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OfflineSmilingPolitely
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Re: Microdosing wood lovers and other wild actives [Re: Mushrello]
    #23917047 - 12/11/16 05:12 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

anyone have any advice for dealing with sudden thoughts of death or things like "everything is gonna die one day and this will be a memory" nothing suicidal or anything like that..


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Re: Microdosing wood lovers and other wild actives [Re: SmilingPolitely]
    #23924502 - 12/13/16 10:18 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Nothing noticeable. Need to do something difrent. Still early in the experiment though.


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Re: Microdosing wood lovers and other wild actives [Re: Hunter hunter]
    #23924957 - 12/14/16 04:36 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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We should be the people pioneering this research.  It would be nice to have some scientifically minded people to do a nice write up of their experience. 





This is what a scientific study would look like. Firstly, the investigators would publish their intention to run a study, giving all tHe details of what they're going to do, when, which analysis methods they'll use etc. This helps to ensure that unwanted results don't get underreported. Particicpants in the study would not self-select from a community of shroom enthusiasts; rather people with depression would be selected for the study by psychologists, using criteria for inclusion in the study agreed in advance (obviously they have to consent to the study but the less the participants know about the purpose of the study the better). Ideally the people in the study would not be on any other medications which may confound the results. Failing that they would ideally be equivalently medicated. The participants would be randomly assigned to one of two groups (A or B). Microdoses would be weighed out from a single batch and put in capsules, with the psilocybin content of the batch established. An equivalent set of capsules would be created using a similar but not active mushroom. These two sets of caps would be packaged with nothing but a randomly assigned label (A or B) and sent to the psychologist(s) performing the study. Importantly, the psychologists performing the study would not know which batch of capsules contained the psilocybin. They would make some assessment of the mental condition of the participants at the start of the study. Then the participants would be instructed on how to take their pills. Their condition would be monitored for the length of the study (the length of the study being one factor which has been decided and published in advance). Then at the end of the study, the chosen method of comparing the results would be applied and the results published, whether or not they're favourable to the hypothesis that microdosing shrooms relieves depression.


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Re: Microdosing wood lovers and other wild actives [Re: jakefake]
    #23926015 - 12/14/16 01:23 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I understand the importance of a double blind study.  I also understand the shroomery participants will most likely be biased.  The problems we face are a legal matter.  I do not want to be giving a scheduled one substance to random individuals.  I will however consume teonanacatl at varying low doses and report any noticeable effects.  I encourage others to do the same.


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Re: Microdosing wood lovers and other wild actives [Re: SmilingPolitely] * 1
    #23926391 - 12/14/16 02:58 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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SmilingPolitely said:
anyone have any advice for dealing with sudden thoughts of death or things like "everything is gonna die one day and this will be a memory" nothing suicidal or anything like that..



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intrusive_thought

The thing to remember is, you're not having intrusive thoughts because that's the way you actually feel.

Counseling helped me immensely with those, as did understanding that it's not my fault and they don't make me a bad person.  I have to consciously pull myself out of the loop some times.


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Re: Microdosing wood lovers and other wild actives [Re: Mr Piggy]
    #23926923 - 12/14/16 05:11 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Mr Piggy said:
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SmilingPolitely said:
anyone have any advice for dealing with sudden thoughts of death or things like "everything is gonna die one day and this will be a memory" nothing suicidal or anything like that..



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intrusive_thought

The thing to remember is, you're not having intrusive thoughts because that's the way you actually feel.

Counseling helped me immensely with those, as did understanding that it's not my fault and they don't make me a bad person.  I have to consciously pull myself out of the loop some times.





Great response.  Intrusive negative thought patterns was one of the main reasons for my "experiment". 

I don't think drinking heavy and self medicating is a very good idea.  I had one of my heavy tequila nights and decided to have more than a microdose.  I woke up to beautiful closed eye visuals. 

The next day I was not hungover, however I was very grumpy and experienced even worse negative mind chatter all day.
    This may be positive though, now I see my alcohol use as a real problem.  At this point I understand I need to change my abusive behavior.  Maybe the whole of my issues have been from excessive ethanol abuse.

Off topic, but found a gift from the wife.  Tihkal and Pihkal oh hell yea!


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Re: Microdosing wood lovers and other wild actives [Re: Hunter hunter] * 1
    #23926937 - 12/14/16 05:14 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I quit drinking a month ago, zero regrets.  Highly advise.


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Re: Microdosing wood lovers and other wild actives [Re: Mr Piggy] * 1
    #23928057 - 12/14/16 11:29 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Great job. All of you. I mean that. I am doing this because i want to and want see how it makes me feel. It may not be official. It's still a study. Dudes official statement, felt like a put down. Micro dose must be doing something. That Disrespect didn't even phase me.


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Re: Microdosing wood lovers and other wild actives [Re: NothingsChanged] * 1
    #23928106 - 12/15/16 12:16 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

No intended disrespect. I'm also feeling low and I'm also considering microdosing. Hunter's request made me question what a scientifically minded writeup would look like, that's all. If I had to guess I'd say that choosing to do something to help with depression will probably help,  almost irrespective of what the thing is that one chooses to do.


