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So Obamacare. What to scrap, what to keep?
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Trump's gonna keep parts of it and replace the rest.
What would you like to see scraped and what would you like to see kept?
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Re: So Obamacare. What to scrap, what to keep? [Re: Patlal]
#23904245 - 12/07/16 04:40 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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The Obama part, keep the care  But for real I had nothing against the original outline.
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Re: So Obamacare. What to scrap, what to keep? [Re: goldcaphunter] 2
#23904300 - 12/07/16 05:03 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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We need to scrap about 99% of the 33,000 pages that is the ACA.
For starters, write a bill that congress can actually read before they vote on it.
Two, write a bill that has bipartisan support. Not 1 single Republican voted for the ACA.
We have to remove the mandate. I don't buy into the argument that you can't have the provisions for 26 year old and pre-existing conditions without it the mandate. I think that's a bogus argument. We went from a country that used antiquated technology to win both world wars and put men on the moon, to a country where we can't figure how to provide coverage for all AND not penalize people that choose to live without it.
There is no logical argument that says health care shouldn't be bought and sold across state boarders. This rule isn't applied to 99% of other regulated goods sold, or with other types of insurance. Its shouldn't be so with healthcare.
The deductibles and premiums have to be significantly lower BEFORE taking subsidies into the account.
We need to provide real healthcare that gives incentives back to the doctors and patients, not the insurance companies, middle men, and drug companies. As to what incentives these should be, I don't know. But I do know that doctors go through a hell of a lot of school only to live in constant fear of being sued for malpractice or a mistake. I know real good dr's that aren't just drug pushers are hard to find.
We need the government to not artificially regulate the cost of healthcare because prices are being defined by what medicare and medicaid will pay. I have clients in the healthcare industry (many of them), and they want to sell stuff for less. But there is a set price on many things if you want to accident medicare and medicaid patients to play by the government rules. These rules are suppose to ensure companies don't overcharge for goods and services. But instead it actually hurts the companies and service provides and patients, only to help insurance companies.
We we have a government that has no accountability or leadership that isn't corrupted by lobbyists, we can't rely on additional regulation to get the job done. We have to give the power back to the free market under new rules and less regulation.
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Re: So Obamacare. What to scrap, what to keep? [Re: daytripper05] 1
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The mandate is just retarded and it makes no sense why we can't purchase healthcare across state lines.
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Re: So Obamacare. What to scrap, what to keep? [Re: daytripper05]
#23904388 - 12/07/16 05:36 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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People that don't have coverage don't pay their bills. That's the reason behind a small penalty compared to not paying bills.
Lot's of people that OD or go to the funny farm have zero coverage. These are also the people that should be protected through medicare.
I think more jobs should have medical coverage. Lot's of employers who suck millions if not billions from the economy cheat. They cheat by not giving full time jobs that must pay benefits.
I don't know what else should be law. It seems some of the costs of prescriptions could be cut back if the Government did more medical research themselves.
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Re: So Obamacare. What to scrap, what to keep? [Re: daytripper05]
#23904415 - 12/07/16 05:44 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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daytripper05 said: We need to scrap about 99% of the 33,000 pages that is the ACA.
For starters, write a bill that congress can actually read before they vote on it.
Two, write a bill that has bipartisan support. Not 1 single Republican voted for the ACA.
We have to remove the mandate. I don't buy into the argument that you can't have the provisions for 26 year old and pre-existing conditions without it the mandate. I think that's a bogus argument. We went from a country that used antiquated technology to win both world wars and put men on the moon, to a country where we can't figure how to provide coverage for all AND not penalize people that choose to live without it.
There is no logical argument that says health care shouldn't be bought and sold across state boarders. This rule isn't applied to 99% of other regulated goods sold, or with other types of insurance. Its shouldn't be so with healthcare.
