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The Value of Religious Texts (or lack thereof) * 1
    #23903808 - 12/07/16 03:02 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Let me start by saying that i am far from a religious scholar.  I haven't even made a thorough examination of the religious text I was raised with (the bible). 

In the last few years, i have started to read through it, and i find it fascinating, especially the differences between translations.  Disregarding the believing in god stuff, its an interesting story, and a decent early attempt at a historical record.  Some interesting things i have noticed:

In the early part of the old testament (genesis-leviticus), while god is quoted several times as saying something along the lines of "don't worship other gods", god is never actually quoted as saying "there are no other gods".

The language used in the "complete jewish bible" in the very beginning of Genesis seems to imply an understanding of "space" as something beyond the sky, as well as perhaps an understanding of weightlessness.

In many english translations you will see "god" or "the lord", but if you check out the translations from hebrew versions, you'll see multiple specific names for god.

Old testament god is a self admitted, jealous and egotistical jerk.

In the exodus story,  right before the isrealites escape from egypt, god puts the egyptians to sleep and tells the isrealites to steal all the gold before they head off into the desert.  (I lol'd).

Anyway, i think that the bible is an interesting story, contains a reasonable amount of history as the authors understood it, and has some good lessons to teach along with some good advice to give, whether you believe the god stuff or not.
The same is probably true to some greater or lesser extent with other religious texts IMO.  What do you guys think?
What do you think about religious texts?
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Re: The Value of Religious Texts (or lack thereof) [Re: ballsalsa]
    #23903821 - 12/07/16 03:06 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: The Value of Religious Texts (or lack thereof) [Re: Mandarinfish] * 1
    #23903832 - 12/07/16 03:09 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

The bible in all it's versions is psychology.  There wasn't science back then so people had to explain what appeared to have meaning.

The sad thing is today people still believe that the bible has authority.  I don't recognize it's authority because I register in my IQ over 100.


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Re: The Value of Religious Texts (or lack thereof) [Re: Morel Guy]
    #23903867 - 12/07/16 03:18 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: The Value of Religious Texts (or lack thereof) [Re: Morel Guy]
    #23903907 - 12/07/16 03:26 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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The bible in all it's versions is psychology.  There wasn't science back then so people had to explain what appeared to have meaning.

The sad thing is today people still believe that the bible has authority.  I don't recognize it's authority because I register in my IQ over 100.




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Bereshis 1Orthodox Jewish Bible (OJB)

1 In the beginning Elohim created hashomayim (the heavens, Himel) and haaretz (the earth).

2 And the earth was tohu vavohu (without form, and void); and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Ruach Elohim was hovering upon the face of the waters.

3 And Elohim said, Let there be light: and there was light [Tehillim 33:6,9].

4 And Elohim saw the light, that it was tov (good); and Elohim divided the ohr (light) from the choshech (darkness).

5 And Elohim called the light Yom (Day), and the darkness He called Lailah (Night). And the erev (evening) and the boker (morning) were Yom Echad (Day One, the First Day, Mk 16:2).

6 And Elohim said, Let there be a raki’a (expanse, dome, firmament) in the midst of the mayim (waters), and let it divide the mayim from the mayim.

7 And Elohim made the raki’a, and divided the waters under the raki’a from the waters which were above the raki’a; and it was so.




i thought that this was strange when i read it a few months back.

notice that the word hashomayim is translated here as "the heavens"
and that it is a variation on the word mayim which is translated here as "waters"

thats the interesting part, the word raki'a translated here as "dome, expanse, firmament" could be more simply translated as "sky" and as such, denotes a clear understanding that there is a place above the sky.  "the waters above the raki'a" is space. "and Ruach Elohim was hovering upon the face of the waters" which leads me to the conclusion the the Hebrew god is a space wizard, and not a sky wizard as Enlil would have you all believe







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Re: The Value of Religious Texts (or lack thereof) [Re: ballsalsa]
    #23904070 - 12/07/16 03:57 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Some truth within the bullshit.

A broken clock is right twice a day you know...


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Re: The Value of Religious Texts (or lack thereof) [Re: ballsalsa] * 1
    #23904086 - 12/07/16 04:01 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Since this was so centered on the abrahamic angle, I voted bullshit.
There isnt a shred of value on that, only a whole lot of negativity and lies.

On the other hand, there is value in various Hindu / Buddist texts.
A lot of bullshit too.


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Re: The Value of Religious Texts (or lack thereof) [Re: ballsalsa]
    #23904098 - 12/07/16 04:05 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

The thing about god, as in THE one, not exactly the Christian one.. is that there's kernels of it everywhere. No religion is the absolute answer, but they all have concepts with merit.


