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NothingsChanged
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Re: Microdosing wood lovers and other wild actives [Re: oregonshroomers] 1
#23933885 - 12/16/16 10:23 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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One of the first things i was told by numerous successful hunters was, Eat the first one you find and they will show them selves (You will start finding them). Thats also around the same time i learned how potent cyans can be. I ate one small cyan hunting the anacortes, wa area. Had to lay on a pile of washed up drift logs for well over 2 hours Just to come down enough to drive home.
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Re: Microdosing wood lovers and other wild actives [Re: NothingsChanged]
#23933997 - 12/16/16 11:34 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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LOL
One time I ate like two I dunno just tiny little guys. I ended up half naked on the tallest dune in the middle of a December storm and figured out how time slides sideways while fractal sheets of reality-glass lunged from the sky into the sea. Was not expecting that. Needless to say I didn't get a lot of picking done that day. Would I do it again? Sure, and I have a couple more dozen times. Just never been caught off guard like that.
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Re: Microdosing wood lovers and other wild actives [Re: bush-lurker]
#23937601 - 12/18/16 10:09 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Here's a link to the current special issue of Journal of Psychopharmacology - all of the articles are available for reading/downloading - and the first few paragraphs of the editorial:
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This special issue of the Journal of Psychopharmacology contains two landmark studies – the most rigorous controlled trials to date using the psychedelic drug psilocybin, the active ingredient of magic mushrooms (Griffiths et al., 2016; Ross et al., 2016). These were conducted in patients with anxiety and depression and existential distress in the context of having a diagnosis of cancer, and they showed that a single psychedelic experience could produce profound and enduring mental health benefits.
To many people brought up in the Reagan drug war era with the ‘drugs fry your brain’ message, psilocybin may seem a strange and possibly even a dangerous drug treatment of serious mental illness. For this reason, we have asked a number of significant figures in relevant research areas to provide commentaries on the two studies. These experts in the fields of psychiatry, trial design and end-of-life care provide their perspective on the research and its implications for clinical practice. The fact that everyone we approached agreed to provide a commentary, despite short notice, is a testimony to the interest that these two studies have sparked.
The honours list of the commentators reads like a ‘who’s who’ of American and European psychiatry, and should reassure any waverers that this use of psilocybin is well within the accepted scope of modern psychiatry. They include two past presidents of the American Psychiatric Association (Lieberman and Summergrad) and the past-president of the European College of Neuropsychopharmacology (Goodwin), a previous deputy director of the Office of USA National Drug Control Policy (Kleber) and a previous head of the UK Medicines and Healthcare Regulatory Authority (Breckenridge). In addition, we have input from experienced psychiatric clinical trialists, leading pharmacologists and cancer-care specialists. They all essentially say the same thing: it’s time to take psychedelic treatments in psychiatry and oncology seriously, as we did in the 1950s and 1960s, which means we need to go back to the future. As the commentaries point out, much more research needs to be done into optimising this approach, evaluating the breadth of possible target disorders and exploring the underpinning mechanisms. But the key point is that all agree we are now in an exciting new phase of psychedelic psychopharmacology that needs to be encouraged not impeded.
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Re: Microdosing wood lovers and other wild actives [Re: Tofurky]
#23937933 - 12/18/16 12:36 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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NothingsChanged
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Re: Microdosing wood lovers and other wild actives [Re: NothingsChanged]
#23939297 - 12/18/16 09:41 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Tonights MD. My home life is adding bunches of extra stress. But going to stick with the micro even though i want a regular dose.
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Re: Microdosing wood lovers and other wild actives [Re: NothingsChanged]
#23939335 - 12/18/16 10:01 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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I switched it up today. I did my microdose just before work. Definately a difference. Not something you want to do when you are in charge. Way too relaxed. Definately melts any stress that's for sure. Nothing mattered. I was able to do everything I needed but was a little too loosy goosy for my liking. The day flew by absolutely no neg thoughts or weird obsession. Maybe I ate too much idk. My tennis elbow feels 100% better that's nice. I had noticed the last few weeks it didn't hurt as bad. Today no pain in my arm, back or neck which usually bothers me on a daily basis.
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Re: Microdosing wood lovers and other wild actives [Re: Hunter hunter]
#23939341 - 12/18/16 10:03 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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bush-lurker
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Re: Microdosing wood lovers and other wild actives [Re: Tofurky]
#23941983 - 12/19/16 11:09 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Thanks for the link Tofurky  
in the first study they used doses of .3mg per kg for the participants
im not sure if i was using the shroomery's dosage calculator correctly but it looks like cyanescens has 6mg psilocybin and 2.3 mg of psilocin per dried gram of mushrooms.
so, in their study a 70kg person would be taking 21mg of psilocybin (.3mg x 70kg) and that equals roughly 2.5 grams of cyans or allenii...
actually I'm not sure how psilocin and psilocybin compare to one another but if there is 6 mg psilocybin and 2.3 mg psilocin , i just added them together to make 8.3 mg of combined psilocybin/psilocin per dried gram of cyans (then 21mg divided by 8.3mg to get 2.5 dried grams of cyans)
But 2.5 grams of cyanescens is a pretty huge dose...
