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Re: Why isn't there a stronger female presence here? [Re: qman] * 3
    #23903969 - 12/07/16 03:37 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

It's not segregation.  It's a special interest forum with an emphasis on social equality and surrounding issues.  I don't see how that can be compared to the racial segregation so loved by your type.

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Re: Why isn't there a stronger female presence here? [Re: CookieCrumbs]
    #23903981 - 12/07/16 03:41 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Well I mean if you guys want to keep limiting diversity by being afraid to ruffle the feathers of people that make such people leave or not participate at all because of legitimate fear they'll be attacked by the sort of people you're worried about offending now...


Hey this is exactly what I was talking about. "why do they get a special place? poor me I don't get a special place."


I actually suggested the idea because it would be more inclusive...


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Re: Why isn't there a stronger female presence here? [Re: CookieCrumbs]
    #23904021 - 12/07/16 03:48 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

In some ways it kind of feels like a pipe dream.  I mean I just don't see how to avoid having every discussion overrun by people insisting that people seeking to uplift and encourage rights of the disenfranchised is actually oppression.  Like when you have a conversation about racism here, it's just nonstop, "Well you're just racist against white people," and any time you try to talk about women it's all, "yeah but that's not true, what about custody settlements?!?!".  I'd be willing to give it a go, because I thrive on antagonism, but it's not about me and I'm not really sure that would suit the cause in the end.

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Re: Why isn't there a stronger female presence here? [Re: CookieCrumbs]
    #23904027 - 12/07/16 03:50 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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^ I like alot of these. Far better than anything that popped in my head. The research zoo title too :lol:

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Ideally i think we shouldnt need forums for lgbtq or for different races/ethnic groups.

You would think that people who are recreational drug users/supporters and members of counter culture would understand certain things like being part of a minority that lives outside the norm. Or knows what its like to be put down/not accepted by society.

This community should ideally acknowledge that we all here share these similarities and we should treat all people with respect, making it a safe place for everyone...




I don't think anything ever works ideally when talking about societies. Most of these topics have not been treated "ideally" in the pub.
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Ideally i think we shouldnt need forums for lgbtq or for different races/ethnic groups.

You would think that people who are recreational drug users/supporters and members of counter culture would understand certain things like being part of a minority that lives outside the norm. Or knows what its like to be put down/not accepted by society.

This community should ideally acknowledge that we all here share these similarities and we should treat all people with respect, making it a safe place for everyone...




You have to realize, it's now liberals that are calling for segregation of all types, let them have it.

They'll have to remember, it works BOTH ways.  :rofl2:




Lets see... How many times have we had a thread about transgender women without people calling them mentally ill and misgendering?




Slandering people isn't nice, but open free discussion take precedent over manners.

I've been called all sorts of -isms by some based on their "gut feelings" about me, I deal with it just fine.

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Re: Why isn't there a stronger female presence here? [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #23904038 - 12/07/16 03:52 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Strict rules and moderation. Or at least stricter. It's already been approved in the ladies forum.


I've seen other message boards clean up pretty well by just... Cleaning up. Bans all around.


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Re: Why isn't there a stronger female presence here? [Re: CookieCrumbs] * 1
    #23904042 - 12/07/16 03:52 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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^ I like alot of these. Far better than anything that popped in my head. The research zoo title too :lol:

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Ideally i think we shouldnt need forums for lgbtq or for different races/ethnic groups.

You would think that people who are recreational drug users/supporters and members of counter culture would understand certain things like being part of a minority that lives outside the norm. Or knows what its like to be put down/not accepted by society.

This community should ideally acknowledge that we all here share these similarities and we should treat all people with respect, making it a safe place for everyone...




I don't think anything ever works ideally when talking about societies. Most of these topics have not been treated "ideally" in the pub.
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Ideally i think we shouldnt need forums for lgbtq or for different races/ethnic groups.

You would think that people who are recreational drug users/supporters and members of counter culture would understand certain things like being part of a minority that lives outside the norm. Or knows what its like to be put down/not accepted by society.

This community should ideally acknowledge that we all here share these similarities and we should treat all people with respect, making it a safe place for everyone...




