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Re: Association Between Regular Cannabis Use and Ganglion Cell Dysfunction [Re: Apostle]
    #23910062 - 12/09/16 12:37 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I hate this thread.


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Re: Association Between Regular Cannabis Use and Ganglion Cell Dysfunction [Re: ballsalsa]
    #23910149 - 12/09/16 01:01 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: Association Between Regular Cannabis Use and Ganglion Cell Dysfunction [Re: badchad]
    #23910919 - 12/09/16 05:23 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Beyond that, the study sample size is much too small to meaningfully draw any conclusions.




Based on what?

The sample size is based on the magnitude of the effect.  A sample of 52 might be more than adequate, depending on what you're trying to measure.



I meant you can't generalize from a group of 52 people to the population of the united states, but you can with a couple thousand.


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Re: Association Between Regular Cannabis Use and Ganglion Cell Dysfunction [Re: nooneman]
    #23911400 - 12/09/16 08:13 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Beyond that, the study sample size is much too small to meaningfully draw any conclusions.




Based on what?

The sample size is based on the magnitude of the effect.  A sample of 52 might be more than adequate, depending on what you're trying to measure.



I meant you can't generalize from a group of 52 people to the population of the united states, but you can with a couple thousand.



Actually you're wrong, it just so happens its almost impossible to get a reliable sample at 52 people. Theres just too much bias with race, age, location, etc. I assure you there are less than 52 kinds of people in this world, there will always be a 1 in a million but most people are pretty much the same


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Re: Association Between Regular Cannabis Use and Ganglion Cell Dysfunction [Re: bloodsheen]
    #23914901 - 12/10/16 11:17 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I'm not against debate but it worries me when every time a scientific (and I do use the term rather liberally) article concerning ANY possible negatives of cannabis use is crapped all over. I love weed and have never experienced anything negative other than a little anxiety after cessation but I also am not a scientist or medical professional. I mean everything has negatives and it is a bit naive to put anything on a pedestal and declare it an infallible wonder drug. It is important to be able to accept criticisms or at least consider possibilities otherwise we are no better than the ignorant pro-drugwar/antidrug folks...imo


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Re: Association Between Regular Cannabis Use and Ganglion Cell Dysfunction [Re: niteman]
    #23914918 - 12/10/16 11:23 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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I'm not against debate but it worries me when every time a scientific (and I do use the term rather liberally) article concerning ANY possible negatives of cannabis use is crapped all over. I love weed and have never experienced anything negative other than a little anxiety after cessation but I also am not a scientist or medical professional. I mean everything has negatives and it is a bit naive to put anything on a pedestal and declare it an infallible wonder drug. It is important to be able to accept criticisms or at least consider possibilities otherwise we are no better than the ignorant pro-drugwar/antidrug folks...imo




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it doesn't sound like much of an impairment.

Maybe i'm not reading the article right, but it sounds like they are describing a median 8.4 millisecond delay in visual data transfer from the eye to the brain. which seems negligible.  here is an audio reference for milliseconds:



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The study suggests that while the images are seen for only 13 milliseconds before the next image appears, part of the brain continues to process those images for longer than that.
‘If images were wiped out after 13 milliseconds, people would never be able to respond positively after the sequence. There has to be something in the brain that has maintained that information at least that long,’ Professor Potter said.
She previously found that humans can correctly identify images seen for as little as 100 milliseconds, but her new research suggests we can do this almost eight times faster.
In the new study, the researchers gradually increased the speed of images until they reached a point where subjects’ answers were no better than if they were guessing.
The MIT team found that although overall performance declined, subjects continued to perform better than chance as the researchers gradually decreased the image exposure time from 80 milliseconds to 13 milliseconds, which was the fastest possible rate with the computer monitor being used.


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yeah, i think 8 milliseconds is probably no big deal.




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Re: Association Between Regular Cannabis Use and Ganglion Cell Dysfunction [Re: ballsalsa]
    #23914972 - 12/10/16 11:46 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Not sure if you meant to quote me but I dont take this particular study at face value I was just expressing a little frustration at what I see is a constant denial of any possible negative consequence of any particular persons favorite drug.


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Re: Association Between Regular Cannabis Use and Ganglion Cell Dysfunction [Re: niteman]
    #23914983 - 12/10/16 11:53 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I see.  I think you are probably on to something, but i still think that this particular study is making mountains out of molehills.


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Re: Association Between Regular Cannabis Use and Ganglion Cell Dysfunction [Re: niteman] * 1
    #23920233 - 12/12/16 04:35 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Not sure if you meant to quote me but I dont take this particular study at face value I was just expressing a little frustration at what I see is a constant denial of any possible negative consequence of any particular persons favorite drug.



I agree this is a problem in the shroomery news, but to be fair we've seen SOOOOO much total and utter bullshit its tough to not get jaded. You know how many people still think that dude that ate that guy's face was high on bath salts? I think bath salts are absolutely atrocious, but misinformation helps nobody


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Re: Association Between Regular Cannabis Use and Ganglion Cell Dysfunction [Re: bloodsheen]
    #23926468 - 12/14/16 03:16 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I agree bloodsheen its a double edged sword


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Re: Association Between Regular Cannabis Use and Ganglion Cell Dysfunction [Re: niteman]
    #23953944 - 12/24/16 11:01 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Very interesting article. I've had weed occasionally interfere with my vision for many years. It usually is a very quick flash of white, the only comparison I can give is the "interference" that blocks one's view when experiencing tunnel vision. Recently however, sometimes when I smoke, I get massive headaches, seeming to originate from my right eye. No clue if it's related to this article, but makes one think!! :crazy:


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Re: Association Between Regular Cannabis Use and Ganglion Cell Dysfunction [Re: Tripsahoy420]
    #23960203 - 12/27/16 10:46 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

:pimp3: There are probably more autistic people, here, than in the social support forum.

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Amplitude and implicit time of the N95 wave on results of pattern electroretinography.



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Explicit and implicit methods are approaches used in numerical analysis for obtaining numerical approximations




This is a research paper, in which the results are implied, not explicit.

They've created a line graph, in which time is an unknown quantity, in other words, without the X (or horizontal) axis.


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