The deductibles and premiums have to be significantly lower BEFORE taking subsidies into the account.
We need to provide real healthcare that gives incentives back to the doctors and patients, not the insurance companies, middle men, and drug companies. As to what incentives these should be, I don't know. But I do know that doctors go through a hell of a lot of school only to live in constant fear of being sued for malpractice or a mistake. I know real good dr's that aren't just drug pushers are hard to find.
We need the government to not artificially regulate the cost of healthcare because prices are being defined by what medicare and medicaid will pay. I have clients in the healthcare industry (many of them), and they want to sell stuff for less. But there is a set price on many things if you want to accident medicare and medicaid patients to play by the government rules. These rules are suppose to ensure companies don't overcharge for goods and services. But instead it actually hurts the companies and service provides and patients, only to help insurance companies.
We we have a government that has no accountability or leadership that isn't corrupted by lobbyists, we can't rely on additional regulation to get the job done. We have to give the power back to the free market under new rules and less regulation.
I'm not sure if all you just said is real. But it looks really believable. So yeah, what you said...
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Re: So Obamacare. What to scrap, what to keep? [Re: Patlal] 1
#23904434 - 12/07/16 05:51 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Scrap obamacare. Scrap insurance companies. Bring in single payer and reign in healthcare costs. We spend nearly double on healthcare per person than the next most expensive country yet have some of the worst health outcomes, lowest life expectancy, and highest rate of medical errors among economically advanced nations. Healthcare costs will continue to spiral out of control as long as you have insurance companies, hospitals, physicians, and pharmaceutical companies bilking as much profit out of patients and the government as they can.
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Re: So Obamacare. What to scrap, what to keep? [Re: ohcrapitsnico]
#23904440 - 12/07/16 05:53 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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It's like this animal hospital down the road. My dog had a UTI (Urinary Tract Infection). I freaked out because he was hurting. So I took him to the closest place, right across the street. It's a mega place, million dollar building easily. 10,000 square feet. So I'm thinking whatever, pay what it costs. They make me sign a paper and the bill was over $400 for a visit that would only be $89 at our normal vet.
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Re: So Obamacare. What to scrap, what to keep? [Re: Morel Guy]
#23904465 - 12/07/16 06:01 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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dogs get better coverage because they don't sue
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Re: So Obamacare. What to scrap, what to keep? [Re: Konyap]
#23904485 - 12/07/16 06:07 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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That is not the point I made at all. Yes you can sue a vet.
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Re: So Obamacare. What to scrap, what to keep? [Re: ohcrapitsnico] 1
#23906166 - 12/08/16 09:33 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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ohcrapitsnico said: Scrap obamacare. Scrap insurance companies. Bring in single payer and reign in healthcare costs. We spend nearly double on healthcare per person than the next most expensive country yet have some of the worst health outcomes, lowest life expectancy, and highest rate of medical errors among economically advanced nations. Healthcare costs will continue to spiral out of control as long as you have insurance companies, hospitals, physicians, and pharmaceutical companies bilking as much profit out of patients and the government as they can.
false claims much?
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Re: So Obamacare. What to scrap, what to keep? [Re: Prisoner#1]
#23906174 - 12/08/16 09:35 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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I like how he thinks physicians are part of the Obamacare problem.
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Re: So Obamacare. What to scrap, what to keep? [Re: daytripper05]
#23906197 - 12/08/16 09:49 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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daytripper05 said: I like how he thinks physicians are part of the Obamacare problem.
Obama said they cut off limbs just to make a few bucks
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Re: So Obamacare. What to scrap, what to keep? [Re: ohcrapitsnico]
#23906522 - 12/08/16 11:32 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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ohcrapitsnico said: We spend nearly double on healthcare per person than the next most expensive country