You have to realize, it's now liberals that are calling for segregation of all types, let them have it.

They'll have to remember, it works BOTH ways.  :rofl2:




Lets see... How many times have we had a thread about transgender women without people calling them mentally ill and misgendering?



First off qman is right, liberals do seem to love segregation.

In response to you Mr. Cookiecrumbs if that is your real name..Why durring a typical conversation/post would your ethnicity, race, sexual preference or gender you associate with be important? Fact is that generally those things arent too important most of the time.

I mean its all text on a screen, we are all essentially/initially blind of one another til we share.

Also i think these forums would generate threads in different other forums by asshats feeling it necessary to ridicule people based on their posts. Not to mention trolling.

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Re: Why isn't there a stronger female presence here? [Re: CookieCrumbs]
    #23904059 - 12/07/16 03:54 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Well I mean if you guys want to keep limiting diversity by being afraid to ruffle the feathers of people that make such people leave or not participate at all because of legitimate fear they'll be attacked by the sort of people you're worried about offending now...


Hey this is exactly what I was talking about. "why do they get a special place? poor me I don't get a special place."


I actually suggested the idea because it would be more inclusive...




The Pub is inclusive for all, isn't that the ultimate goal?  But if you want a special place to have a circle jerk, then by all means make it.

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Re: Why isn't there a stronger female presence here? [Re: qman]
    #23904063 - 12/07/16 03:55 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

And that's obviously fine and good for you but you and your feelings and feelings on how others should feel doesn't account for others.


There is reasonable and then there is unreasonable. If it were up to me to make all the rules the entire tone of the pub would be different. It was once alot less "trashy" as everyone claims it is now and way more chill.

You don't get to cry foul after making the foul.


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Re: Why isn't there a stronger female presence here? [Re: Mush 4 Brains]
    #23904085 - 12/07/16 04:00 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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CookieCrumbs said:
^ I like alot of these. Far better than anything that popped in my head. The research zoo title too :lol:

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Mush 4 Brains said:
Ideally i think we shouldnt need forums for lgbtq or for different races/ethnic groups.

You would think that people who are recreational drug users/supporters and members of counter culture would understand certain things like being part of a minority that lives outside the norm. Or knows what its like to be put down/not accepted by society.

This community should ideally acknowledge that we all here share these similarities and we should treat all people with respect, making it a safe place for everyone...




I don't think anything ever works ideally when talking about societies. Most of these topics have not been treated "ideally" in the pub.
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Mush 4 Brains said:
Ideally i think we shouldnt need forums for lgbtq or for different races/ethnic groups.

You would think that people who are recreational drug users/supporters and members of counter culture would understand certain things like being part of a minority that lives outside the norm. Or knows what its like to be put down/not accepted by society.

This community should ideally acknowledge that we all here share these similarities and we should treat all people with respect, making it a safe place for everyone...




You have to realize, it's now liberals that are calling for segregation of all types, let them have it.

They'll have to remember, it works BOTH ways.  :rofl2:




Lets see... How many times have we had a thread about transgender women without people calling them mentally ill and misgendering?



First off qman is right, liberals do seem to love segregation.

In response to you Mr. Cookiecrumbs if that is your real name..Why durring a typical conversation/post would your ethnicity, race, sexual preference or gender you associate with be important? Fact is that generally those things arent too important most of the time.

I mean its all text on a screen, we are all essentially/initially blind of one another til we share.

Also i think these forums would generate threads in different other forums by asshats feeling it necessary to ridicule people based on their posts. Not to mention trolling.




I've always acknowledged that there is an excessive liberal narrative and it largely disgusts me. I don't support segregation. I'm not saying "all trans threads should be moved to this forum." I'm saying that trans people should have a place to discuss their issues and vent out their problems, just like the rest of us do, without being attacked. Which is what happens in the pub.


And on another note I'd ideally like for people who have english as a second language a place to either come talk in their native language or at least post without people being assholes over their grammar or spelling.


