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Invisiblesudly
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Re: Desire is not the [sole] root of suffering [Re: finalexplosion]
    #23933532 - 12/16/16 07:59 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I would say discontentment arises from unrealistic expectations.
With the consumer society we live in I guess some people are always convinced there is something or someone better for them so they take what they have for granted, lack appreciation for it and stop communicating well which leads to resentment and eventually divorce.


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Re: Desire is not the [sole] root of suffering [Re: sudly]
    #23933724 - 12/16/16 09:13 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

well said sudly


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Re: Desire is not the [sole] root of suffering [Re: demiu5]
    #23937096 - 12/18/16 01:53 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

confusion leads to understanding.

confusion it the sole root of suffering.


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Re: Desire is not the [sole] root of suffering [Re: akira_akuma]
    #23937136 - 12/18/16 02:44 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Desire is not the root of suffering. Life without desire, at least at a biological level is impossible.

The root of all suffering is the belief in the illusion that one is a separate entity, and primary effect of that belief is identifying pure undifferentiated mind with a particular body.  The secondary effect is that the mind encapsulated by the body desires things for itself and the tertiary effect is suffering as some of those desires must go unfulfilled.

Our fundamental experience is that the body appears within our perception, and as the Zen master Huang Po stated centuries ago, "That which can be perceived cannot be perceiving."  Yes, there are individual portals of Mind for without this Supreme Being, which is your fundamental identity, cannot know itself through reflection.

So yes, desire as an illusory fragmentation of pure mind results in suffering, but it is not the root.


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Re: Desire is not the [sole] root of suffering [Re: fungusfun]
    #23937162 - 12/18/16 03:22 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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this Supreme Being, which is your fundamental identity, cannot know itself through reflection.




Quoted for well-worded truth.

It is a strange identity to have - one that is always true and existed before language taught us how to think, so not subject to our notions of understanding.

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Desire I think, if it is burning, if it feels healthy and powerful, can't be a bad thing. I have spent much time suppressing desires only to find it makes me less likely to appreciate life, so less enlightened in that sense.

One must self-mortificate, however, at least somehow, to bring the whole mind under control. You will lose a little humanness in trying to become one with the Divinity, but the pureness of the experience of divine love will compensate for your loss of humanness.

You have to make room for God, by dying to self, self is defined by what you do and what you do is defined by desires.

I don't know. Desire is a cause of suffering, non-desire is also sufferable.


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Re: Desire is not the [sole] root of suffering [Re: sudly]
    #23937323 - 12/18/16 07:32 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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sudly said:
I would say discontentment arises from unrealistic expectations.
With the consumer society we live in I guess some people are always convinced there is something or someone better for them so they take what they have for granted, lack appreciation for it and stop communicating well which leads to resentment and eventually divorce.




the cycle you describe is endemic to falling out of love -
the relationship becomes a chore, the "other" becomes a bore, the "self" becomes a closed door!

The anatomy of "boring" love relationships has to do with thinking that the "other" should bring you the joy, or that there is better pleasure with a different "other".

However, when you put more effort on the improving of the "self", who ever is the other that is involved with the "self" will keep falling in love again.

excellence is seductive, and love is a side effect of being good friends with an excellent lover.


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Re: Desire is not the [sole] root of suffering [Re: redgreenvines]
    #23937417 - 12/18/16 08:36 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Should our flesh fail, may our souls find peace in their eternal cycle.


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Re: Desire is not the [sole] root of suffering [Re: redgreenvines]
    #23937429 - 12/18/16 08:48 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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redgreenvines said:
Quote:

sudly said:
I would say discontentment arises from unrealistic expectations.
With the consumer society we live in I guess some people are always convinced there is something or someone better for them so they take what they have for granted, lack appreciation for it and stop communicating well which leads to resentment and eventually divorce.




the cycle you describe is endemic to falling out of love -
the relationship becomes a chore, the "other" becomes a bore, the "self" becomes a closed door!

The anatomy of "boring" love relationships has to do with thinking that the "other" should bring you the joy, or that there is better pleasure with a different "other".

However, when you put more effort on the improving of the "self", who ever is the other that is involved with the "self" will keep falling in love again.

excellence is seductive, and love is a side effect of being good friends with an excellent lover.


What's strange to me is that people take their partners for granted or, in more positive cases, don't question why they've ended up with this other being, as if it weren't strange and random cosmic forces that caused them to be together.

