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Patlal
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So Obamacare. What to scrap, what to keep?
#23904205 - 12/07/16 04:30 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Trump's gonna keep parts of it and replace the rest.
What would you like to see scraped and what would you like to see kept?
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goldcaphunter
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Re: So Obamacare. What to scrap, what to keep? [Re: Patlal]
#23904245 - 12/07/16 04:40 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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The Obama part, keep the care  But for real I had nothing against the original outline.
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Re: So Obamacare. What to scrap, what to keep? [Re: goldcaphunter] 2
#23904300 - 12/07/16 05:03 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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We need to scrap about 99% of the 33,000 pages that is the ACA.
For starters, write a bill that congress can actually read before they vote on it.
Two, write a bill that has bipartisan support. Not 1 single Republican voted for the ACA.
We have to remove the mandate. I don't buy into the argument that you can't have the provisions for 26 year old and pre-existing conditions without it the mandate. I think that's a bogus argument. We went from a country that used antiquated technology to win both world wars and put men on the moon, to a country where we can't figure how to provide coverage for all AND not penalize people that choose to live without it.
There is no logical argument that says health care shouldn't be bought and sold across state boarders. This rule isn't applied to 99% of other regulated goods sold, or with other types of insurance. Its shouldn't be so with healthcare.
The deductibles and premiums have to be significantly lower BEFORE taking subsidies into the account.
We need to provide real healthcare that gives incentives back to the doctors and patients, not the insurance companies, middle men, and drug companies. As to what incentives these should be, I don't know. But I do know that doctors go through a hell of a lot of school only to live in constant fear of being sued for malpractice or a mistake. I know real good dr's that aren't just drug pushers are hard to find.
We need the government to not artificially regulate the cost of healthcare because prices are being defined by what medicare and medicaid will pay. I have clients in the healthcare industry (many of them), and they want to sell stuff for less. But there is a set price on many things if you want to accident medicare and medicaid patients to play by the government rules. These rules are suppose to ensure companies don't overcharge for goods and services. But instead it actually hurts the companies and service provides and patients, only to help insurance companies.
We we have a government that has no accountability or leadership that isn't corrupted by lobbyists, we can't rely on additional regulation to get the job done. We have to give the power back to the free market under new rules and less regulation.
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Webster10
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Re: So Obamacare. What to scrap, what to keep? [Re: daytripper05] 1
#23904384 - 12/07/16 05:35 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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The mandate is just retarded and it makes no sense why we can't purchase healthcare across state lines.
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Re: So Obamacare. What to scrap, what to keep? [Re: daytripper05]
#23904388 - 12/07/16 05:36 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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People that don't have coverage don't pay their bills. That's the reason behind a small penalty compared to not paying bills.
Lot's of people that OD or go to the funny farm have zero coverage. These are also the people that should be protected through medicare.
I think more jobs should have medical coverage. Lot's of employers who suck millions if not billions from the economy cheat. They cheat by not giving full time jobs that must pay benefits.
I don't know what else should be law. It seems some of the costs of prescriptions could be cut back if the Government did more medical research themselves.
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Patlal
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Re: So Obamacare. What to scrap, what to keep? [Re: daytripper05]
#23904415 - 12/07/16 05:44 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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daytripper05 said: We need to scrap about 99% of the 33,000 pages that is the ACA.
For starters, write a bill that congress can actually read before they vote on it.
Two, write a bill that has bipartisan support. Not 1 single Republican voted for the ACA.
We have to remove the mandate. I don't buy into the argument that you can't have the provisions for 26 year old and pre-existing conditions without it the mandate. I think that's a bogus argument. We went from a country that used antiquated technology to win both world wars and put men on the moon, to a country where we can't figure how to provide coverage for all AND not penalize people that choose to live without it.
There is no logical argument that says health care shouldn't be bought and sold across state boarders. This rule isn't applied to 99% of other regulated goods sold, or with other types of insurance. Its shouldn't be so with healthcare.
The deductibles and premiums have to be significantly lower BEFORE taking subsidies into the account.
We need to provide real healthcare that gives incentives back to the doctors and patients, not the insurance companies, middle men, and drug companies. As to what incentives these should be, I don't know. But I do know that doctors go through a hell of a lot of school only to live in constant fear of being sued for malpractice or a mistake. I know real good dr's that aren't just drug pushers are hard to find.
We need the government to not artificially regulate the cost of healthcare because prices are being defined by what medicare and medicaid will pay. I have clients in the healthcare industry (many of them), and they want to sell stuff for less. But there is a set price on many things if you want to accident medicare and medicaid patients to play by the government rules. These rules are suppose to ensure companies don't overcharge for goods and services. But instead it actually hurts the companies and service provides and patients, only to help insurance companies.
We we have a government that has no accountability or leadership that isn't corrupted by lobbyists, we can't rely on additional regulation to get the job done. We have to give the power back to the free market under new rules and less regulation.
I'm not sure if all you just said is real. But it looks really believable. So yeah, what you said...
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Re: So Obamacare. What to scrap, what to keep? [Re: Patlal] 1
#23904434 - 12/07/16 05:51 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Scrap obamacare. Scrap insurance companies. Bring in single payer and reign in healthcare costs. We spend nearly double on healthcare per person than the next most expensive country yet have some of the worst health outcomes, lowest life expectancy, and highest rate of medical errors among economically advanced nations. Healthcare costs will continue to spiral out of control as long as you have insurance companies, hospitals, physicians, and pharmaceutical companies bilking as much profit out of patients and the government as they can.
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Re: So Obamacare. What to scrap, what to keep? [Re: ohcrapitsnico]
#23904440 - 12/07/16 05:53 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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It's like this animal hospital down the road. My dog had a UTI (Urinary Tract Infection). I freaked out because he was hurting. So I took him to the closest place, right across the street. It's a mega place, million dollar building easily. 10,000 square feet. So I'm thinking whatever, pay what it costs. They make me sign a paper and the bill was over $400 for a visit that would only be $89 at our normal vet.
Bigger and flashier isn't always better. Unless it's your dick!
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Konyap