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Re: Why isn't there a stronger female presence here? [Re: CookieCrumbs] * 1
    #23904091 - 12/07/16 04:03 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Yeah there was a time when the shroomery was shroomy.

I'm not even saying that ideas should go unchallenged, just a higher standard of respect and tolerance for people's differences.

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Re: Why isn't there a stronger female presence here? [Re: Mush 4 Brains] * 3
    #23904106 - 12/07/16 04:07 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Ideally i think we shouldnt need forums for lgbtq or for different races/ethnic groups.

You would think that people who are recreational drug users/supporters and members of counter culture would understand certain things like being part of a minority that lives outside the norm. Or knows what its like to be put down/not accepted by society.

This community should ideally acknowledge that we all here share these similarities and we should treat all people with respect, making it a safe place for everyone...





Ideally, yes.

But that is unfortunately not the Shroomery we inhabit.


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Re: Why isn't there a stronger female presence here? [Re: yogabunny]
    #23904144 - 12/07/16 04:15 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Maybe it will help to think about it as a forum for celebrating what we all have in common, rather than focusing on the fact that this will benefit people who feel oppressed in some way.

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Re: Why isn't there a stronger female presence here? [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #23904153 - 12/07/16 04:17 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

The unshroomy are slowly dying off, we're killing them with kindness and understanding. The rest are just berated.

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Re: Why isn't there a stronger female presence here? [Re: larry.fisherman]
    #23904167 - 12/07/16 04:22 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I'm predicting more females.


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Re: Why isn't there a stronger female presence here? [Re: larry.fisherman] * 1
    #23904173 - 12/07/16 04:23 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

But man does one slighted anti-cause crusader make alot of noise.  It's pretty ironic actually, that they are what they claim to hate most.

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Re: Why isn't there a stronger female presence here? [Re: moonrockmushy] * 1
    #23904176 - 12/07/16 04:23 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Maybe it will help to think about it as a forum for celebrating what we all have in common, rather than focusing on the fact that this will benefit people who feel oppressed in some way.





I'd rather hang out in a gay bar

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Re: Why isn't there a stronger female presence here? [Re: Mush 4 Brains] * 1
    #23904188 - 12/07/16 04:26 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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In some ways it kind of feels like a pipe dream.  I mean I just don't see how to avoid having every discussion overrun by people insisting that people seeking to uplift and encourage rights of the disenfranchised is actually oppression.  Like when you have a conversation about racism here, it's just nonstop, "Well you're just racist against white people," and any time you try to talk about women it's all, "yeah but that's not true, what about custody settlements?!?!".  I'd be willing to give it a go, because I thrive on antagonism, but it's not about me and I'm not really sure that would suit the cause in the end.




Any claim of "fuck you white America" is racism unless directed at white males. Since a Trump landslide election victory, it has shutdown a lot of the pc victim nonsense. America has spoken. It has been played the fuck out. Crying wolf in the form of sexist, misogyny, and or racism has lost meaning. Fuck not given. It is a shame. Even when I hear false accusations of abuse or rape, I don't think poor victim. I think "here w
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I don't want to debate but, like I pointed out again and again, there is a contradiction in society, the narratives suggested, and in social conditioning when the facts are otherwise.

The 80% of women rate men lower average. The absurd divorce rate, similar proportion of which initiated by women, false rape and abuse accusations. This is gross and disgusting female behavior that is never called out even by women with few exceptions (Christina Hoff Sommers and Helen Smith link above on this pg).

I post reason, logic, and evidence. I get ban hammer lol

There is a thread about FUCKING EGG FREEZING. Rather than acknowledge female egomania and choosing a alternative lifestyle, people willing choose to suffer, and continue. This is people's lives.

It is fucking sexist to pat women on the head and feed them bullshit lies. The reality is that, a lot of women are just running through the top percentile of the male population as booty call. Kids only comes into the equation once seeking meaning for something more. Its not about kids resonate but rather, the dating world is no longer providing validation anymore or not the same quality once acquired.

Dude, this is suffering. Can do not wrong. The classic social media tangents about girl power and all the posturing nonsense followed by victimhood and crying once Trump won.