From an outside perspective it all seems so damn random.


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to the most daring erotic desires,
to the lustful impulses of my blood, without
any fear at all, for whenever I will—
and I will have the will, strengthened
as I’ll be with contemplation and study—
at the crucial moments I’ll recover
my spirit as was before: ascetic.”


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Re: Desire is not the [sole] root of suffering [Re: demiu5]
    #23938183 - 12/18/16 02:07 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

those gaps are not related to being excellent, and being excellent is not a formula that all people want - many think it is a waste of time.

to be excellent you have to please yourself, but it is not hedonistic, it is refined or transcendent. always being better than you were.

If you really want to make things better all the time, everything else just falls in place as a side effect.


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Re: Desire is not the [sole] root of suffering [Re: demiu5] * 1
    #23938350 - 12/18/16 03:04 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I am trying to divert towards simplicity.
rather than working for love, I am saying work to be excellent.
not by anyone else's measure, just by your own improving standard for your self.
that is the journey.
in the wake of that, what happens is all lovely side effects, or not.
relationships may be part of it.
you can only fix the part that is in your self.


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Re: Desire is not the [sole] root of suffering [Re: yeah] * 1
    #23939653 - 12/19/16 02:26 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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yeah said:
I divide desire into two categories. Pure and unpure.

You know a desire is pure if it never goes away. Then, you have to exert your will to manifest it, or else suffer.





How is a desire pure if it never goes away?  What about some sicko that desires to murder someone, and they can't shake the feeling until their blood lust is satiated?  That doesn't seem very pure if you ask me.

I think we can desire to do good in the world, and that should be pursued because it will lead us to growth, but what you said doesn't make much sense to me.


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Re: Desire is not the [sole] root of suffering [Re: Lucis]
    #23939674 - 12/19/16 02:56 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Maybe desires are instinctive to each individual :shrug:


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Re: Desire is not the [sole] root of suffering [Re: sudly]
    #23957932 - 12/26/16 09:29 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Life is suffering. You can't have the good without the bad. There is a balance you see.


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Re: Desire is not the [sole] root of suffering [Re: Zig-Zag]
    #23958013 - 12/26/16 10:25 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

life is not suffering, without it also being not-suffering. therefore, life IS NOT suffering.



one could say, life is perception.  within that perception is and is not suffering


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Re: Desire is not the [sole] root of suffering [Re: sudly]
    #23958018 - 12/26/16 10:27 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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sudly said:
Maybe desires are instinctive to each individual :shrug:



why shuffle in the term instinctive here.
you have a word disease,
aggravated ignoro-phobic poly-verbosis
this is what happens when you string words together to say meaningless shit to cover that you don't know what you are talking about.


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Re: Desire is not the [sole] root of suffering [Re: redgreenvines]
    #23958815 - 12/26/16 05:11 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Because sexual desire is pretty natural :shrug:
It's kinda pushed evolution for the past 4 billion years too.

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Instinctive: relating to or prompted by instinct; done without conscious thought.
(of a person) doing or being a specified thing apparently naturally or automatically.




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Re: Desire is not the [sole] root of suffering [Re: fungusfun] * 1
    #23974789 - 01/02/17 01:24 AM (7 years, 29 days ago)

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fungusfun said:

Desire is not the root of suffering. Life without desire, at least at a biological level is impossible.




Desire isn't the root of suffering. Attachment (clinging) to desire causes suffering.


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Re: Desire is not the [sole] root of suffering [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
    #23974804 - 01/02/17 01:34 AM (7 years, 29 days ago)

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RJ Tubs 202 said:
Quote:

fungusfun said:

Desire is not the root of suffering. Life without desire, at least at a biological level is impossible.




Desire isn't the root of suffering. Attachment (clinging) to desire causes suffering.




So clinging to desire is the root cause of suffering.

And expectations can become pre-meditated resentments.


So draw back from fantasy, think critically and try to be rational.

Because as John Lennon said.


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Re: Desire is not the [sole] root of suffering [Re: sudly]
    #23974833 - 01/02/17 01:51 AM (7 years, 28 days ago)

I can only speak for myself. The world is another thing.

People say that desire is the root of suffering, and often miss the bigger point.


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Re: Desire is not the [sole] root of suffering [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
    #23974843 - 01/02/17 01:55 AM (7 years, 28 days ago)

Mathematics are universal.
And I guess I desire scientifically literate understandings.


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