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Re: Virtual reality is the new LSD: Microsoft predicts VR could offer hallucinogenic experiences [Re: musiclover420]
#23912829 - 12/10/16 11:32 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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MinnesnowtaNice said: I refuse to believe you could mimic any psychedelic with virtual reality.
But tell us more how we don't understand our minds.
You realize psychedelics are just catalysts that cause specific effects in the brain right? These effects can be induced without drugs as well through meditation and "vision quests" which people have been doing for thousands of years.
What is so hard to grasp about a similiar electrically induced experience?...
Also keep in mind there are many hallucinogens and their effects vary greatly.
So a psychedelic VR experience might not be identical to traditional experiences but it could still create a unique similar experience.
This is no different than the stupid "bi-neural sensory" tracks that cost hundreds of dollars that "totally work" that you can find on youtube.
Spoiler alert: THEY DON'T work (as advertised)
-------------------- I'm addicted to coke, weed, booze, ludes and speed. Not LSD, you can't get addicted to LSD, it was built by scientists. I ain't got no demons that gonna get woke. In erowid we trust. Just take your damn pills and don't ask any questions, you'll be fine.
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Re: Virtual reality is the new LSD: Microsoft predicts VR could offer hallucinogenic experiences [Re: LuSiD enthusiast]
#23913503 - 12/10/16 03:34 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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LuSiD enthusiast said: This is no different than the stupid "bi-neural sensory" tracks that cost hundreds of dollars that "totally work" that you can find on youtube.
Spoiler alert: THEY DON'T work (as advertised)

If you think VR is the same as those audio tracks that are supposed to get you high you are on crack 
Especially multi sensory VR which is what this article is about...
-------------------- Don't worry about me, I've got all that I need. And I'm singing my song to the sky You know how it feels, With the breeze of the sun in your eyes. Not minding that time's passing by I've got all and more, My smile, just as before. Is all that I carry with me I talk to myself, I need nobody else. I'm lost and I'm mine, yes I'm free
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Re: Virtual reality is the new LSD: Microsoft predicts VR could offer hallucinogenic experiences [Re: Tripsahoy420]
#23913591 - 12/10/16 03:59 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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VR will be a huge downfall for mankind.
nerds are going to live in a virtual world . they will find it easier to manipulate and alter that reality rather than real life. soon people will be hooked up to feeding tube with a shit tube in the other end. it wont be long before they are plugged into it 24/7.
it will dramatically cut down on people pumping out litters of kids though. hopefully. im sure God is going to send Jesus down here before that happens though.
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Re: Virtual reality is the new LSD: Microsoft predicts VR could offer hallucinogenic experiences [Re: sprinkles]
#23913602 - 12/10/16 04:02 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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sprinkles said: VR will be a huge downfall for mankind.
nerds are going to live in a virtual world . they will find it to be easier to manipulate and alter that reality rather than real life. soon people will be hooked up to feeding tube with a shit tube in the other end. it wont be long before they are plugged into it 24/7.
it will dramatically cut down on people pumping out litters of kids though. hopefully. im sure God is going to send Jesus down here before that happens though.
How will people afford the expensive/ fancy modern VR equipment and life support to stay alive in VR 24/7?
Seems like only the most successful people will be able to afford it at first. Eventually once it becomes common/ cheaper I could see VR prisons being a thing.
There are an infinite amount of useful applications for VR though just like with the internet. Sure some people will abuse it but that is true of everything
-------------------- Don't worry about me, I've got all that I need. And I'm singing my song to the sky You know how it feels, With the breeze of the sun in your eyes. Not minding that time's passing by I've got all and more, My smile, just as before. Is all that I carry with me I talk to myself, I need nobody else. I'm lost and I'm mine, yes I'm free
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Re: Virtual reality is the new LSD: Microsoft predicts VR could offer hallucinogenic experiences [Re: musiclover420]
#23913637 - 12/10/16 04:08 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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I dont care really. more and more people that stay inside their homes the better.
i see men who lack the ability to get laid living more inside a virtual world of porn. porn is already an epidemic and it will just get worse and worse. its all good though. the less people i have to come into contact with and be exposed to, the better.