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Re: Microdosing wood lovers and other wild actives [Re: jakefake]
    #23928819 - 12/15/16 10:15 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Skeptical does not equal negative.  If a study is to be done, it better be done right.


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Re: Microdosing wood lovers and other wild actives [Re: Hunter hunter]
    #23929131 - 12/15/16 12:03 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

That's good to hear man, my dad was/is a recovering alcoholic. I'm really glad i don't drink.

intrusive thoughts, that's what i'd call them but thankfully its nothing violent. i usually just don't chase them. getting stuck in a "loop" is the thing that ruined my first trips, i call it "thought chasing"

i've been eating a little before i go to bed each night. i feel a lot more thankful for things in my life and i don't feel like i can't do things anymore (self confidence related) I also quit taking my add meds about two weeks ago because i noticed i was getting angry very easily. i feel more "at peace" now


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Re: Microdosing wood lovers and other wild actives [Re: jakefake]
    #23930718 - 12/15/16 07:42 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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jakefake said:
No intended disrespect. I'm also feeling low and I'm also considering microdosing. Hunter's request made me question what a scientifically minded writeup would look like, that's all. If I had to guess I'd say that choosing to do something to help with depression will probably help,  almost irrespective of what the thing is that one chooses to do.



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Re: Microdosing wood lovers and other wild actives [Re: NothingsChanged]
    #23931025 - 12/15/16 09:40 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

there were some university studies on psilocybin's therapeutic benefits for reducing depression, ptsd, and also improving life outlook of terminally and non-terminally ill people

i haven't seen the actual studies, but they were both published in the Journal of Psychopharmacology, i think this year in 2016. One was by John Hopkins University, and the other by NYU. I'm not sure if they were micro-dosing or macro-dosing the subjects though.

if anyone has a pdf of either of these studies and can upload it that would be cool. i been meaning to track them down, but haven't made it to the university recently.

this is why i started hunting last season, for microdosing purposes


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Re: Microdosing wood lovers and other wild actives [Re: bush-lurker]
    #23931299 - 12/16/16 12:18 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

It's only worked for me long term with ovoids for pain-related depression. Short term, I make sure to eat a few mushrooms before picking or while picking. It makes me a better hunter. I don't know what part of my life microdosing could improve right now though. I don't see how it could be a long term aid, but I do think a few weeks or at best a few months, can be helpful in working out emotional issues if the issues stem from a neurological deficiency that their chemicals provide.


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Re: Microdosing wood lovers and other wild actives [Re: Adden]
    #23931519 - 12/16/16 04:29 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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I make sure to eat a few mushrooms before picking or while picking. It makes me a better hunter.




Never thought about doing that.  Huh.


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Re: Microdosing wood lovers and other wild actives [Re: bush-lurker]
    #23931653 - 12/16/16 07:49 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

really enjoying the contributions ITT, thanks y'all.  i've thought about doing this for some time now.


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there were some university studies on psilocybin's therapeutic benefits for reducing depression, ptsd, and also improving life outlook of terminally and non-terminally ill people

i haven't seen the actual studies, but they were both published in the Journal of Psychopharmacology, i think this year in 2016. One was by John Hopkins University, and the other by NYU. I'm not sure if they were micro-dosing or macro-dosing the subjects though.

if anyone has a pdf of either of these studies and can upload it that would be cool. i been meaning to track them down, but haven't made it to the university recently.

this is why i started hunting last season, for microdosing purposes




i might be able to help.  will post if i'm able to secure them.


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Re: Microdosing wood lovers and other wild actives [Re: P.Goose] * 1
    #23932292 - 12/16/16 12:01 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Adden said:
I make sure to eat a few mushrooms before picking or while picking. It makes me a better hunter.




Never thought about doing that.  Huh.




I thought it was just me but apparently it's pretty common practice amongst veteran pickers. Had no idea just realized it one day and ran with it. I suppose anything that gives you energy and dilated pupils would help. I've heard people say stimulants don't help in this manner but the mushrooms do. I try not to eat too many. But it helps seeing those little glints of light off wet caps that you wouldn't normally see unless enhanced.


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Re: Microdosing wood lovers and other wild actives [Re: Adden]
    #23932443 - 12/16/16 12:58 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I remember reading somewhere that low doses of Psilocybin heighten you senses. For myself in the the past when I have taken them on the come-up I've noticed I can hear things a lot better, or it seems that way at least.


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Re: Microdosing wood lovers and other wild actives [Re: Mr Piggy]
    #23932468 - 12/16/16 01:11 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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I quit drinking a month ago, zero regrets.  Highly advise.



Good for you man, keep with it. Alcohol is the worst drug there is. It's way to easy to get hammered everday. If I didn't quit drinking I would've ruined my life


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Re: Microdosing wood lovers and other wild actives [Re: Hunter hunter]
    #23932478 - 12/16/16 01:18 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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    This may be positive though, now I see my alcohol use as a real problem.  At this point I understand I need to change my abusive behavior. 

Off topic, but found a gift from the wife.  Tihkal and Pihkal oh hell yea!



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Your wife got you a great gift! RIP Alexander Shulgin


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