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Microdosing wood lovers and other wild actives
    #23904885 - 12/07/16 07:47 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Hi,

    So it's been awhile since I consumed any high doses.  I have had pretty bad depression for the past year.  The last 3 weeks I started a microdose experiment.  Every 3-4 nights just before bed I have been eating half of a mushroom more or less.  Very scientific I know.  Any way I started with just a tiny amount of cyans and a nibble here and there of azures. 

    I noticed after the first night my daily negative mind thought loop had lost its edge.  Things seem to just flow and my daily routine just feels better.  My negative thoughts return sometimes, but now I can easily dismiss them.  I'm curious of local hunters or anyone else who has tried this.  I would post this in another forum; but I really would like feed back from the guys in the field, and from people who frequent MH&I.

    Please post any experience's positive or negative. If there are any hunters who have not tripped in awhile and are experiencing depression to please consider microdosing for a couple of weeks.  I've read that most people microdose in the A.M..  For whatever reason I feel taking them at night makes the most sense.  I've had small doses at work and the slight mindfuck that happens occasionally, can add to my stress.

I would post actual dose by weight but that might be against the rules.


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Re: Microdosing wood lovers and other wild actives [Re: Hunter hunter]
    #23905052 - 12/07/16 08:32 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

vIn 1962, a six-year-old girl in Oregon experienced a high fever and seizure after eating mushrooms which were later supposedly identified as Psilocybe cyanescens; she died three days after being hospitalized.[4] Similar cases in children (not resulting in death) have been reported in San Francisco.[4] Despite these incidents, the mushroom is not generally regarded as being physically dangerous to adults.[5] Since all the psychoactive compounds in P. cyanescens are water-soluble, the fruiting bodies can be rendered non-psychoactive through parboiling, allowing their culinary use. However, since most people find them overly bitter and they are too small to have great nutritive value, this is not frequently done.


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Re: Microdosing wood lovers and other wild actives [Re: g3tblunt] * 1
    #23905368 - 12/07/16 10:26 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I used to micro dose in college quite a bit. Before I even knew it was a thing. We would pop a few cyans and bike to the beach. Never really noticed a change in overall mood then but boy do I now. I prefer larger doses less frequently but I do think micro dosing works wonders. With wood lovers it's tough to tell how potent each mushroom is. I've gotten way higher than expected, luckily I was at home. I'll micro dose at concerts sometimes too. Fully tripping at a show is doable for me but a micro dose is much more manageable.


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Re: Microdosing wood lovers and other wild actives [Re: Hunter hunter]
    #23905615 - 12/08/16 12:33 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

was just looking at a cap thinking i could nibble this but its too late

then i see this thread

I've tried microdosing during the am
- some days it works great but some days it can go against what you wanted to achieve

I think doing it at night just as you say makes so much sense

how i micro is that i dont weigh.. (its different for everyone)
i nibble a quarter to a half cap of cyan and a bit of stem and im right there -
keepin moar nearby during the day just in case i need a bit of leveling ^

i do notice with ovoids i can micro all day long and feel good
cyans are a bit more potent and i have to dial them in correctly going slow

:mushroom2:  i will deff try this 'at night' microdose out and report back:thumbup:

Thanks for the insight Hunter Hunter

:peace:

edit - i just took a micro of cyan :biggrin: cee ya tomorrow 


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Re: Microdosing wood lovers and other wild actives [Re: Mushrello]
    #23905974 - 12/08/16 07:39 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I need to start a micro dose regiment bad. Ive been so Angry/Depressed shitty  attitude towards everything. I think night is best as well. Ive been nervous of the potency and work issues. Ive been thinking of this for some time. I just can't seem to motivate to start.


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Re: Microdosing wood lovers and other wild actives [Re: NothingsChanged]
    #23906259 - 12/08/16 10:18 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I've also been thinking about doing the same for the same reasons. I will report back when I do.