And is dosage seriously linked to the participants weight in this study? i mean .3 mg per kg? Is that true? is it like alcohol and the more you weigh the higher the dose you need? and if so, why doesn't the shroomery's dosage calculator have a weight field, and dosage guides don't ever mention the person's weight....
and if dosage isn't correlated to the person's weight, then wouldn't this study be fundamentally flawed just by the dosage guidelines, because everyone would be getting different sized doses based on their weight..?
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Re: Microdosing wood lovers and other wild actives [Re: bush-lurker] 1
#23942471 - 12/20/16 06:11 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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2.5 gr micro dose? .25 azure/cyan is more like a micro to me @70kl
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Re: Microdosing wood lovers and other wild actives [Re: Pinpapa]
#23942986 - 12/20/16 10:33 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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I like how I'm not alone eating my first mushroom finds of the season...always eat the 1st ovoid and thank the mushroom gods for their bounty. Lol...sometimes they can spin you a little more than you figure.
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#23943035 - 12/20/16 10:47 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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d0urd3n
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Re: Microdosing wood lovers and other wild actives [Re: stevo]
#23944601 - 12/20/16 08:51 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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I need to try and start microdosing. I think taking them before bed, or at least in the evening makes a ton of sense. Not sure why I've never heard of that before. I agree that the positive benefits come after the effects wear off.
I tripped hard about a month ago. Felt amazing after, but now its worn off, and I am back in a slump. Going to start messing with it. I will report back when I've done it for a bit with results, or lack of results.
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Re: Microdosing wood lovers and other wild actives [Re: Pinpapa]
#23944963 - 12/20/16 11:38 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Pinpapa said: 2.5 gr micro dose? .25 azure/cyan is more like a micro to me @70kl
no, those studies in the journal of psychopharmacology aren't really about micro dosing... maybe shouldn't even discuss them here, but the perceived benefits of subjects are still relevant
actually in the second study they say "When this study was designed, we had little past experience with a range of psilocybin doses. We decreased the high dose from 30 to 22 mg/70 kg after two of the first three participants who received a high dose of 30 mg/70 kg were discontinued from the study (one from vomiting shortly after capsule administration and one for personal reasons)."
so they decreased the equivalent dose of 3.5 dried grams of cyans to 2.5 grams of cyans (for a 70kg/154 lb person)...those are both still huge doses imo
i usually mircro dose on nearly imperceptible doses of .1 g
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NothingsChanged
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Re: Microdosing wood lovers and other wild actives [Re: stevo] 1
#23947522 - 12/21/16 10:09 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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stevo said: I got to try some cyans this year from a cultivated patch of mixed genetics from pnw origin. They can be very potent. These were significantly more potent than the european origin cyans, imo
Potent for sure. cyans are my top choice for more reasons than one. Thats why i am skeptical about unleashing the ovoids on my cyan turf. Sweet, sweet cyanescens........
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Re: Microdosing wood lovers and other wild actives [Re: NothingsChanged]
#23956676 - 12/25/16 03:34 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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i haven't m dosed in several days.
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Re: Microdosing wood lovers and other wild actives [Re: NothingsChanged]
#23956754 - 12/25/16 04:16 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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NothingsChanged said: i haven't m dosed in several days.
Just took a small dose just before Christmas dinner with the family.
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NothingsChanged
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Re: Microdosing wood lovers and other wild actives [Re: Hunter hunter]
#23956802 - 12/25/16 04:45 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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enjoy
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NothingsChanged
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Re: Microdosing wood lovers and other wild actives [Re: NothingsChanged]
#23972212 - 01/01/17 01:12 AM (7 years, 29 days ago) |
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I can't seem to keep any kind of consistency or schedule with my MD-ing
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Re: Microdosing wood lovers and other wild actives [Re: Hunter hunter]
#23972434 - 01/01/17 07:42 AM (7 years, 29 days ago) |
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If you live in the PNW, you should know micro dosing is becoming a new trend in silicon valley to get a leg up. You would be better off buying Mucuna Pruriens which contains L Dopa ( dopamine precursor)and numerous tryptamines ( even 5 meo DMT). Combine it with St Johns Wort for a slight MAOI effect. I would find extracts for maximum benefits. I took it going through opiate withdrawal. Mushrooms will work though since they mimic serotonin.
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Re: Microdosing wood lovers and other wild actives [Re: NothingsChanged]
#23973603 - 01/01/17 05:22 PM (7 years, 29 days ago) |
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NothingsChanged said: I can't seem to keep any kind of consistency or schedule with my MD-ing
Yea I definately did not keep any consistent dose or time frame atleast two doses a week though day and night. I'm Gonna take a break last dose was Christmas dinner with the fam.
I'd like to try some nootropics next for sure.
I had a day here and there where I was a little off balance other than that nothing but positive. No regrets. Next time I'm in a funk I'm not gonna wait a year to take care of my head. I came across a cool quote from Alexander Shulgin about double conscious experiments as opposed to double blind. I'll post it later. He felt the need for people to be aware of the fact they are taking a psychoactive substance.
One big negative I guess is I lost all urge to consume cannabis. I had to buy a vape pen in order to smoke. It became too much hassle to smoke flower. Very weird.
Also my obsession with posting and checking the shroomery as well as a few other habits I enjoyed have diminished.
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