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Re: So Obamacare. What to scrap, what to keep? [Re: ohcrapitsnico]
#23906531 - 12/08/16 11:34 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Prisoner#1 said:
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ohcrapitsnico said: Scrap obamacare. Scrap insurance companies. Bring in single payer and reign in healthcare costs. We spend nearly double on healthcare per person than the next most expensive country yet have some of the worst health outcomes, lowest life expectancy, and highest rate of medical errors among economically advanced nations. Healthcare costs will continue to spiral out of control as long as you have insurance companies, hospitals, physicians, and pharmaceutical companies bilking as much profit out of patients and the government as they can.
false claims much?
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ohcrapitsnico said: We spend nearly double on healthcare per person than the next most expensive country

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ohcrapitsnico said: Healthcare costs will continue to spiral out of control as long as you have insurance companies, hospitals, physicians, and pharmaceutical companies bilking as much profit out of patients and the government as they can.


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ohcrapitsnico said: lowest life expectancy among economically advanced nations.

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ohcrapitsnico said: highest rate of medical errors among economically advanced nations.


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ohcrapitsnico said: some of the worst health outcomes among economically advanced nations.

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Re: So Obamacare. What to scrap, what to keep? [Re: ohcrapitsnico] 1
#23906772 - 12/08/16 12:31 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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ohcrapitsnico said: We spend nearly double on healthcare per person than the next most expensive country

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ohcrapitsnico said: Healthcare costs will continue to spiral out of control as long as you have insurance companies, hospitals, physicians, and pharmaceutical companies bilking as much profit out of patients and the government as they can.


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ohcrapitsnico said: lowest life expectancy among economically advanced nations.

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ohcrapitsnico said: highest rate of medical errors among economically advanced nations.


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ohcrapitsnico said: some of the worst health outcomes among economically advanced nations.

What do you know about healthcare besides working in the industry for years and being in med school?
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Re: So Obamacare. What to scrap, what to keep? [Re: Supachopped719]
#23906794 - 12/08/16 12:35 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Lies
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Re: So Obamacare. What to scrap, what to keep? [Re: koods]
#23906801 - 12/08/16 12:36 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Wow, really makes me wonder why rich people from all over the world come here for healthcare,
must be believing all them right wing lies
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Re: So Obamacare. What to scrap, what to keep? [Re: hostileuniverse]
#23906813 - 12/08/16 12:37 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that out they get sued so they cut cost by hiring less people and make them work 12-16 hour a day they're fucking nuts I don't care how easy it is
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Re: So Obamacare. What to scrap, what to keep? [Re: Konyap]
#23906815 - 12/08/16 12:38 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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I'm just like, not applying for medicaid and telling insurance to go fuck themselves. I will pay the 7000 dolars bullshit that they throw at me.
Ya kjnow, fuck obama care, oh boy here comes my kitty..
seriously, maybe obama care and doctors are fucking this country up. Maybe we mneed less doctors, and more intelligent people on board..!!
Right, like, I am wokring on it..!! gonna help you all out! Just wait, and see. Trump is the president now, and I support him!! Mr. President!!
You know, they were aware of me a while ago, and my computer has already shut down on me a few times, but I just keep going. and coming back!!
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Re: So Obamacare. What to scrap, what to keep? [Re: hostileuniverse]
#23906816 - 12/08/16 12:38 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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American healthcare is great is you're super wealthy. It sucks if you're everyone else. That's nothing to be proud of. You should be ashamed.
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Re: So Obamacare. What to scrap, what to keep? [Re: koods]
#23906847 - 12/08/16 12:47 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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koods said: American healthcare is great is you're super wealthy. It sucks if you're everyone else. That's nothing to be proud of. You should be ashamed.
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Re: So Obamacare. What to scrap, what to keep? [Re: hostileuniverse]
#23906855 - 12/08/16 12:50 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Did you look at what ohcrapitsnico (someone who actually works in healthcare) posted about the US healthcare system?
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Re: So Obamacare. What to scrap, what to keep? [Re: koods]
#23906857 - 12/08/16 12:52 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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koods said: Did you look at what ohcrapitsnico (someone who actually works in healthcare) posted about the US healthcare system?
The lies and BS, yep I seen it
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Re: So Obamacare. What to scrap, what to keep? [Re: hostileuniverse]
#23906861 - 12/08/16 12:55 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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The alt right is immune to facts. Pathetic.
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Re: So Obamacare. What to scrap, what to keep? [Re: koods]
#23906866 - 12/08/16 12:56 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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koods said: The alt right is immune to facts. Pathetic.
Is everyone that doesn't agree with you, " alt right"?
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Re: So Obamacare. What to scrap, what to keep? [Re: hostileuniverse] 2
#23906874 - 12/08/16 12:58 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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You're clearly alt right. You're practically the archetype.
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Re: So Obamacare. What to scrap, what to keep? [Re: hostileuniverse]
#23906875 - 12/08/16 12:59 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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hostileuniverse said:
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koods said: The alt right is immune to facts. Pathetic.
Is everyone that doesn't agree with you, " alt right"?
You post racist memes so yes.
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hostileuniverse said: Even if they actually DO look like monkeys?