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Re: Microdosing wood lovers and other wild actives [Re: Ran-D]
    #23906412 - 12/08/16 11:03 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

GOOD Morning!! :awesomenod:

I feeel GREAT!!
fell right to sleep (no insomnia)
then must of got some deep sleep - woke up and wasn't fatigued
i feel good- my brain isn't hella foggy- feels more in tune and focused - introvertism gone (for a while)
im not angry or depressed I'm on the up:thumbup:


I did half a cap of cyan bout an hour before i hit the sack
i did feel it kicking in slightly

i think that's why we try it during the day - because we want to feel some effect

i think the good effects come after the dose (next day)
sure when im on a low dose i can function and be less introverted
but its the next day that the effects of the mushroom are really making a positive change in my mood

it lasts a few days and then there is a low point i feel and come to
i really dont want to take more mushroom to feel better
so i give it few weeks or month to clean out my system and then the cycle begins

I will see how i feel tonight maybe repeat dose or smaller??
ill report back

YO nothingschanged try a small amount right before bedtime an see how it works??
like i said its not when ur on them
i think the after effects is what lifts the mood.

Take care everyone

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Re: Microdosing wood lovers and other wild actives [Re: Mushrello]
    #23906595 - 12/08/16 11:52 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Cool thanks for trying it out.  I noticed the first week that I started dreaming again.  Very real vivid dreams which helped me work out and see things about my life.  I noticed that I'm waking up earlier and refreshed.  I was about to say I haven't been dreaming lately, but I just remembered some of my dream from last night. 

G3tblunt.  Glad to meet you.  Welcome to MH&I mushroom hunting and identification. 


@ RanD, nothingschanged, well everyone that wants to contribute. 
    I'm very interested in your input.  We should be the people pioneering this research.  It would be nice to have some scientifically minded people to do a nice write up of their experience. 

  I've been ready for a good trip but time and other weird mental blocks have kept me away.  Also for whatever reason it took me awhile to start microdosing.  I wasn't very serious so I tried it randomly with varying doses.  When Ive been drinking and its late I tend to eat more. 

  Try this for a few weeks.  I think some people have the pill popping mindset in such that they think these need to be taken daily, and possibly feel the need to experience the effects.  These are strong medicine.  I think at least once a week could be beneficial.  I've read that people tend to go back to their depressed state a few weeks after quitting, but I'm curious if it is as bad as before the experience.

Please post the type of mushroom and if you do it in the morning or evening.


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Re: Microdosing wood lovers and other wild actives [Re: Hunter hunter]
    #23906614 - 12/08/16 11:58 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Well shoot.  After I get the wood stacked and house squared away for the blizzard I'm popping a cap.


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Re: Microdosing wood lovers and other wild actives [Re: Mr Piggy] * 1
    #23906648 - 12/08/16 12:07 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: Microdosing wood lovers and other wild actives [Re: Fordgalaxy]
    #23907304 - 12/08/16 03:01 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

it works or helps at the least, i've been microdosing for like a year now.

i usually take a small portion of a stem every day from between 7pm to 12pm. (allenii cyan ovoids)


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Re: Microdosing wood lovers and other wild actives [Re: SmilingPolitely] * 1
    #23908598 - 12/08/16 10:04 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Ok, i did my first dose. Ive been wanting to Eat my regular amount for some time now. It's been since last new years if i am not mistaken. I feel this is very important. I Have no problem holding off.
    My scale doesn't register under 0.1 I just ate 1 cyan cap weighing less than 0.1 probably right around .08?

Thank you for the motivation to get started. It's strange. I instantly got a nervous feeling in my stomach upon ingestion. 


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Re: Microdosing wood lovers and other wild actives [Re: NothingsChanged]
    #23908776 - 12/08/16 11:02 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

:takingnotes:

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Re: Microdosing wood lovers and other wild actives [Re: NothingsChanged]
    #23908954 - 12/09/16 12:32 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Nice NC :thumbup:


I have had a clear head all day - and energy to get through
began to relax after some dinner and bong hitz

had a chill evening no aches or pains like i had last night with that clarity..

I'm going to take another half cap now and probably be in bed by midnight
i shall report back tomorrow

Question about tolerance and also how long should one micro??
- a week then a week off? something like that?

in my research people mention such things
but I would luv all your input on this one

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Re: Microdosing wood lovers and other wild actives [Re: Mushrello]
    #23908990 - 12/09/16 01:07 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

When I was researching A.muscaria I read one way to deal with inconsistent dosage is to grind them all up together. 
This will more-or-less homogenize whatever volume/weight you wanted to take.

Although now that I consider it, I wonder if it would make them stale faster due to increased surface.
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Re: Microdosing wood lovers and other wild actives [Re: ShockValue]
    #23910367 - 12/09/16 02:10 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Day 1. was easier to get up.(Even though I slept in) 

I mix my stash at the end of the season to keep potency consistent.


