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A good book
    #23908444 - 12/08/16 09:04 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Honest question, do you guys believe a good book is just as capable of a tool for changing a persons a perspective psychedelics are?

Personally, the psychedelics where what catalyzed my change in thinking, but it was the literature that really refined that thinking and gave it direction.
But I'd like to think the books themselves can be enough to "reprogram" ones "cultural operating system" without the aid of psychedelics.

I'm curious what you all have to say about this.


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Re: A good book [Re: SARAtonin]
    #23908449 - 12/08/16 09:04 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Of course


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Re: A good book [Re: azur] * 2
    #23908455 - 12/08/16 09:06 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Nothing is quite like a psychedelic.


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Re: A good book [Re: azur]
    #23908459 - 12/08/16 09:08 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I've read over 10 books in the past 50 days.  They definitely can change your perspective on things. James Patterson has some good stuff.


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Re: A good book [Re: SARAtonin]
    #23908469 - 12/08/16 09:14 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Ask Mark David Chapman what he thinks


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Re: A good book [Re: SARAtonin]
    #23908492 - 12/08/16 09:21 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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I've read over 10 books in the past 50 days.  They definitely can change your perspective on things. James Patterson has some good stuff.




I do about a book a week or two depending on how crazy my schedule is. I will likely be around one over the holiday season.
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SARAtonin said:
Honest question, do you guys believe a good book is just as capable of a tool for changing a persons a perspective psychedelics are?

Personally, the psychedelics where what catalyzed my change in thinking, but it was the literature that really refined that thinking and gave it direction.
But I'd like to think the books themselves can be enough to "reprogram" ones "cultural operating system" without the aid of psychedelics.

I'm curious what you all have to say about this.




I began with books prior to indulging in the world of psychedelics. Essentially, I want to tap into other realms of consciousness. I want to challenge my limitations, fears, ambitions, and desires among other things.

I read DMT the Spirit Molecule and The Tibetan book of the Dead. Darkness Wild Shining. I read "Goal" by Brain Tracy. He suggests at the very minimum, read a book a week. Set some goals. Follow through. Repeat.

Its tricky. I am fascinated with time and the older I get, the more time passes. It is a crazy thing to witness and experience. Under the influence of mushrooms for instance, my grasp on time is practically nonexistent. One sec, I am on a trip, time is not moving, and then, suddenly its 4-5hrs later, and I am back. Its unreal.

If you want to explore your consciousness, do as Bruce Lee says, "expose yourself to various conditions and learn."


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Re: A good book [Re: SARAtonin]
    #23908497 - 12/08/16 09:22 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: A good book [Re: SARAtonin] * 1
    #23908536 - 12/08/16 09:36 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

No, words fall short of experience.


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Re: A good book [Re: Repertoire89] * 1
    #23908545 - 12/08/16 09:39 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I read Sophie's Choice last year. Parts of it still haunt me from time to time.

Books, and further any form of art touches our basic humanity. We are influenced by everything we experience.


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Re: A good book [Re: Ahab McBathsalts]
    #23908568 - 12/08/16 09:50 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I've grown up very misguided which had lead me to be well not too well off. I have my moments but the years of negative self talk has clouded my judgement deeply. Can any of you help reccomnd a good character builijd/philosophy.

I my self have held  a very observational  view, being an introvert and what has greatly impact that is hanging out with friends  that have some deep rooted problems(homeless and complaining about it, and incmy head I could see everything possible to fix his situation but he has told me he doesn't need lectured just after complaining about it all.haha) I would sit and observe.  I have had moments of some what out togethor  but some how lost my way. There are moments it is there but can be shadowed for a great deal a time because I forget my deep insights in the present moment and wallow on my mistakes that could have done a lot which breaks me up.


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Re: A good book [Re: Putin]
    #23908597 - 12/08/16 10:03 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

^
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Dance_to_the_Music_of_Time

that'll surely keep you busy.

