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A Zen Master takes Psilocybin for research... * 2
    #23909318 - 12/09/16 07:16 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)




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Re: A Zen Master takes Psilocybin for research... [Re: Asante]
    #23909324 - 12/09/16 07:20 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

anytime i kick the dose past 3 grams, I get a profound spiritual experience

either that or a standard 100 mic tab. Below that is all recreational. and 2cb is recreational at any dose I have tried it at


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Re: A Zen Master takes Psilocybin for research... [Re: topdog82] * 2
    #23911112 - 12/09/16 06:18 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

it sounds like a Tibetan lama would have taken this not a Zen master. Three reasons:
The video cited that he remembered the Tibetan Book of the Dead. It is from Switzerland where a large community of Tibetan exiles live. Tibetan Buddhists seem to gravitate more towards love and compassion where Zen seems to stress all existence is empty. I've spent quite a bit of time of my life in monasteries of both traditions and I definitely resonate with Tibetan Buddhism a lot more. It is colorful, shamanic, spirited, and frankly they just seem to get it. I am not saying this is an inherent truth just my preference. Sorry my zen friends.


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Re: A Zen Master takes Psilocybin for research... [Re: BeLove111] * 1
    #23912310 - 12/10/16 07:08 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Funny thing is a Master does not need these substances. Just saying, the power and ability to do all that without them is within you. They merely heighten the "tuning fork" that you are. That's why it is ill advise to promote the use of them in large amounts honestly. There are people in the world who do not have the will power, wisdom, and faith to overcome these frightening images.

What did Jesus say? "The Kingdom of God is WITHIN you." "When you make the two into one, and when you make the inner as the outer, and the upper as the lower, and when you make male and female into a single one, so that the male shall not be male, and the female shall not be female: . . . then you will enter."

There is more than just becoming "one with the universe." You must become one first. Body, Mind, Spirit. Many rely on the Body and Mind in this day and age. Many do not embrace the Spirit or think it some infinite thing they cannot comprehend. Open the Mind. Surrender. Then you are just Body+Spirit. Let those two become one and you are halfway there. The rest is up to Faith.

Do not see the cup as half full or half empty. See it as ALWAYS and FOREVER FULL. God is in everything.

It took a Zen Master to do this. Your average Joe won't be able to and many people out there are mesmerized by the idea of a "heroic dose" and seeing all these spectacular things. For this Master, his ego immediately went to violent, grotesque images in an attempt to subdue him. Being the Master he is he knew how to deal with it. Many do not, and many claim they have but don't realize they are prisoners.

One who has already conquered his ego does not need them. Surrender is the KEY to victory. You may enter these realms without them, quite easily as it were if you have trained your mind and Spirit.


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Re: A Zen Master takes Psilocybin for research... [Re: LRG]
    #23912962 - 12/10/16 12:19 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Daily Zazen practitioners are generally pretty darn good at sitting with whatever is surrounding them, and appearing in the mind without any real problems.  Considering they call this man a master and of the Zen tradition I would assume he has put in his 10,000+ hours just counting only zendo time.

Lovely how if you take the popular story of Gotama's session under the Bodhi tree and compare it to this video they parallel closely (give or take).


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Re: A Zen Master takes Psilocybin for research... [Re: Asante] * 1
    #23939583 - 12/19/16 01:06 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Was the guy a master? Im not taking anyones word for such a lofty distinction

That being said, psychedelics can give insight but they pale in comparison to sober meditative experiences, too many people overlook the deeper side of meditation and get caught up in the basics.

I dont advocate total sobriety, but psychedelics come with too much baggage to compare with the lucidity one can achieve without them.
Actually I advocate dabbling in psychedelics for the different angle they provide.