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Re: Microdosing wood lovers and other wild actives [Re: Mushrello]
    #23910422 - 12/09/16 02:25 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Nice NC :thumbup:


I have had a clear head all day - and energy to get through
began to relax after some dinner and bong hitz

had a chill evening no aches or pains like i had last night with that clarity..

I'm going to take another half cap now and probably be in bed by midnight
i shall report back tomorrow

Question about tolerance and also how long should one micro??
- a week then a week off? something like that?

in my research people mention such things
but I would luv all your input on this one

Nighty Nite

:peace:





I'm dosing every 2-4 days.  In the evening.  I will go at least 5-6 weeks then I'll take a break.


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Re: Microdosing wood lovers and other wild actives [Re: Hunter hunter]
    #23915146 - 12/11/16 01:33 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Tonights micro D.


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Re: Microdosing wood lovers and other wild actives [Re: NothingsChanged] * 1
    #23915155 - 12/11/16 01:43 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: Microdosing wood lovers and other wild actives [Re: NothingsChanged]
    #23916601 - 12/11/16 03:04 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

- doing the dose before bedtime was very enlightening

Every day my mind felt clearer
I had motivation no anxiety or hatred
no aches n pains like i usually have
& at night i was able to fall asleep quicker than normal 
(i tend to lay in bed for hours it seems before i pass out)

the clarity and motivation lasted all day till about 9 or 10ish then i felt tired and should of went to bed to get my circadian rhythm back but
i still had chores -
maybe i should of md'd then and not at 11:30 - but i wanted to stay consistant

I did about half a cap of cyan 3 nights in a row and nothing last night -
i feel a bit tired today but i still have a clear head and body:thumbup:

dont know when i will try again - maybe this week? i want to see how i feel and how long it lasts - and maybe even do less a dose??

But doing it at night
and a very small dose definitely helped me out

Thanks for the insight HunterHunter

so NothingsChanged... how ya feelin? :biggrin: did it help out some?

I hope it did
and i hope others will write about their experiences as well

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Re: Microdosing wood lovers and other wild actives [Re: Mushrello]
    #23917047 - 12/11/16 05:12 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

anyone have any advice for dealing with sudden thoughts of death or things like "everything is gonna die one day and this will be a memory" nothing suicidal or anything like that..


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    #23924502 - 12/13/16 10:18 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Nothing noticeable. Need to do something difrent. Still early in the experiment though.


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Re: Microdosing wood lovers and other wild actives [Re: Hunter hunter]
    #23924957 - 12/14/16 04:36 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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We should be the people pioneering this research.  It would be nice to have some scientifically minded people to do a nice write up of their experience. 





This is what a scientific study would look like. Firstly, the investigators would publish their intention to run a study, giving all tHe details of what they're going to do, when, which analysis methods they'll use etc. This helps to ensure that unwanted results don't get underreported. Particicpants in the study would not self-select from a community of shroom enthusiasts; rather people with depression would be selected for the study by psychologists, using criteria for inclusion in the study agreed in advance (obviously they have to consent to the study but the less the participants know about the purpose of the study the better). Ideally the people in the study would not be on any other medications which may confound the results. Failing that they would ideally be equivalently medicated. The participants would be randomly assigned to one of two groups (A or B). Microdoses would be weighed out from a single batch and put in capsules, with the psilocybin content of the batch established. An equivalent set of capsules would be created using a similar but not active mushroom. These two sets of caps would be packaged with nothing but a randomly assigned label (A or B) and sent to the psychologist(s) performing the study. Importantly, the psychologists performing the study would not know which batch of capsules contained the psilocybin. They would make some assessment of the mental condition of the participants at the start of the study. Then the participants would be instructed on how to take their pills. Their condition would be monitored for the length of the study (the length of the study being one factor which has been decided and published in advance). Then at the end of the study, the chosen method of comparing the results would be applied and the results published, whether or not they're favourable to the hypothesis that microdosing shrooms relieves depression.


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Re: Microdosing wood lovers and other wild actives [Re: jakefake]
    #23926015 - 12/14/16 01:23 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I understand the importance of a double blind study.  I also understand the shroomery participants will most likely be biased.  The problems we face are a legal matter.  I do not want to be giving a scheduled one substance to random individuals.  I will however consume teonanacatl at varying low doses and report any noticeable effects.  I encourage others to do the same.