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Re: So Obamacare. What to scrap, what to keep? [Re: ohcrapitsnico]
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ohcrapitsnico said:
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hostileuniverse said:
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koods said: The alt right is immune to facts. Pathetic.
Is everyone that doesn't agree with you, " alt right"?
You post racist memes so yes.
Lots of accusations flying here, yet no proof 
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Re: So Obamacare. What to scrap, what to keep? [Re: ohcrapitsnico]
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Fuck the insurance company & fuck the doctors. THEY don't give a flying fuck about you or your health. They want your fucking money.
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Re: So Obamacare. What to scrap, what to keep? [Re: hostileuniverse]
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hostileuniverse said:
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koods said: The alt right is immune to facts. Pathetic.
Is everyone that doesn't agree with you, " alt right"?
You post racist memes so yes.
Lots of accusations flying here, yet no proof 
***youre just a crazy communist 
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Re: So Obamacare. What to scrap, what to keep? [Re: hostileuniverse]
#23906897 - 12/08/16 01:05 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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hostileuniverse said: Lots of accusations flying here, yet no proof 
I posted proof.
***except you don't care about proof if it doesn't fit your into your ideological safe space
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Re: So Obamacare. What to scrap, what to keep? [Re: ohcrapitsnico]
#23906902 - 12/08/16 01:07 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Okay she actulky looks like a monkey, so does a lot of white people, that's not racism, it's ridicule
Fuck libs are stupid
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Re: So Obamacare. What to scrap, what to keep? [Re: PumpJackTeX]
#23906903 - 12/08/16 01:08 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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TexXx said: Fuck the insurance company & fuck the doctors. THEY don't give a flying fuck about you or your health. They want your fucking money.
they cut off your limbs for money, obama said so
Fuck all healthcare!
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Re: So Obamacare. What to scrap, what to keep? [Re: hostileuniverse]
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hostileuniverse said: Okay she actulky looks like a monkey, so does a lot of white people, that's not racism, it's ridicule
Fuck libs are stupid
Gimme a break. You know what you're doing. You know comparing black people to monkeys is racist.
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Re: So Obamacare. What to scrap, what to keep? [Re: ohcrapitsnico]
#23906911 - 12/08/16 01:10 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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property taxes fuck me over
I was making 5$ more than min wage in 2012 and almost half of my paycheck would go to property taxes lets say only a quarter of it went.. that's 16,000 left over
heating oil 3-6k insurance 1.5k electricity 2k whatever else they throw at me that's like 6000 dollars for food and if an oil burner breaks then you have to go on food stamps while you're still working fulltime
if i had a family of 3 - 4 health insurance would cost me that 16k
it makes no sense...
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Re: So Obamacare. What to scrap, what to keep? [Re: koods]
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hostileuniverse said: Okay she actulky looks like a monkey, so does a lot of white people, that's not racism, it's ridicule
Fuck libs are stupid
Gimme a break. You know what you're doing. You know comparing black people to monkeys is racist.
Is comparing Trump to an orangutan racist? Is making fun of him for the color of his skin "racist"?
Face it, you people cry racism every time someone criticizes a minority, sexism every time some criticizes a woman, etc etc
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TexXx said: Fuck the insurance company & fuck the doctors. THEY don't give a flying fuck about you or your health. They want your fucking money.
YeS FoR REAL, oh man am I pissed at all of them..!! Like, doctors that make you take drugs that cause you more pain just because of fucking MonEy, and LieS, OH BOY, I can't wait to tear into all of it.
Slowly but surely the pharmaceuticals and all the bullshit about mental illness will fall. And then you just got like, other complications with health/organs, which probably aren't even a big deal if you exercise, eat healthy, and center yourself!!..
You know, who needs a doctor anyways, like, I just liike, meditate and save everyone in my p-arth.. umm. or, I give them peace in death!!..
Ya know, like , why not get a new body... Like, if the world could just understand that I am it, and know the answers about all, things and quit with the psychiatry psychology, lies and what have you, maybe the world will be a better place, with much smarter people.
Like, a facade of what is really going on, masked by an illusion, oh an john lennon was killed a year ago today, just found that out. And arahz, jOHN lennon, mushroom possession, David soderberg!!!
hello, might be bigger than all things, oh, and Jerry garcia!@
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Re: So Obamacare. What to scrap, what to keep? [Re: Rhizohunter]
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In your case I don't think they're making you take drugs solely for the money...
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Re: So Obamacare. What to scrap, what to keep? [Re: SirShroomsAlott]
#23906985 - 12/08/16 01:36 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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It's all a matter of perspective brother.
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Re: So Obamacare. What to scrap, what to keep? [Re: PumpJackTeX]
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this is pretty much what I expect from doctors now
"Oh look a lump lets vaporize it and burn your organs from the outside now we're going to scoop it out well we got it and we took some healthy tissue just to make sure now we'll seal it up while you're internally bleeding!"
3 months later
the cancer is back!!!

