand against those principles and goals?
Errrm, how could 'he' laugh at the idea that 'He' never existed if he didn't exist? I am not getting your reasoning here!
Then suddenly you jump to 'knowing' he thinks it's funny? How do you KNOW this?
Then in typically presumptive fashion you assume I am against world peace, and thus all of us who don't buy your absurd myth must be against world peace?
Listen, I am open-minded enough to know that people who are termed athiests are not all into global warmongering. Why do you assume only Jesus and his followers feel that? Oh and don't you Christians long for some future End Times Armageddon where the world is 'put right' and the 'Devil' is locked away?
I really don't think you even know the myth you try and defend.
I'm not a Christian. I am me. I adhere to no religion or philosophy but my own. Anyone labeling me to that because I mention Jesus is a hypocritical possessor of poor judgement.
How do I know? I just do. Maybe I know Him. Maybe I'm just a fucking nutter. Pick one.
Jesus loves LGBT people and minorities. He loves everyone man. He just wants YOU to be happy. It's the "Christians" you were so kind enough to put me in the same basket with that have a problem with them. Those people have the wrong idea. Do not get distracted by people like that. They are the grand-standers and profiteers We do not like. Believe it or not He rubs MANY, MANY Christians the wrong way.
Satan will only be locked away for 1000 years. Pretty short amount of time when you think about it, so it's really not a goal to shoot for. We DO NOT LIKE the word Armageddon or Apocalypse, I do not speak for Christians. People who sit around and talk about how great Christ was and do nothing are complacent fools and slugs. We don't like them, but they can be retaught the meaning of Christ.
As far as insulting your intelligence... no I was not. Here in "3rd grade" most are all "3rd graders." We all have much to learn and teach each other. In learning you will teach and in teaching you will learn. I'm an A+ student, but still not a very good one IMO. Teacher just likes me I guess.
First step is to fix Africa as it were. That place needs the most help. Segregated by war and rampant with poverty, disease, and death.
Getting rid of zoos is on the list too. No sentient being born into the wild should be held captive. We HATE Seaworld. That's right We do HATE some things. We do love our domesticated animals though.
I was not there for the birth of Christ. I just believe. I think it's funny as hell man. You choose not to believe. That's cool. I have Faith, Hope, Love for all things, understanding for everyone I meet, and judge not. I will not judge another person for their beliefs or prejudices. I am a young, simple man who gives everything and asks for nothing in return. I am part of no cult or organized religion. I recognize all faiths have a say and believe that wisdom can come from anywhere. Literally mean ANYWHERE you do not have to be part of any faith to have wisdom or have a say, obviously, but you are very quick to jump the gun and assume.
So you think people who are in the military are gullible? Perhaps it is the best way they can support themselves and/or their families? Pays for college, steady work, and you get first class upgrades when you fly. Not a bad wrap, I'd say. Perhaps some of them are gullible. Perhaps some of them are actually quite smart, and know they have can seize the most of that opportunity and make something of themselves their families can be proud of. If it makes them happy... who the fuck are you to judge them?
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Re: Help with my philosophy. [Re: LRG]
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So you think people who are in the military are gullible? Perhaps it is the best way they can support themselves and/or their families? Pays for college, steady work, and you get first class upgrades when you fly. Not a bad wrap, I'd say. Perhaps some of them are gullible. Perhaps some of them are actually quite smart, and know they have can seize the most of that opportunity and make something of themselves their families can be proud of. If it makes them happy... who the fuck are you to judge them?
...who the fuck are you to judge me judging them, ey?
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Re: Help with my philosophy. [Re: LRG]
#23920086 - 12/12/16 03:37 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Lol, do you even know what geology is? Fossil records and carbon dating etc? You don't have to be somewhere to know what happened, otherwise crime scene investigators wouldn't have a job.
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hooray for experts!
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Re: Help with my philosophy. [Re: sudly]
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So you think people who are in the military are gullible? Perhaps it is the best way they can support themselves and/or their families? Pays for college, steady work, and you get first class upgrades when you fly. Not a bad wrap, I'd say. Perhaps some of them are gullible. Perhaps some of them are actually quite smart, and know they have can seize the most of that opportunity and make something of themselves their families can be proud of. If it makes them happy... who the fuck are you to judge them?
...who the fuck are you to judge me judging them, ey?
I'm not judging. I am simply stating the obvious. If you're offended then it's probably true. If you're happy to sit on an internet forum and rifle through everything anyone says, more power to you. I don't care. After all the positive things I said... the one thing you focus on is that? I mean come on man, have a heart. Live a little, Love a lot.
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sudly said: Lol, do you even know what geology is? Fossil records and carbon dating etc? You don't have to be somewhere to know what happened, otherwise crime scene investigators wouldn't have a job.
As a matter of fact I do. Geology is the study of the Earth. Fossil records are records of time hidden beneath Earth's surface. Carbon dating is a method used to determine the amount of time an object has been on the Earth. Forgive the general definition, I'm sure I missed specifics. I'm not about to use Google to prove a point, but I'm certain my statements are true enough. Come on gimme a hard one.
Aren't geologists like the Diet Coke of scientists? That's what the gay guy on that science shows says. More worried about what's on the land and in the dirt than the all the things living in the ocean. Yes, I know there are those oceanographers and marine biologists to take care of that. So separated. =[.
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Re: Help with my philosophy. [Re: LRG]
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I'm not judging.
of course you were. But as is typical with the Christian belief system, the practice is mostly hypocritical.
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That's what the gay guy on that science shows says.
'Gay guy'? What do you mean by this?
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Re: Help with my philosophy. [Re: zzripz]
#23921782 - 12/13/16 06:42 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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complete loss of focus going on here, probably due to a christian religious skirmish and adolescent tempers.
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Re: Help with my philosophy. [Re: LRG]
#23921795 - 12/13/16 06:55 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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The only reason people should worry about the land or dirt is because it sustains our agriculture.
Jesus dude, these things are important. Pollution control, land use, resource sustainability etc.
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Re: Help with my philosophy. [Re: zzripz]
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sudly said: The only reason people should worry about the land or dirt is because it sustains our agriculture.
Jesus dude, these things are important. Pollution control, land use, resource sustainability etc.
Did I say they weren't? Those things you mention are incredibly important, but I believe they are classified under Environmental Sciences not Geology. Right? Protect Mother Earth. Take care of Her. Love Her. She's the only we get.
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I'm not judging.
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That's what the gay guy on that science shows says.
'Gay guy'? What do you mean by this?
The gay guy on that Big Bang Show... yes I know his name, Jim Parsons. He's awesome. Super nice guy.
I'm not a Christian. Fuck Jesus man, fuck Him right in the ear. Would a Christian say that? "Exalt the Message not the Messenger."
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Re: Help with my philosophy. [Re: LRG]
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Aren't geologists like the Diet Coke of scientists? That's what the gay guy on that science shows says. More worried about what's on the land and in the dirt than the all the things living in the ocean.
Sounded like you were saying there shouldn't be as much worry over the land and dirt.
But then again for climate change the temperature of the water is more extensive and effective so in a sense I guess you could be more worried about the oceans health.
I don't really know what your positions are but at least you said to take care of mother Earth
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