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I'm just not trying to perpetuate the western approach to mental illness, which is by and large about stifling the experience through pharmaceuticals without attempting to integrate actual mental skills for dealing with intrusive, delusional thoughts.
But he's mentally ill because of self administered pharmaceuticals, if you can call meth that. I would have thought the 'western approach' in this case, would be to make him stop the pharmaceuticals....
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Re: DrUg fREe fOr A wHiLe nOw!! [Re: brk]
#24005705 - 01/12/17 09:51 PM (7 years, 18 days ago) |
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I totally agree, I think that would be best.
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Excellent, then all is right and the world can return to it's usual.....oh wait we solved nothing, and rhizo's still bat shit crazy..... shit.
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Re: DrUg fREe fOr A wHiLe nOw!! [Re: koods]
#24005924 - 01/12/17 11:30 PM (7 years, 18 days ago) |
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N/m..
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Edited by Amanita86 (01/12/17 11:42 PM)
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He frequently discussed his delusions but back then he knew they were delusions. Now he doesn't know they are delusions. One of the hallmarks of schizophrenia is they don't know they are crazy.
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Re: DrUg fREe fOr A wHiLe nOw!! [Re: brk]
#24005931 - 01/12/17 11:39 PM (7 years, 18 days ago) |
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brk said:
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Chakra Shock said:
I'm just not trying to perpetuate the western approach to mental illness, which is by and large about stifling the experience through pharmaceuticals without attempting to integrate actual mental skills for dealing with intrusive, delusional thoughts.
But he's mentally ill because of self administered pharmaceuticals, if you can call meth that. I would have thought the 'western approach' in this case, would be to make him stop the pharmaceuticals....
I doubt his illness is drug induced. The drugs don't help but you don't get chronic psychosis like that from meth use.
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Re: DrUg fREe fOr A wHiLe nOw!! [Re: koods]
#24005943 - 01/12/17 11:44 PM (7 years, 18 days ago) |
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"Amphetamine, amphetamine" [SNIP]
On second thought I dont know if I can post that even though it's youtube and he puts links up. I know how your little weenie perks to life when you get a chance to ban me..
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Re: DrUg fREe fOr A wHiLe nOw!! [Re: koods]
#24006176 - 01/13/17 04:01 AM (7 years, 17 days ago) |
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I'd chill with you, Rhizo.
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Re: DrUg fREe fOr A wHiLe nOw!! [Re: mctaveesh]
#24007243 - 01/13/17 01:57 PM (7 years, 17 days ago) |
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good job buen trabaho
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With schizophrenia, the medication often HAS to come first. In severe cases theres no way to communicate past the illness wall
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Re: DrUg fREe fOr A wHiLe nOw!! [Re: Rhizohunter]
#24007280 - 01/13/17 02:07 PM (7 years, 17 days ago) |
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Would love to hear the stand-up routine, Rhizo!
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Re: DrUg fREe fOr A wHiLe nOw!! [Re: Amanita86]
#24007281 - 01/13/17 02:07 PM (7 years, 17 days ago) |
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Amanita86 said: "Amphetamine, amphetamine" [SNIP]
On second thought I dont know if I can post that even though it's youtube and he puts links up. I know how your little weenie perks to life when you get a chance to ban me..
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Amanita86 said: "Amphetamine, amphetamine" [SNIP]
On second thought I dont know if I can post that even though it's youtube and he puts links up. I know how your little weenie perks to life when you get a chance to ban me..
Amphetamine psychosis is predominated by visual halluncination and thought disorders are rare. Rhizo has totally disordered thoughts - have you seen his posts about numbers?
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Re: DrUg fREe fOr A wHiLe nOw!! [Re: koods]
#24007340 - 01/13/17 02:26 PM (7 years, 17 days ago) |
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Amphetamine psychosis is predominated by visual halluncination and thought disorders are rare. Rhizo has totally disordered thoughts - have you seen his posts about numbers?
Meth does not cause disordered thoughts? No fucking way that's true.
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Re: DrUg fREe fOr A wHiLe nOw!! [Re: Rhizohunter]
#24007373 - 01/13/17 02:36 PM (7 years, 17 days ago) |
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Rhizo...your videos remind me of Brad Pitt's part in "12 Monkeys"
You got a lot of thoughts running around that cranium. Good luck to you.