and then a piece breaks off hits your heart and you die
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Re: So Obamacare. What to scrap, what to keep? [Re: hostileuniverse] 1
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hostileuniverse said: Okay she actulky looks like a monkey, so does a lot of white people, that's not racism, it's ridicule
Fuck libs are stupid
Gimme a break. You know what you're doing. You know comparing black people to monkeys is racist.
Is comparing Trump to an orangutan racist? Is making fun of him for the color of his skin "racist"?
Face it, you people cry racism every time someone criticizes a minority, sexism every time some criticizes a woman, etc etc
***pathetic
You're a racist. You know you are. Just own it already.
You compare black people to monkeys. That shit has been in the racist toolbox for hundreds of years. If you don't know that, you're an idiot. So, maybe you're not a racist. Maybe you're a idiot. Which one are you?
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Re: So Obamacare. What to scrap, what to keep? [Re: koods]
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hostileuniverse said: Okay she actulky looks like a monkey, so does a lot of white people, that's not racism, it's ridicule
Fuck libs are stupid
Gimme a break. You know what you're doing. You know comparing black people to monkeys is racist.
Is comparing Trump to an orangutan racist? Is making fun of him for the color of his skin "racist"?
Face it, you people cry racism every time someone criticizes a minority, sexism every time some criticizes a woman, etc etc
***pathetic
You're a racist. You know you are. Just own it already.
You compare black people to monkeys. That shit has been in the racist toolbox for hundreds of years. If you don't know that, you're an idiot. So, maybe you're not a racist. Maybe you're a idiot. Which one are you?
NIce dodge,
can you answer the questions or not?
***pretty sure you can without name calling, c'mon koods, you can do it!
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Re: So Obamacare. What to scrap, what to keep? [Re: koods]
#23907027 - 12/08/16 01:49 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Let's not focus on scraping health care here. We all know what we really need to do.
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Re: So Obamacare. What to scrap, what to keep? [Re: SirShroomsAlott]
#23907030 - 12/08/16 01:49 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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SirShroomsAlott said: In your case I don't think they're making you take drugs solely for the money...
I think, that might end with you in a night in jail after I talk with mister president about A person on shroomery.org who is telling me to go take medication that makes me want to kill myself!!
He, I think shroomery.org got attention enough from people telling them to take more drugs that make them sick!!
Oh boy, I might be here to redeem shroomery.org as a safe place, so, I wouldn't threaten me with painful suicidal medications ...
POh, and I COULD use a chill pill, yes
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Re: So Obamacare. What to scrap, what to keep? [Re: Patlal]
#23907051 - 12/08/16 01:57 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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$6k down to get coverage to start is shitty..... But better than nothing.
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Re: So Obamacare. What to scrap, what to keep? [Re: JonBongGroovy]
#23907067 - 12/08/16 02:03 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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I will rather have nothing.
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Re: So Obamacare. What to scrap, what to keep? [Re: JonBongGroovy]
#23907068 - 12/08/16 02:03 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Obamacareiosis
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Konyap