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SARAtonin said:
Honest question, do you guys believe a good book is just as capable of a tool for changing a persons a perspective psychedelics are?

I'm curious what you all have to say about this.



yep. they can. some books are not just entertaining but insightful.
not even just philosophical or spiritual books.

but if it's a novel or something, it's usually more subtle than can be gleaned readily; you have to have some level of insight yourself, of course.


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Re: A good book [Re: SARAtonin]
    #23908616 - 12/08/16 10:11 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Fuck yeah it can OP. Have you read The Notebook? It was like a life changing hippy flip.


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Re: A good book [Re: SARAtonin]
    #23908649 - 12/08/16 10:21 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

There is absolutely nothing more powerful than an idea.


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Re: A good book [Re: PartoftheSource] * 1
    #23908657 - 12/08/16 10:24 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

An idea without action isn't worth shit.


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Re: A good book [Re: azur]
    #23908666 - 12/08/16 10:27 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

There is no action without the idea first in place.
Idea's without action are like seeds that haven't sprouted yet.
The important Art is I've done my part. Sewed these seeds, yo.


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Re: A good book [Re: PartoftheSource] * 1
    #23908670 - 12/08/16 10:29 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Unplanted seeds produce no fruit


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Re: A good book [Re: azur]
    #23908677 - 12/08/16 10:31 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

The idea I've sewed is already planted deep into your subconscious. The fruit it yields will never be any sweeter.


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Re: A good book [Re: PartoftheSource]
    #23908702 - 12/08/16 10:37 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Depends what you want to know, the nature of reality predates written word, if youre looking to understand life you wont know shit until youve experienced it. Read the Gita, the Tao and all that, but without experience it means nothing.

Psychedelics are a small dose of reality, not up to par with a conscious OBE brought on intentionally, but words dont even begin, they give you absolutely nothing in that direction without experience.

So it depends what youre looking to learn, are we talking about accounting, architecture, meaningless platitudes and undriven speculation?


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    #23908714 - 12/08/16 10:40 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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There is absolutely nothing more powerful than an idea.




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Re: A good book [Re: SARAtonin]
    #23908810 - 12/08/16 11:16 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I would like to think my words can enlighten, but what I'm finding is that people need to have psychedelic experiences in the proper set and setting in order to truly comprehend the nature of reality. This doesn't necessarily involve the use of drugs, but for people who do drugs, heroic doses are definitely the way. 5 grams of mushrooms in silent darkness, said Terence, is where the rubber hits the road. Personally, I became enlightened through smoking full bowls of 60x salvia and Q's at a time of weed.


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Re: A good book [Re: Repertoire89]
    #23908833 - 12/08/16 11:26 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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No, words fall short of experience.




exactly. u can kinda imagine it say from reading a well written trip report, but to experience is a whole nother level.


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Re: A good book [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 1
    #23908897 - 12/09/16 12:04 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

i can't experience space flight and alternate alien species, and supernatural occurrences, yet, you can learn something from these things.

also, you can't experience, say, history...nor can one experience all of the information needed to make a coherent attempt at reconciling it into a narrative that can explained...same goes with the learning of any branch of knowledge.

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Re: A good book [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #23908900 - 12/09/16 12:06 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Depends on what part of the brain you use when you read... Like, there are so many parts to the brain, and other stuff...


But yeah, mapping of the mind through certain words can unleash other parts of the brain which seem to depict stories throughout a new dreamworld state which might be the whole part to manifesting a story and learning a new chapter of your life!!

Like, books are important...


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    #23909225 - 12/09/16 06:09 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

it depends on what you read.


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Re: A good book [Re: millzy] * 1
    #23909303 - 12/09/16 07:05 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Yep. I think it's the amount of time you have to spend with a book to finish it that makes it so impactful (more hours than any psychedlic trip). also the act of reading is more engaging than say simply watching a movie or listening to a lecture. and novels are the cream of the crop-- the lessons you pick up in fiction have more life altering potential than anything preached to you in nonfiction. Stories are so powerful.


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