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Re: DrUg fREe fOr A wHiLe nOw!! [Re: mctaveesh]
#24007391 - 01/13/17 02:40 PM (7 years, 17 days ago) |
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Amanita86 said: "Amphetamine, amphetamine" [SNIP]
On second thought I dont know if I can post that even though it's youtube and he puts links up. I know how your little weenie perks to life when you get a chance to ban me..
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Amphetamine psychosis is predominated by visual halluncination and thought disorders are rare. Rhizo has totally disordered thoughts - have you seen his posts about numbers?
Meth does not cause disordered thoughts? No fucking way that's true.
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According to MacKenzie and Heischober (1997), the hallucinations of schizophrenia usually are auditory, whereas those for chronic methamphetamine use are more commonly visual or tactile. Kaplan and Sadock (1994) discuss the difference between paranoid schizophrenia and an amphetamine-induced psychotic disorder. An amphetamine-induced psychotic disorder includes a predominance of visual hallucinations, generally appropriate affect, hyperactivity, hypersexuality, confusion and incoherence and little evidence of disordered thinking.
http://www.rnceus.com/meth/methpsych.html
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Re: DrUg fREe fOr A wHiLe nOw!! [Re: koods]
#24007398 - 01/13/17 02:43 PM (7 years, 17 days ago) |
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People who are psychotic from amphetamines talk about "shadow people" incessantly.
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Re: DrUg fREe fOr A wHiLe nOw!! [Re: koods]
#24007412 - 01/13/17 02:46 PM (7 years, 17 days ago) |
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"Confusion and Incoherence"
So they're confused themselves and nobody can understand what they're saying?
Sounds like disordered thoughts to me... Idk man that's written oddly.
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Re: DrUg fREe fOr A wHiLe nOw!! [Re: mctaveesh]
#24007550 - 01/13/17 03:28 PM (7 years, 17 days ago) |
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Does he seem confused to you? Yes. Does he think he's confused, No. He believes he's completely normal and it's other people who are confused. He doesn't even think there's anything wrong with him. That is thought disorder. A person without thought disorder would be aware they are confused. They would be saying things like "what is wrong with me?" And "I don't understand."
He doesn't seem to have any visual hallucinations. He's not suddenly looking away because something that isn't there caught his eye. Visual hallucinations are fairly rare in schizophrenia.
You can be delusional and aware that you are. He used to be like that. Now he has full blown schizophrenia and can't even recognize that his delusions aren't real. That is one of the defining characteristics of schizophrenia.
And he's not incoherent. I understand his sentences. They are grammatically correct. All the words makes sense. It's the ideas that don't make sense. Incoherence means you can't understand what they are saying, not what they are thinking.
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Re: DrUg fREe fOr A wHiLe nOw!! [Re: koods]
#24007570 - 01/13/17 03:35 PM (7 years, 17 days ago) |
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Symptoms of thought disorder:
- Alogia (also poverty of speech) – A poverty of speech, either in amount or content; it can occur as a negative symptom of schizophrenia.[1]
- Blocking – An abrupt stop in the middle of a train of thought; the individual may or may not be able to continue the idea.[9] This is a type of formal thought disorder that can be seen in schizophrenia.[1]
- Circumstantiality (also circumstantial thinking, or circumstantial speech) – An inability to answer a question without giving excessive, unnecessary detail.[9] This differs from tangential thinking, in that the person does eventually return to the original point.
- Clanging or Clang association – a severe form of flight of ideas whereby ideas are related only by similar or rhyming sounds rather than actual meaning.[9] This may be heard as excessive rhyming and/or alliteration. e.g. "Many moldy mushrooms merge out of the mildewy mud on Mondays." "I heard the bell. Well, hell, then I fell." It is most commonly seen in bipolar affective disorder (manic phase), although it is often observed in patients with primary psychoses, namely schizophrenia and schizoaffective disorder.