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Re: So Obamacare. What to scrap, what to keep? [Re: JonBongGroovy] 1
#23907071 - 12/08/16 02:04 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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the top 10-15% has like 90% of the wealth if we just tax them like 1-2% more it would be paid but obama like derp da der gotta tax all the skilled people no way that will piss them off I'm just a civil servant derpdy derr
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Re: So Obamacare. What to scrap, what to keep? [Re: PumpJackTeX]
#23907091 - 12/08/16 02:08 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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TexXx said: I will rather have nothing.
And stuck with a possible 20k-100k bill?
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Re: So Obamacare. What to scrap, what to keep? [Re: JonBongGroovy]
#23907102 - 12/08/16 02:11 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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TexXx said: I will rather have nothing.
And stuck with a possible 20k-100k bill?
Obama said people should just "take a pill" and go out quietly rather than rack up a bunch of medical bills
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Re: So Obamacare. What to scrap, what to keep? [Re: hostileuniverse]
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hostileuniverse said:
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TexXx said: I will rather have nothing.
And stuck with a possible 20k-100k bill?
Obama said people should just "take a pill" and go out quietly rather than rack up a bunch of medical bills
I am all for that actually, like, sign me up! not me personally, already did that a few times, already made the choice, but I just keep living.
NOW days though, it should be that if you want to die and go through the proper cycles for it, you should be a loud to pass on. Like,
Reincarnation and stuff, I mean, I will make believers out of all of you!! The time is coming, I know stuff about aliens and animals and consciousness and musyhrooms ad bselih aki stuff!
Like, Most people, like living though, ya know... but some don't
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Re: So Obamacare. What to scrap, what to keep? [Re: Rhizohunter]
#23907260 - 12/08/16 02:47 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Rhizohunter said:
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SirShroomsAlott said: In your case I don't think they're making you take drugs solely for the money...
I think, that might end with you in a night in jail after I talk with mister president about A person on shroomery.org who is telling me to go take medication that makes me want to kill myself!!
He, I think shroomery.org got attention enough from people telling them to take more drugs that make them sick!!
Oh boy, I might be here to redeem shroomery.org as a safe place, so, I wouldn't threaten me with painful suicidal medications ...
POh, and I COULD use a chill pill, yes
I never told you to take anything, I also didn't threaten you with anything. If anything you're just proving my point.
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Re: So Obamacare. What to scrap, what to keep? [Re: SirShroomsAlott]
#23907289 - 12/08/16 02:55 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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SirShroomsAlott said:
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Rhizohunter said:
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SirShroomsAlott said: In your case I don't think they're making you take drugs solely for the money...
I think, that might end with you in a night in jail after I talk with mister president about A person on shroomery.org who is telling me to go take medication that makes me want to kill myself!!
He, I think shroomery.org got attention enough from people telling them to take more drugs that make them sick!!
Oh boy, I might be here to redeem shroomery.org as a safe place, so, I wouldn't threaten me with painful suicidal medications ...
POh, and I COULD use a chill pill, yes
I never told you to take anything, I also didn't threaten you with anything. If anything you're just proving my point.
Well, actually, perspective, reality, it is like that big, oh boy oh boy, well, that is what I am talking about man...!!
Like, if you can figure out what just happened there, then you will know !! like, the big picture of words, thoughts, mutation, keyboard, allah, well..
It's complicated, I am trying to preach the big picture, but it is so hard for everyone to comprehend because of this shit!
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Re: So Obamacare. What to scrap, what to keep? [Re: JonBongGroovy]
#23908012 - 12/08/16 06:30 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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GetFuckingWierd said:
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TexXx said: I will rather have nothing.
And stuck with a possible 20k-100k bill?
No. I qualify for Medicaid being a single parent.
You will pay it
Thanks Obama!
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Re: So Obamacare. What to scrap, what to keep? [Re: PumpJackTeX]
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TexXx said:
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TexXx said: I will rather have nothing.
And stuck with a possible 20k-100k bill?
No. I qualify for Medicaid being a single parent.
You will pay it
Thanks Obama!
I won't pay for anything
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Re: So Obamacare. What to scrap, what to keep? [Re: JonBongGroovy]
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TexXx said:
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GetFuckingWierd said:
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TexXx said: I will rather have nothing.
And stuck with a possible 20k-100k bill?
No. I qualify for Medicaid being a single parent.
You will pay it
Thanks Obama!
I won't pay for anything
You will. You have no choice. They can lock you up for not paying. You will finance this single parent and any of your objections don't matter. That's the reality of the country you live in. There is absolutely nothing you could possibly do right now that could change this.
You are now forced to be the bitch. Owned up to it.
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Re: So Obamacare. What to scrap, what to keep? [Re: Patlal]
#23908074 - 12/08/16 06:46 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Nahhhhhh
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Re: So Obamacare. What to scrap, what to keep? [Re: JonBongGroovy]
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akira_akuma
Φύσις κρύπτεσθαι ὕψιστος φιλεῖ