I don't know what the solution is but, I usually bail once I see female crazy.





You're making some very powerful and truthful posts that speak to the general modern society and its ills. I don't necessarily disagree with your general commentary at all.

It hits hard. It hits deep. Maybe too hard.

That being said, you and Crystal G seem to be having a personal go at each other.
You can speak generally and make your point which will stand on its own support.
Things get ugly when you try to get specific and personal and not know the full story about someone. This goes for both you and Crystal G.

You're making some very deep points. She has highlighted some as well. No need to name call or dig into each other. She seems to have explained her actions well about the egg freezing thread. That being said, you have a solid point about the general circumstances that result in women going down that avenue. Still, always listen to a specific person if they provide you clarity and detail as to why they ended up down a certain road. You may be generally correct and I don't disagree wit you here. But you could be making a wild error when applying that to a specific person.




No doubt.

I do get up in arms when I hear some of the absolute nonsense directed toward 1. white males or 2. demonization of all that is masculinity. The rant following a divorce is never, "he is a good man. we tried and it didn't workout." It is always some nonsense about how little money she gets and some other nonsense.

Inserted was text chatter. A usual common shot fired at dudes calling out the madness is, "well, you don't get girls so, you are butt hurt." The fuck boys get the majority of girls. In most situations, it is a cycle, father figure MIA, likely unleashed the dogs of the state, and or dude just wasn't a good man. There is again a sense of self ownership here. If a woman fucks up my life, nobody will mourn me.


It was a woman that brought me into this world. My best friend is a woman. I love femininity. It is what reaches me. What is so off putting is all the space space rubbish, the need for puppies and blankets on college campuses. The fallout on dudes in the workplace if someone makes up a false accusation. It is utter madness.

I have had the great fortune of meeting some really incredible women in my life. Without exception, tragedy was in their life, and instead of clinging to victim identity it brought out character. It is a bit of a mind fuck but, you see the same analogy in super heroes. Batman - lost parents. Superman - alien who lost everything. Spider-Man - lost his uncle ben/father figure. The same is in qualities in great men and women.
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Basic bitch type of man? And now the cat throwing and egg freezing thread is explained lol.




Nobody said anything about "cat throwing" except you. And I'm allergic to cats, so your point is invalid.






Not far off lol
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Asante this is proof we need a Shroomery endorsed LGBT forum.



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Asante this is proof we need a Shroomery endorsed LGBT forum.




Segregation isn't the answer brahh
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Ideally i think we shouldnt need forums for lgbtq or for different races/ethnic groups.

You would think that people who are recreational drug users/supporters and members of counter culture would understand certain things like being part of a minority that lives outside the norm. Or knows what its like to be put down/not accepted by society.

This community should ideally acknowledge that we all here share these similarities and we should treat all people with respect, making it a safe place for everyone...




Again, I don't think segregation is the answer. As noted in America, it is described as a melting pot but, in reality, a lot of people do not integrate.

I believe there is a pretty significant female proportion here. A miniscule amount in contrast to males but, that is just dependent upon interests and lifestyle.


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Re: Why isn't there a stronger female presence here? [Re: yogabunny]
    #23904194 - 12/07/16 04:28 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Maybe it will help to think about it as a forum for celebrating what we all have in common, rather than focusing on the fact that this will benefit people who feel oppressed in some way.





I'd rather hang out in a gay bar

:shrug:




I would rather hangout in a woman's only bar.


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Re: Why isn't there a stronger female presence here? [Re: finalexplosion]
    #23904206 - 12/07/16 04:30 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I'd rather pray in a gay church, but sometimes we've got to go unto the heathens and spread the gay word.

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Re: Why isn't there a stronger female presence here? [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #23904214 - 12/07/16 04:32 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Maybe it will help to think about it as a forum for celebrating what we all have in common, rather than focusing on the fact that this will benefit people who feel oppressed in some way.




Now that sounds like a pipe dream.
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I'd rather pray in a gay church, but sometimes we've got to go unto the heathens and spread the gay word.




I think ancient Greece was full of gay churches. Many bulging manly muscles slathered in oil and phallic imagery.


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