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Re: Virtual reality is the new LSD: Microsoft predicts VR could offer hallucinogenic experiences [Re: musiclover420]
#23913928 - 12/10/16 05:13 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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LuSiD enthusiast said: This is no different than the stupid "bi-neural sensory" tracks that cost hundreds of dollars that "totally work" that you can find on youtube.
Spoiler alert: THEY DON'T work (as advertised)

If you think VR is the same as those audio tracks that are supposed to get you high you are on crack 
Especially multi sensory VR which is what this article is about...
It's the exaxt same concept as VR,just flash images and sounds to push buttons in your brain.
If you think this is possible then why haven't we seen articles about "4k being the new lsd"? Because 4k isn't as cool, it's old, out of reach for most people which means people click less when they see it.
-------------------- I'm addicted to coke, weed, booze, ludes and speed. Not LSD, you can't get addicted to LSD, it was built by scientists. I ain't got no demons that gonna get woke. In erowid we trust. Just take your damn pills and don't ask any questions, you'll be fine.
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Re: Virtual reality is the new LSD: Microsoft predicts VR could offer hallucinogenic experiences [Re: LuSiD enthusiast]
#23913990 - 12/10/16 05:30 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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You still seem to not have not grasped that this article is about MULTI SENSORY VR... Who knows how far it will go as the technology develops...
It will most likely start with touch/ physical sensation but eventually who knows what it will be capable of. We could create fully immersive worlds where anything is possible. VR isn't just about "flashing images and sounds" it is about literally creating a virtual reality. If you can't grasp the many amazing possibilities there you are being close minded and will most likely miss out in the long run.
Assuming we even live to see this technology fully come into fruition.
-------------------- Don't worry about me, I've got all that I need. And I'm singing my song to the sky You know how it feels, With the breeze of the sun in your eyes. Not minding that time's passing by I've got all and more, My smile, just as before. Is all that I carry with me I talk to myself, I need nobody else. I'm lost and I'm mine, yes I'm free
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Re: Virtual reality is the new LSD: Microsoft predicts VR could offer hallucinogenic experiences [Re: sprinkles]
#23914866 - 12/10/16 11:06 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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sprinkles said: I dont care really. more and more people that stay inside their homes the better.
i see men who lack the ability to get laid living more inside a virtual world of porn. porn is already an epidemic and it will just get worse and worse. its all good though. the less people i have to come into contact with and be exposed to, the better.
The irony and truth with in that statement is to much
-------------------- I'm addicted to coke, weed, booze, ludes and speed. Not LSD, you can't get addicted to LSD, it was built by scientists. I ain't got no demons that gonna get woke. In erowid we trust. Just take your damn pills and don't ask any questions, you'll be fine.
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Re: Virtual reality is the new LSD: Microsoft predicts VR could offer hallucinogenic experiences [Re: musiclover420]
#23914873 - 12/10/16 11:09 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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musiclover420 said:
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sprinkles said: VR will be a huge downfall for mankind.
nerds are going to live in a virtual world . they will find it to be easier to manipulate and alter that reality rather than real life. soon people will be hooked up to feeding tube with a shit tube in the other end. it wont be long before they are plugged into it 24/7.
it will dramatically cut down on people pumping out litters of kids though. hopefully. im sure God is going to send Jesus down here before that happens though.
How will people afford the expensive/ fancy modern VR equipment and life support to stay alive in VR 24/7?
Seems like only the most successful people will be able to afford it at first. Eventually once it becomes common/ cheaper I could see VR prisons being a thing.
There are an infinite amount of useful applications for VR though just like with the internet. Sure some people will abuse it but that is true of everything 
Now There's an idea. Vr prisons. Makes me wonder what fucked up interrogation tactics the givernment may be planning with all this.
-------------------- I'm addicted to coke, weed, booze, ludes and speed. Not LSD, you can't get addicted to LSD, it was built by scientists. I ain't got no demons that gonna get woke. In erowid we trust. Just take your damn pills and don't ask any questions, you'll be fine.