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Re: So Obamacare. What to scrap, what to keep? [Re: ohcrapitsnico]
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ohcrapitsnico said: Scrap obamacare. Scrap insurance companies. Bring in single payer and reign in healthcare costs. We spend nearly double on healthcare per person than the next most expensive country yet have some of the worst health outcomes, lowest life expectancy, and highest rate of medical errors among economically advanced nations. Healthcare costs will continue to spiral out of control as long as you have insurance companies, hospitals, physicians, and pharmaceutical companies bilking as much profit out of patients and the government as they can.
but the US needs jobs. can't have people milling about, there'll be chaos. ever seen Thunderdome?
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Konyap said: Lies
LOL
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hostileuniverse said: Wow, really makes me wonder why rich people from all over the world come here for healthcare,
must be believing all them right wing lies 
no, it's because people like you keep yapping, and idiots fall in line, because they are morons.
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^ has no experience in the medical field whatsoever.
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koods said: Did you look at what ohcrapitsnico (someone who actually works in healthcare) posted about the US healthcare system?
The lies and BS, yep I seen it

enjoying big brother's shwang? keep yapping ministry bullshit.
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hostileuniverse said: Lots of accusations flying here, yet no proof 
***youre just a crazy communist 
is that supposed to be clever? doing the same thing you always do?
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TexXx said: Fuck the insurance company & fuck the doctors. THEY don't give a flying fuck about you or your health. They want your fucking money.
ding ding ding ding ding
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hostileuniverse said: Is comparing Trump to an orangutan racist? Is making fun of him for the color of his skin "racist"?
Face it, you people cry racism every time someone criticizes a minority, sexism every time some criticizes a woman, etc etc
***pathetic
racism isn't even real. it's a conspiracy. all racism is ridicule, and not actually racism.

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hostileuniverse said: Okay she actulky looks like a monkey, so does a lot of white people, that's not racism, it's ridicule
Fuck libs are stupid
oh and look...insults. thought you were above that. but nah...you're full of dogshit, so....
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hostileuniverse said:
NIce dodge,
can you answer the questions or not?
***pretty sure you can without name calling, c'mon koods, you can do it!
you just called him stupid... you fucking gormless hypocrite.
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TexXx said: Let's not focus on scraping health care here. We all know what we really need to do.
scrap healthcare. America needs a reboot.
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Re: So Obamacare. What to scrap, what to keep? [Re: akira_akuma]
#23908258 - 12/08/16 07:51 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Konyap said: it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that out they get sued so they cut cost by hiring less people and make them work 12-16 hour a day they're fucking nuts I don't care how easy it is
^ has no experience in the medical field whatsoever.
uhm dude that's tottally for real they take naps at the hospital even 9/11 callers get that shit and they're paid min wage
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akira_akuma
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Re: So Obamacare. What to scrap, what to keep? [Re: Konyap]
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you ever wonder, oh i dunno...WHY?
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Prisoner#1
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Re: So Obamacare. What to scrap, what to keep? [Re: ohcrapitsnico]
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ohcrapitsnico said: We spend nearly double on healthcare per person than the next most expensive country

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ohcrapitsnico said: Healthcare costs will continue to spiral out of control as long as you have insurance companies, hospitals, physicians, and pharmaceutical companies bilking as much profit out of patients and the government as they can.