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Re: Microdosing wood lovers and other wild actives [Re: SmilingPolitely] * 1
    #23926391 - 12/14/16 02:58 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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anyone have any advice for dealing with sudden thoughts of death or things like "everything is gonna die one day and this will be a memory" nothing suicidal or anything like that..



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intrusive_thought

The thing to remember is, you're not having intrusive thoughts because that's the way you actually feel.

Counseling helped me immensely with those, as did understanding that it's not my fault and they don't make me a bad person.  I have to consciously pull myself out of the loop some times.


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    #23926923 - 12/14/16 05:11 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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anyone have any advice for dealing with sudden thoughts of death or things like "everything is gonna die one day and this will be a memory" nothing suicidal or anything like that..



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intrusive_thought

The thing to remember is, you're not having intrusive thoughts because that's the way you actually feel.

Counseling helped me immensely with those, as did understanding that it's not my fault and they don't make me a bad person.  I have to consciously pull myself out of the loop some times.





Great response.  Intrusive negative thought patterns was one of the main reasons for my "experiment". 

I don't think drinking heavy and self medicating is a very good idea.  I had one of my heavy tequila nights and decided to have more than a microdose.  I woke up to beautiful closed eye visuals. 

The next day I was not hungover, however I was very grumpy and experienced even worse negative mind chatter all day.
    This may be positive though, now I see my alcohol use as a real problem.  At this point I understand I need to change my abusive behavior.  Maybe the whole of my issues have been from excessive ethanol abuse.

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Re: Microdosing wood lovers and other wild actives [Re: Hunter hunter] * 1
    #23926937 - 12/14/16 05:14 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I quit drinking a month ago, zero regrets.  Highly advise.


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Re: Microdosing wood lovers and other wild actives [Re: Mr Piggy] * 1
    #23928057 - 12/14/16 11:29 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Great job. All of you. I mean that. I am doing this because i want to and want see how it makes me feel. It may not be official. It's still a study. Dudes official statement, felt like a put down. Micro dose must be doing something. That Disrespect didn't even phase me.


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Re: Microdosing wood lovers and other wild actives [Re: NothingsChanged] * 1
    #23928106 - 12/15/16 12:16 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

No intended disrespect. I'm also feeling low and I'm also considering microdosing. Hunter's request made me question what a scientifically minded writeup would look like, that's all. If I had to guess I'd say that choosing to do something to help with depression will probably help,  almost irrespective of what the thing is that one chooses to do.


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    #23928819 - 12/15/16 10:15 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Skeptical does not equal negative.  If a study is to be done, it better be done right.


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Re: Microdosing wood lovers and other wild actives [Re: Hunter hunter]
    #23929131 - 12/15/16 12:03 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

That's good to hear man, my dad was/is a recovering alcoholic. I'm really glad i don't drink.

intrusive thoughts, that's what i'd call them but thankfully its nothing violent. i usually just don't chase them. getting stuck in a "loop" is the thing that ruined my first trips, i call it "thought chasing"

i've been eating a little before i go to bed each night. i feel a lot more thankful for things in my life and i don't feel like i can't do things anymore (self confidence related) I also quit taking my add meds about two weeks ago because i noticed i was getting angry very easily. i feel more "at peace" now


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    #23930718 - 12/15/16 07:42 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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No intended disrespect. I'm also feeling low and I'm also considering microdosing. Hunter's request made me question what a scientifically minded writeup would look like, that's all. If I had to guess I'd say that choosing to do something to help with depression will probably help,  almost irrespective of what the thing is that one chooses to do.



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Re: Microdosing wood lovers and other wild actives [Re: NothingsChanged]
    #23931025 - 12/15/16 09:40 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

there were some university studies on psilocybin's therapeutic benefits for reducing depression, ptsd, and also improving life outlook of terminally and non-terminally ill people

i haven't seen the actual studies, but they were both published in the Journal of Psychopharmacology, i think this year in 2016. One was by John Hopkins University, and the other by NYU. I'm not sure if they were micro-dosing or macro-dosing the subjects though.

if anyone has a pdf of either of these studies and can upload it that would be cool. i been meaning to track them down, but haven't made it to the university recently.

this is why i started hunting last season, for microdosing purposes


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Re: Microdosing wood lovers and other wild actives [Re: bush-lurker]
    #23931299 - 12/16/16 12:18 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

It's only worked for me long term with ovoids for pain-related depression. Short term, I make sure to eat a few mushrooms before picking or while picking. It makes me a better hunter. I don't know what part of my life microdosing could improve right now though. I don't see how it could be a long term aid, but I do think a few weeks or at best a few months, can be helpful in working out emotional issues if the issues stem from a neurological deficiency that their chemicals provide.