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Re: Virtual reality is the new LSD: Microsoft predicts VR could offer hallucinogenic experiences [Re: MinnesnowtaNice]
#23914948 - 12/10/16 11:36 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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MinnesnowtaNice said: I refuse to believe you could mimic any psychedelic with virtual reality.
But tell us more how we don't understand our minds.
Not trying to argue for the sake of it but are you being serious? Because I don't think anyone actually understands the human mind fully.
At any rate it seems like a neat idea for people that want to experience something different but are nervous about drugs or chemical means of altered perception. The fact is technology is much more comfortable and easier to accept to most people.
Personally I have always enjoyed nature on traditional psychedelics but I have had loads of fun watching good movies or playing video games or even just reading news stories while on dissociatives like mxe and ketamine. Loads of fun if you ask me and VR just seems like it would go great with dissociation.
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Re: Virtual reality is the new LSD: Microsoft predicts VR could offer hallucinogenic experiences [Re: LuSiD enthusiast]
#23914960 - 12/10/16 11:41 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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LuSiD enthusiast said:
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musiclover420 said:
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sprinkles said: VR will be a huge downfall for mankind.
nerds are going to live in a virtual world . they will find it to be easier to manipulate and alter that reality rather than real life. soon people will be hooked up to feeding tube with a shit tube in the other end. it wont be long before they are plugged into it 24/7.
it will dramatically cut down on people pumping out litters of kids though. hopefully. im sure God is going to send Jesus down here before that happens though.
How will people afford the expensive/ fancy modern VR equipment and life support to stay alive in VR 24/7?
Seems like only the most successful people will be able to afford it at first. Eventually once it becomes common/ cheaper I could see VR prisons being a thing.
There are an infinite amount of useful applications for VR though just like with the internet. Sure some people will abuse it but that is true of everything 
Now There's an idea. Vr prisons. Makes me wonder what fucked up interrogation tactics the givernment may be planning with all this.
They have an episode of the (newer version) Outer Limits about that. I wont spoil it but the idea is intriguing...
Also who is to say we are not already part of a simulation? It sounds crazy but there are serious scientists that acknowledge this as a possibility.
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Re: Virtual reality is the new LSD: Microsoft predicts VR could offer hallucinogenic experiences [Re: niteman]
#23916203 - 12/11/16 12:39 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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As McKenna once stated: "the only difference between drugs and computers is one to big to swallow."
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Re: Virtual reality is the new LSD: Microsoft predicts VR could offer hallucinogenic experiences [Re: Tmethyl]
#23916270 - 12/11/16 01:08 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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For my it's been very hard to accomplish what I could get from Psilcybin or especially DMT with meditation.
And vise versa. I don't think they are the same thing at all and I do both quite a bit.
Astral projection and lucid dreaming are even way far off from psychedelic drug states and meditation in my experience.
I think that maybe they all get you to the same type of consciousness or hyper aware consciousness But are completely different in my experience.
I'm not saying I'm right and in a few years if these VR headsets can get me to the same place as DMT or mushrooms or even meditation will without having to sit in silence and tap into the inner spirit Then by all means your welcome to rub my face in it.
Until then this is all speculation.
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Re: Virtual reality is the new LSD: Microsoft predicts VR could offer hallucinogenic experiences [Re: MinnesnowtaNice]
#23916314 - 12/11/16 01:22 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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But I would like to apologize for coming off like a condescending asshat
That wasn't my intention, I was kinda in a bad mood on Friday.
Absolutely could understand how it could mimic it and in some ways maybe even work better than traditional methods of expanding consciousness, I just don't see how it could be spot on to an LSD trip.
I will admit I don't know very much about neorobiology and am interested in this,
My apologies MusicLover.
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Re: Virtual reality is the new LSD: Microsoft predicts VR could offer hallucinogenic experiences [Re: musiclover420]
#23916519 - 12/11/16 02:32 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Your saying VR won't be the next LSD? Keep in mind 100 years ago if you had tried to explain LSD to anyone they would have put you in a nut house.