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Re: So Obamacare. What to scrap, what to keep? [Re: Morel Guy]
#23904465 - 12/07/16 06:01 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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dogs get better coverage because they don't sue
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Morel Guy
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Re: So Obamacare. What to scrap, what to keep? [Re: Konyap]
#23904485 - 12/07/16 06:07 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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That is not the point I made at all. Yes you can sue a vet.
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Re: So Obamacare. What to scrap, what to keep? [Re: ohcrapitsnico] 1
#23906166 - 12/08/16 09:33 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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ohcrapitsnico said: Scrap obamacare. Scrap insurance companies. Bring in single payer and reign in healthcare costs. We spend nearly double on healthcare per person than the next most expensive country yet have some of the worst health outcomes, lowest life expectancy, and highest rate of medical errors among economically advanced nations. Healthcare costs will continue to spiral out of control as long as you have insurance companies, hospitals, physicians, and pharmaceutical companies bilking as much profit out of patients and the government as they can.
false claims much?
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daytripper05
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Re: So Obamacare. What to scrap, what to keep? [Re: Prisoner#1]
#23906174 - 12/08/16 09:35 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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I like how he thinks physicians are part of the Obamacare problem.
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hostileuniverse
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Re: So Obamacare. What to scrap, what to keep? [Re: daytripper05]
#23906197 - 12/08/16 09:49 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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daytripper05 said: I like how he thinks physicians are part of the Obamacare problem.
Obama said they cut off limbs just to make a few bucks
***it must be true
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ohcrapitsnico
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Re: So Obamacare. What to scrap, what to keep? [Re: ohcrapitsnico]
#23906522 - 12/08/16 11:32 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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ohcrapitsnico said: We spend nearly double on healthcare per person than the next most expensive country

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ohcrapitsnico said: Healthcare costs will continue to spiral out of control as long as you have insurance companies, hospitals, physicians, and pharmaceutical companies bilking as much profit out of patients and the government as they can.


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ohcrapitsnico said: lowest life expectancy among economically advanced nations.

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ohcrapitsnico said: highest rate of medical errors among economically advanced nations.


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ohcrapitsnico said: some of the worst health outcomes among economically advanced nations.
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Re: So Obamacare. What to scrap, what to keep? [Re: ohcrapitsnico]
#23906531 - 12/08/16 11:34 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Prisoner#1 said:
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ohcrapitsnico said: Scrap obamacare. Scrap insurance companies. Bring in single payer and reign in healthcare costs. We spend nearly double on healthcare per person than the next most expensive country yet have some of the worst health outcomes, lowest life expectancy, and highest rate of medical errors among economically advanced nations. Healthcare costs will continue to spiral out of control as long as you have insurance companies, hospitals, physicians, and pharmaceutical companies bilking as much profit out of patients and the government as they can.
false claims much?
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ohcrapitsnico said: We spend nearly double on healthcare per person than the next most expensive country

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ohcrapitsnico said: Healthcare costs will continue to spiral out of control as long as you have insurance companies, hospitals, physicians, and pharmaceutical companies bilking as much profit out of patients and the government as they can.


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ohcrapitsnico said: lowest life expectancy among economically advanced nations.

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ohcrapitsnico said: highest rate of medical errors among economically advanced nations.


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ohcrapitsnico said: some of the worst health outcomes among economically advanced nations.

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Re: So Obamacare. What to scrap, what to keep? [Re: ohcrapitsnico] 1
#23906772 - 12/08/16 12:31 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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ohcrapitsnico said:
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ohcrapitsnico said: We spend nearly double on healthcare per person than the next most expensive country

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ohcrapitsnico said: Healthcare costs will continue to spiral out of control as long as you have insurance companies, hospitals, physicians, and pharmaceutical companies bilking as much profit out of patients and the government as they can.


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ohcrapitsnico said: lowest life expectancy among economically advanced nations.

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ohcrapitsnico said: highest rate of medical errors among economically advanced nations.


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ohcrapitsnico said: some of the worst health outcomes among economically advanced nations.

What do you know about healthcare besides working in the industry for years and being in med school?
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Konyap

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Re: So Obamacare. What to scrap, what to keep? [Re: Supachopped719]
#23906794 - 12/08/16 12:35 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Lies
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hostileuniverse
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Re: So Obamacare. What to scrap, what to keep? [Re: koods]
#23906801 - 12/08/16 12:36 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Wow, really makes me wonder why rich people from all over the world come here for healthcare,
must be believing all them right wing lies
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Konyap

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Re: So Obamacare. What to scrap, what to keep? [Re: hostileuniverse]
#23906813 - 12/08/16 12:37 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that out they get sued so they cut cost by hiring less people and make them work 12-16 hour a day they're fucking nuts I don't care how easy it is
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Rhizohunter
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Re: So Obamacare. What to scrap, what to keep? [Re: Konyap]
#23906815 - 12/08/16 12:38 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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I'm just like, not applying for medicaid and telling insurance to go fuck themselves. I will pay the 7000 dolars bullshit that they throw at me.
Ya kjnow, fuck obama care, oh boy here comes my kitty..
seriously, maybe obama care and doctors are fucking this country up. Maybe we mneed less doctors, and more intelligent people on board..!!
Right, like, I am wokring on it..!! gonna help you all out! Just wait, and see. Trump is the president now, and I support him!! Mr. President!!
You know, they were aware of me a while ago, and my computer has already shut down on me a few times, but I just keep going. and coming back!!
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