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    #23931519 - 12/16/16 04:29 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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I make sure to eat a few mushrooms before picking or while picking. It makes me a better hunter.




Never thought about doing that.  Huh.


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Re: Microdosing wood lovers and other wild actives [Re: bush-lurker]
    #23931653 - 12/16/16 07:49 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

really enjoying the contributions ITT, thanks y'all.  i've thought about doing this for some time now.


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there were some university studies on psilocybin's therapeutic benefits for reducing depression, ptsd, and also improving life outlook of terminally and non-terminally ill people

i haven't seen the actual studies, but they were both published in the Journal of Psychopharmacology, i think this year in 2016. One was by John Hopkins University, and the other by NYU. I'm not sure if they were micro-dosing or macro-dosing the subjects though.

if anyone has a pdf of either of these studies and can upload it that would be cool. i been meaning to track them down, but haven't made it to the university recently.

this is why i started hunting last season, for microdosing purposes




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Re: Microdosing wood lovers and other wild actives [Re: P.Goose] * 1
    #23932292 - 12/16/16 12:01 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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I make sure to eat a few mushrooms before picking or while picking. It makes me a better hunter.




Never thought about doing that.  Huh.




I thought it was just me but apparently it's pretty common practice amongst veteran pickers. Had no idea just realized it one day and ran with it. I suppose anything that gives you energy and dilated pupils would help. I've heard people say stimulants don't help in this manner but the mushrooms do. I try not to eat too many. But it helps seeing those little glints of light off wet caps that you wouldn't normally see unless enhanced.


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Re: Microdosing wood lovers and other wild actives [Re: Adden]
    #23932443 - 12/16/16 12:58 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I remember reading somewhere that low doses of Psilocybin heighten you senses. For myself in the the past when I have taken them on the come-up I've noticed I can hear things a lot better, or it seems that way at least.


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    #23932468 - 12/16/16 01:11 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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I quit drinking a month ago, zero regrets.  Highly advise.



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    #23932478 - 12/16/16 01:18 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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    This may be positive though, now I see my alcohol use as a real problem.  At this point I understand I need to change my abusive behavior. 

Off topic, but found a gift from the wife.  Tihkal and Pihkal oh hell yea!



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    #23933885 - 12/16/16 10:23 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

One of the first things i was told by numerous successful hunters was, Eat the first one you find and they will show them selves (You will start finding them). Thats also around the same time i learned how potent cyans can be. I ate one small cyan hunting the anacortes, wa area. Had to lay on a pile of washed up drift logs for well over 2 hours Just to come down enough to drive home.


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Re: Microdosing wood lovers and other wild actives [Re: NothingsChanged]
    #23933997 - 12/16/16 11:34 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

LOL

One time I ate like two I dunno just tiny little guys. I ended up half naked on the tallest dune in the middle of a December storm and figured out how time slides sideways while fractal sheets of reality-glass lunged from the sky into the sea. Was not expecting that. Needless to say I didn't get a lot of picking done that day. Would I do it again? Sure, and I have a couple more dozen times. Just never been caught off guard like that.


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Re: Microdosing wood lovers and other wild actives [Re: bush-lurker]
    #23937601 - 12/18/16 10:09 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Here's a link to the current special issue of Journal of Psychopharmacology - all of the articles are available for reading/downloading - and the first few paragraphs of the editorial:

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This special issue of the Journal of Psychopharmacology contains two landmark studies – the most rigorous controlled trials to date using the psychedelic drug psilocybin, the active ingredient of magic mushrooms (Griffiths et al., 2016; Ross et al., 2016). These were conducted in patients with anxiety and depression and existential distress in the context of having a diagnosis of cancer, and they showed that a single psychedelic experience could produce profound and enduring mental health benefits.