They had a concept of pink elephants.
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Who knows where VR will be in 10 years, it very possibly could expand into other sensations by then and allow for very immersive/ intense experiences.
I think we're describing this, in terms of ordinary brainwaves, and not hypnotic stimuli.
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Re: Virtual reality is the new LSD: Microsoft predicts VR could offer hallucinogenic experiences [Re: MinnesnowtaNice]
#23916762 - 12/11/16 03:59 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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niteman said: They have an episode of the (newer version) Outer Limits about that. I wont spoil it but the idea is intriguing...
Also who is to say we are not already part of a simulation? It sounds crazy but there are serious scientists that acknowledge this as a possibility.
I honestly believe it is very possible we are already in a simulation, check out this video:
Civilizations at the End of Time: Black Hole Farming
I believe that is the video I am thinking of, the guy explains it so well it makes complete sense and seems entirely possible to me.
It may be a bit hard to digest as it is very technical and theoretical but what made me think of it is one of the topics is an advanced civilization living near the end of the universe would be better off living inside a complex matrix of simulations. So even if we aren't in a simulation it is very possible we will be one day assuming we make it that far 
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MinnesnowtaNice said: But I would like to apologize for coming off like a condescending asshat
That wasn't my intention, I was kinda in a bad mood on Friday.
Absolutely could understand how it could mimic it and in some ways maybe even work better than traditional methods of expanding consciousness, I just don't see how it could be spot on to an LSD trip.
I will admit I don't know very much about neorobiology and am interested in this,
My apologies MusicLover.
No problem man, I just have high hopes for this technology and the near infinite possibilities it will create so I hate to see it written off.
Once again this article isn't saying VR will be the same as LSD it is saying it is the NEW LSD in the mental possibilities it opens.
Hell VR could surpass psychedelics in some ways as everything will be entirely programmable so in theory you could create your own experiences/ sensations.
Also as has been said VR and drugs will no doubt go hand in hand. Imagine creating your own world where anything is possible to then take drugs in
You could go snowboarding down mount Everest or go jump around on the moon in your underwear or go deep sea diving. Pretty much anything will be possible.
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Re: Virtual reality is the new LSD: Microsoft predicts VR could offer hallucinogenic experiences [Re: musiclover420]
#23916900 - 12/11/16 04:33 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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This was in a Batman movie and one about the book of Revelation.
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Re: Virtual reality is the new LSD: Microsoft predicts VR could offer hallucinogenic experiences [Re: musiclover420]
#24255704 - 04/18/17 10:34 PM (6 years, 9 months ago) |
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any companies selling VR's right now?
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Re: Virtual reality is the new LSD: Microsoft predicts VR could offer hallucinogenic experiences [Re: xthrx]
#24256230 - 04/19/17 05:38 AM (6 years, 9 months ago) |
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xthrx said: VR will never be LSD. It will never affect your mind the way LSD will.
I agree.
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Re: Virtual reality is the new LSD: Microsoft predicts VR could offer hallucinogenic experiences [Re: Niffla]
#24256784 - 04/19/17 10:02 AM (6 years, 9 months ago) |
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xthrx said: VR will never be LSD. It will never affect your mind the way LSD will.
I agree.
I think VR could surpass psychedelics in some ways. If we figure out how to better control our brains via electronics anything is possible.
One day it might be possible to cause near identical effects in the brain via drugs or electrical signals designed to mimic the effects of drugs.
VR could combine elements of sensory deprivation with precise controllable brain stimuli for an entirely new level of immersive experiences.
Of course taking drugs and using VR may always be the best of both worlds depending on how quickly we learn how to control our brains electronically.
-------------------- Don't worry about me, I've got all that I need. And I'm singing my song to the sky You know how it feels, With the breeze of the sun in your eyes. Not minding that time's passing by I've got all and more, My smile, just as before. Is all that I carry with me I talk to myself, I need nobody else. I'm lost and I'm mine, yes I'm free
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