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ohcrapitsnico said: lowest life expectancy among economically advanced nations.

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ohcrapitsnico said: highest rate of medical errors among economically advanced nations.


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ohcrapitsnico said: some of the worst health outcomes among economically advanced nations.

the false claims is that it's profit driven that cause the problem
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Re: So Obamacare. What to scrap, what to keep? [Re: PumpJackTeX]
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TexXx said:
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GetFuckingWierd said:
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TexXx said: I will rather have nothing.
And stuck with a possible 20k-100k bill?
No. I qualify for Medicaid being a single parent.
You will pay it
Thanks Obama!
you may be in for a rude awakening, a couple actually. I'm a single parent, I dont qualify for shit and I dont earn enough to pay for the shit. #stuckinthemiddle
also, if you use medicaid, you will be paying for it, in fact you pay for it through your taxes, you then pay for it after your death, they'll seize all your assets and sell off enough to recoup any losses over what you had paid in
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Re: So Obamacare. What to scrap, what to keep? [Re: Prisoner#1]
#23908799 - 12/08/16 11:12 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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They can't take what I don't have.
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PumpJackTeX
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Re: So Obamacare. What to scrap, what to keep? [Re: PumpJackTeX]
#23908807 - 12/08/16 11:14 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Don't hate the player hate the game.
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Re: So Obamacare. What to scrap, what to keep? [Re: PumpJackTeX]
#23908845 - 12/08/16 11:30 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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TexXx said: They can't take what I don't have.
you may not have it now but if you ever want a comfortable life you'll have to acquire things
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twighead
mͯó



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Re: So Obamacare. What to scrap, what to keep? [Re: Prisoner#1] 1
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TexXx said: They can't take what I don't have.
you may not have it now but if you ever want a comfortable life you'll have to acquire things
That's not true
This guy hardly has any things and he's LOVING IT
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Re: So Obamacare. What to scrap, what to keep? [Re: twighead]
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All I know is I live in a socialist state. My Washington health care apparently doesn't work there. Cost me a grand that I'll never pay. Puking up blood is never fun. I don't care to do it again.
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Re: So Obamacare. What to scrap, what to keep? [Re: Prisoner#1] 2
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TexXx said: I will rather have nothing.
And stuck with a possible 20k-100k bill?
No. I qualify for Medicaid being a single parent.
You will pay it
Thanks Obama!
you may be in for a rude awakening, a couple actually. I'm a single parent, I dont qualify for shit and I dont earn enough to pay for the shit. #stuckinthemiddle
also, if you use medicaid, you will be paying for it, in fact you pay for it through your taxes, you then pay for it after your death, they'll seize all your assets and sell off enough to recoup any losses over what you had paid in
That's because you live in a state that rejected the Medicaid expansion portion of Obamacare. Don't blame Obamacare for the decisions of your republican governor and legislature.
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Re: So Obamacare. What to scrap, what to keep? [Re: koods]
#23909302 - 12/09/16 07:04 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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obama care was designed to destroy healthcare to usher in single payer, unless it's repealed, single payer is the next step. Luckily, we are safe for another couple years
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Re: So Obamacare. What to scrap, what to keep? [Re: koods]
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you may be in for a rude awakening, a couple actually. I'm a single parent, I dont qualify for shit and I dont earn enough to pay for the shit. #stuckinthemiddle
also, if you use medicaid, you will be paying for it, in fact you pay for it through your taxes, you then pay for it after your death, they'll seize all your assets and sell off enough to recoup any losses over what you had paid in
That's because you live in a state that rejected the Medicaid expansion portion of Obamacare. Don't blame Obamacare for the decisions of your republican governor and legislature.
hahahaha... wrong
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Re: So Obamacare. What to scrap, what to keep? [Re: Prisoner#1] 1
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I have more money now. There is nothing I want to buy. I spend time with my kid instead of working to buy a bigger house,car, or toys.
I have made close to $100,000/yr in Midland TX and hated my life.
Keep up the hard work!
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