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Re: A Zen Master takes Psilocybin for research... [Re: Repertoire89] * 1
    #23940241 - 12/19/16 12:37 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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That being said, psychedelics can give insight but they pale in comparison to sober meditative experiences, too many people overlook the deeper side of meditation and get caught up in the basics.




so true. I can't stress this enough. its a pain to start but after you build the habit...one of the best things i have done for myself hands down


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Re: A Zen Master takes Psilocybin for research... [Re: topdog82]
    #23961885 - 12/28/16 04:08 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Other than the remembrance of the basic mantra, the experience of the "master" seems pretty normal. Contrast this with the folk story of the guru of Ram Dass (several capsules of LSD, no effect). Hell, even the 'striving for 3 decades in the practice of Zen' may have made him even more 'stuck' than the average person. :strokebeard:


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Re: A Zen Master takes Psilocybin for research... [Re: WScott]
    #23961891 - 12/28/16 04:14 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

There's no reason to take Ram Dass seriously either, all he has done is repeat the words of others and stamp his name on them

That story about his guru is just words (a lie)


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Re: A Zen Master takes Psilocybin for research... [Re: Repertoire89]
    #23961946 - 12/28/16 05:35 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Leary's partner, Richard Alpert (now known as Ram Dass), reached India in 1967, "hoping to find someone who might understand more about these substances than we did in the West." When he met his guru, Neem Karoli Baba, Ram Dass gave him a hefty dose of nine hundred micrograms. "My reaction was one of shock mixed with the fascination of a social scientist, eager to see what would happen," Ram Dass wrote.

"He allowed me to stay for an hour, and nothing happened. Nothing whatsoever He just laughed at me."

Another time the old man swallowed a mind boggling twelve hundred micrograms. "And then he asked, 'Have you got anything stronger?' I didn't. Then he said, 'These medicines were used in Kulu Valley long ago. But yogis have lost that knowledge. They were used with fasting. Nobody knows how to take them now To take them with no effect, your mind must be firmly fixed on God. Others would be afraid to take. Many saints would not take this 'And he left it at that " (From Miracle of Love, Stories about Neem Keroli Baba, by Ram Dass.)




https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/16099842#16099842

The part that interests me is the "These medicines were used in Kulu Valley long ago. But yogis have lost that knowledge." Do you think it is only in modern times that a substance like LSD has been utilized? Reminds me of the ancient middle-eastern batteries.


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Re: A Zen Master takes Psilocybin for research... [Re: WScott]
    #23961960 - 12/28/16 05:54 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Shrooms are older than humans, so theres always that, I dont think we had biochems though

Ever read Fruit of the Gods? Interesting book


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Re: A Zen Master takes Psilocybin for research... [Re: Repertoire89]
    #23962575 - 12/28/16 11:50 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

you don't have to be a zen master to change what some may call a bummer, frightening faces, voices etc. ALL you need to do is participate. This means you make your own sounds, even the minimal it doesn't matter, and it changes the feeling tone

May people seem to think tripping is all about being receptive, and NOT participating

And I personally don't recommend so-called 'heroic doses' either. And I do not divide spirituality from so-called recreational

I think a dualistic mindset will assume that some 'ordinary' experience isn't 'spiritual'. I do not interpret things like that.

And example, say you dropped some shrooms and are 'being recreational' and have gone out to a club. But you begin freaking out and feeling isolated, and everyone begins to look ugly. Why is THIS experience not spiritual?


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Re: A Zen Master takes Psilocybin for research... [Re: zzripz]
    #23962601 - 12/28/16 11:58 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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you don't have to be a zen master to change what some may call a bummer, frightening faces, voices etc. ALL you need to do is participate. This means you make your own sounds, even the minimal it doesn't matter, and it changes the feeling tone

May people seem to think tripping is all about being receptive, and NOT participating

And I personally don't recommend so-called 'heroic doses' either. And I do not divide spirituality from so-called recreational

I think a dualistic mindset will assume that some 'ordinary' experience isn't 'spiritual'. I do not interpret things like that.

And example, say you dropped some shrooms and are 'being recreational' and have gone out to a club. But you begin freaking out and feeling isolated, and everyone begins to look ugly. Why is THIS experience not spiritual?




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Re: A Zen Master takes Psilocybin for research... [Re: Asante]
    #23967003 - 12/29/16 10:53 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

almost always when it comes to psilocybin


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