To many people brought up in the Reagan drug war era with the ‘drugs fry your brain’ message, psilocybin may seem a strange and possibly even a dangerous drug treatment of serious mental illness. For this reason, we have asked a number of significant figures in relevant research areas to provide commentaries on the two studies. These experts in the fields of psychiatry, trial design and end-of-life care provide their perspective on the research and its implications for clinical practice. The fact that everyone we approached agreed to provide a commentary, despite short notice, is a testimony to the interest that these two studies have sparked.

The honours list of the commentators reads like a ‘who’s who’ of American and European psychiatry, and should reassure any waverers that this use of psilocybin is well within the accepted scope of modern psychiatry. They include two past presidents of the American Psychiatric Association (Lieberman and Summergrad) and the past-president of the European College of Neuropsychopharmacology (Goodwin), a previous deputy director of the Office of USA National Drug Control Policy (Kleber) and a previous head of the UK Medicines and Healthcare Regulatory Authority (Breckenridge). In addition, we have input from experienced psychiatric clinical trialists, leading pharmacologists and cancer-care specialists. They all essentially say the same thing: it’s time to take psychedelic treatments in psychiatry and oncology seriously, as we did in the 1950s and 1960s, which means we need to go back to the future. As the commentaries point out, much more research needs to be done into optimising this approach, evaluating the breadth of possible target disorders and exploring the underpinning mechanisms. But the key point is that all agree we are now in an exciting new phase of psychedelic psychopharmacology that needs to be encouraged not impeded.




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    #23937933 - 12/18/16 12:36 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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    #23939297 - 12/18/16 09:41 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Tonights MD. My home life is adding bunches of extra stress. But going to stick with the micro even though i want a regular dose.


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    #23939335 - 12/18/16 10:01 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I switched it up today.  I did my microdose just before work.  Definately a difference.  Not something you want to do when you are in charge.  Way too relaxed.  Definately melts any stress that's for sure.  Nothing mattered.  I was able to do everything I needed but was a little too loosy goosy for my liking.  The day flew by absolutely no neg thoughts or weird obsession.  Maybe I ate too much idk.  My tennis elbow feels 100% better that's nice.  I had noticed the last few weeks it didn't hurt as bad.  Today no pain in my arm, back or neck which usually bothers me on a daily basis.


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Re: Microdosing wood lovers and other wild actives [Re: Hunter hunter]
    #23939341 - 12/18/16 10:03 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: Microdosing wood lovers and other wild actives [Re: Tofurky]
    #23941983 - 12/19/16 11:09 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Thanks for the link Tofurky :thumbup::grin:

in the first study they used
doses of .3mg per kg for the participants

im not sure if i was using the shroomery's dosage calculator correctly
but it looks like cyanescens has 6mg psilocybin and 2.3 mg of psilocin per dried gram of mushrooms.

so, in their study a 70kg person would be taking 21mg of psilocybin (.3mg x 70kg)
and that equals roughly 2.5 grams of cyans or allenii...

actually I'm not sure how psilocin and psilocybin compare to one another but if there is 6 mg psilocybin and 2.3 mg psilocin , i just added them together to make 8.3 mg of combined psilocybin/psilocin per dried gram of cyans (then 21mg divided by 8.3mg to get 2.5 dried grams of cyans)

But 2.5 grams of cyanescens is a pretty huge dose...

And is dosage seriously linked to the participants weight in this study? i mean .3 mg per kg?
Is that true? is it like alcohol and the more you weigh the higher the dose you need? and if so, why doesn't the shroomery's dosage calculator have a weight field, and dosage guides don't ever mention the person's weight....

and if dosage isn't correlated to the person's weight, then wouldn't this study be fundamentally flawed just by the dosage guidelines, because everyone would be getting different sized doses based on their weight..?


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    #23942471 - 12/20/16 06:11 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

2.5 gr micro dose? .25 azure/cyan is more like a micro to me @70kl


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    #23942986 - 12/20/16 10:33 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I like how I'm not alone eating my first mushroom finds of the season...always eat the 1st ovoid and thank the mushroom gods for their bounty. Lol...sometimes they can spin you a little more than you figure.:mushroom2:


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Re: Microdosing wood lovers and other wild actives [Re: stevo]
    #23944601 - 12/20/16 08:51 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I need to try and start microdosing. I think taking them before bed, or at least in the evening makes a ton of sense. Not sure why I've never heard of that before. I agree that the positive benefits come after the effects wear off.