- Derailment (also loose association and knight's move thinking) – Thought and/or speech move, either spontaneously or in response to an internal stimulus (distinguishing derailment from "distractible speech," infra), from the topic's track onto another which is obliquely related or unrelated.[9] e.g. "The next day when I'd be going out you know, I took control, like uh, I put bleach on my hair in California."
- Distractible speech – During mid speech, the subject is changed in response to an external stimulus. e.g. "Then I left San Francisco and moved to... where did you get that tie?"
- Echolalia – Echoing of another's speech[9] that may only be committed once, or may be continuous in repetition. This may involve repeating only the last few words or last word of the examiner's sentences. This can be a symptom of Tourette's Syndrome. e.g. "What would you like for dinner?", "That's a good question. That's a good question. That's a good question. That's a good question."
- Evasive interaction – Attempts to express ideas and/or feelings about another individual come out as evasive or in a diluted form, e.g.: "I... er ah... you are uh... I think you have... uh-- acceptable erm... uh... hair."
- "Flight of ideas" – a form of formal thought disorder marked by abrupt leaps from one topic to another, albeit with discernable links between successive ideas, perhaps governed by similarities between subjects or, in somewhat higher grades, by rhyming, puns, and word plays (clang associations), or innocuous environmental stimuli – e.g., the sound of birds chirping. It is most characteristic of the manic phase of bipolar illness.
- Illogicality – Conclusions are reached that do not follow logically (non-sequiturs or faulty inferences). e.g. "Do you think this will fit in the box?" draws a reply like "Well duh; it's brown, isn't it?"
- Incoherence (word salad) – Speech that is unintelligible because, though the individual words are real words, the manner in which they are strung together results in incoherent gibberish,[9] e.g. the question "Why do people comb their hair?" elicits a response like "Because it makes a twirl in life, my box is broken help me blue elephant. Isn't lettuce brave? I like electrons, hello please!"
- Loss of goal – Failure to follow a train of thought to a natural conclusion. e.g. "Why does my computer keep crashing?", "Well, you live in a stucco house, so the pair of scissors needs to be in another drawer."
- Neologisms – New word formations.[9] These may also involve elisions of two words that are similar in meaning or in sound. e.g. "I got so angry I picked up a dish and threw it at the geshinker."
- Perseveration – Persistent repetition of words or ideas even when another person attempts to change the topic.[9] e.g. "It's great to be here in Nevada, Nevada, Nevada, Nevada, Nevada." This may also involve repeatedly giving the same answer to different questions. e.g. "Is your name Mary?" "Yes." "Are you in the hospital?" "Yes." "Are you a table?" "Yes." Perseveration can include palilalia and logoclonia, and can be an indication of organic brain disease such as Parkinson's.
- Phonemic paraphasia – Mispronunciation; syllables out of sequence. e.g. "I slipped on the lice and broke my arm."
- Pressure of speech – Unrelenting, rapid speech without pauses.[9] It may be difficult to interrupt the speaker, and the speaker may continue speaking even when a direct question is asked.
- Self-reference – Patient repeatedly and inappropriately refers back to self. e.g. "What's the time?", "It's 7 o'clock. That's my problem."
- Semantic paraphasia – Substitution of inappropriate word. e.g. "I slipped on the coat, on the ice I mean, and broke my book."
- Stilted speech – Speech characterized by the use of words or phrases that are flowery, excessive, and pompous.[9] e.g. "The attorney comported himself indecorously."
- Tangentiality – Wandering from the topic and never returning to it or providing the information requested.[9] e.g. in answer to the question "Where are you from?", a response "My dog is from England. They have good fish and chips there. Fish breathe through gills."
- Word approximations – Old words used in a new and unconventional way. e.g. "His boss was a seeover."
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Re: DrUg fREe fOr A wHiLe nOw!! [Re: koods]
#24007576 - 01/13/17 03:37 PM (7 years, 17 days ago) |
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Derailment (also loose association and knight's move thinking) – Thought and/or speech move, either spontaneously or in response to an internal stimulus (distinguishing derailment from "distractible speech," infra), from the topic's track onto another which is obliquely related or unrelated.[9] e.g. "The next day when I'd be going out you know, I took control, like uh, I put bleach on my hair in California."
Watch his videos. He does this constantly.
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