I tripped hard about a month ago. Felt amazing after, but now its worn off, and I am back in a slump. Going to start messing with it. I will report back when I've done it for a bit with results, or lack of results.


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    #23944963 - 12/20/16 11:38 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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2.5 gr micro dose? .25 azure/cyan is more like a micro to me @70kl




no, those studies in the journal of psychopharmacology aren't really about micro dosing...
maybe shouldn't even discuss them here, but the perceived benefits of subjects are still relevant

actually in the second study they say
"When this study was designed, we had little past experience with a range of psilocybin doses. We decreased the high dose from 30 to 22 mg/70 kg after two of the first three participants who received a high dose of 30 mg/70 kg were discontinued from the study (one from vomiting shortly after capsule administration and one for personal reasons)."

so they decreased the equivalent dose of 3.5 dried grams of cyans to 2.5 grams of cyans (for a 70kg/154 lb person)...those are both still huge doses imo

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    #23947522 - 12/21/16 10:09 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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I got to try some cyans this year from a cultivated patch of mixed genetics from pnw origin.  They can be very potent.  These were significantly more potent than the european origin cyans, imo



Potent for sure. cyans are my top choice for more reasons than one. Thats why i am skeptical about unleashing the ovoids on my cyan turf. Sweet, sweet cyanescens........


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    #23956676 - 12/25/16 03:34 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

i haven't m dosed in several days.


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i haven't m dosed in several days.




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    #23972212 - 01/01/17 01:12 AM (7 years, 29 days ago)

I can't seem to keep any kind of consistency or schedule with my MD-ing


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Re: Microdosing wood lovers and other wild actives [Re: Hunter hunter]
    #23972434 - 01/01/17 07:42 AM (7 years, 29 days ago)

If you live in the PNW, you should know micro dosing is becoming a new trend in silicon valley to get a leg up. You would be better off buying Mucuna Pruriens which contains L Dopa ( dopamine precursor)and numerous tryptamines ( even 5 meo DMT). Combine it with St Johns Wort for a slight MAOI effect. I would find extracts for maximum benefits. I took it going through opiate withdrawal. Mushrooms will work though since they  mimic serotonin.


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I can't seem to keep any kind of consistency or schedule with my MD-ing





Yea I definately did not keep any consistent dose or time frame atleast two doses a week though day and night.  I'm Gonna take a break last dose was Christmas dinner with the fam. 

I'd like to try some nootropics next for sure. 

I had a day here and there where I was a little off balance other than that nothing but positive.  No regrets.  Next time I'm in a funk I'm not gonna wait a year to take care of my head.  I came across a cool quote from Alexander Shulgin about double conscious experiments as opposed to double blind.  I'll post it later.  He felt the need for people to be aware of the fact they are taking a psychoactive substance. 

One big negative I guess is I lost all urge to consume cannabis.  I had to buy a vape pen in order to smoke.  It became too much hassle to smoke flower.  Very weird. 

Also my obsession with posting and checking the shroomery as well as a few other habits I enjoyed have diminished.


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Re: Microdosing wood lovers and other wild actives [Re: Hunter hunter]
    #23973922 - 01/01/17 07:02 PM (7 years, 29 days ago)

If worst comes to worst, Kratom is always an option. I just got off of it and I have to say that even taking daily high doses for years cold turkey, the withdraw was kind of a joke! I couldn't even believe it.


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    #23974286 - 01/01/17 09:34 PM (7 years, 29 days ago)

Hunter. Interesting. Thanks for the update. I myself, have found it difficult to get motivated to do anything lately.


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My inconsistency with Micro Dosing is Lame.


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My inconsistency with Micro Dosing is Lame.





No reason for consistency.  Our psyche ebbs and flows.  So too should the use of medicine.  We are not taking an antibiotic.  No need for a bolus and maintenance dose, although it could prove beneficial.  Simply use as needed.


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    #23983336 - 01/05/17 08:36 AM (7 years, 25 days ago)

:whathesaid::thumbup:


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    #23984692 - 01/05/17 05:56 PM (7 years, 25 days ago)

My issue is not maintaining consistency, so it's hard to gage the benifits. Were my heads at lately, it would be unjust to gage anything posative or negative.


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