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Re: The Value of Religious Texts (or lack thereof) [Re: ballsalsa] * 1
    #23904178 - 12/07/16 04:24 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Hi :smile:

My take on it.

Religions are medical treatments for what ails the people. The holy books are the medicine and the holy building is the temple. The holy man is the doctor who administers the medicine in the hospital.

What is the medicine of all religions?

PLUR. Peace Love Unity Respect.

That is the core teaching of all the prophets and the core teaching of all the holy books.
LOVE.

People astray from Love should be administered Love in a way that they understand it, so the holy books must wrap the medicine in a bullshit that locks onto the bullshit in the minds of the patients, the believers.

You cant say in olden days "you shouldnt have slaves" so instead you teach that slaves should be treated with respect and spin stories about how Gods people were slaves and should be freed. HINT HINT. Give it some centuries and people will want to free their slaves.

DON'T COMMIT VIOLENCE!  But, if you do, don't do it disp[roportionately and know that if you do you are a sinner.

But, hate the sin not the sinner.

See whats going on? Its reprogramming people to become less fucked up, more unified and loving.

If you leaf through several holy books they all have the same mesaage of LOVE which they try to convey to people in various stages of fucked upness.

Yes. Most believers are the PATIENTS in this analogy. they are the patients that come to the hospitals of the doctors to get the medicine that will make them more loving people.

This is why there is such a huge difference between what the prophets preach and what the believers believe.

Medicine.

To Love.

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"Doctor I am vexed with guilt." "Confess and repent!"

"Doctor I'm dying." "Soon you will be in Heaven."

"Doctor we are in love." "I now pronounce you man and wife."

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Re: The Value of Religious Texts (or lack thereof) [Re: Asante]
    #23904322 - 12/07/16 05:12 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Read Carl Jung to learn what religions and mythology are really about.


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Re: The Value of Religious Texts (or lack thereof) [Re: ballsalsa]
    #23904372 - 12/07/16 05:29 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

It had value to me. It probably will again from time to time.

Much "truth" is in the eye of the beholder.


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Re: The Value of Religious Texts (or lack thereof) [Re: ballsalsa]
    #23904386 - 12/07/16 05:36 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Yea i like the bible. Its like solving a rubix cube sometimes which i enjoy.

I challenge any atheist who consider themselves very smart to pick out a verse from the bible and try to interpret its meaning, without any help from anyone.


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Re: The Value of Religious Texts (or lack thereof) [Re: zZZz]
    #23904413 - 12/07/16 05:44 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

What about help from psychedelics?

It's sorta like horoscopes.  They have the meaning you intend.  It's also like law as they have meaning that is very specific and detailed.

I just don't find any guidance or hope from reading the bible.  I don't have a lot of ways about me that are lost.  I don't go around causing problems in the way that religious people think non-religious people go about.


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Re: The Value of Religious Texts (or lack thereof) [Re: Asante]
    #23904458 - 12/07/16 05:58 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Asante said:

PLUR. Peace Love Unity Respect.

That is the core teaching of all the prophets and the core teaching of all the holy books.
LOVE.




The abrahamic books are filled with fully condoned and celebrated massacres, rape and torture.
They not only condone these activities but encourage them.

Those books are a message of hatred and evil, they snare and infiltrate the minds of your average - relatively peaceful person, by sprinkling in the rare platitude about love, frail threads of innocence woven in a fabric of hate to form the flag of evil minds.

Dont apologize for that filth, it rubs off.


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Re: The Value of Religious Texts (or lack thereof) [Re: Repertoire89]
    #23904466 - 12/07/16 06:01 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

What abrahamic books are u talking about?..


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Re: The Value of Religious Texts (or lack thereof) [Re: zZZz]
    #23904503 - 12/07/16 06:11 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Tanakh, New Test and Quran


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Re: The Value of Religious Texts (or lack thereof) [Re: Repertoire89]
    #23904508 - 12/07/16 06:13 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Sometimes massacres are necessary.


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Re: The Value of Religious Texts (or lack thereof) [Re: Apostle]
    #23904521 - 12/07/16 06:17 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Like when youre forcefully converting dozens of cities and killing anyone who refuses?
Thats what those books advocated, that was what the "loving" profits ordered.


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Re: The Value of Religious Texts (or lack thereof) [Re: Repertoire89]
    #23904530 - 12/07/16 06:19 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I dont know much about the tanakh or the Qur'an, but i know a bit about the new testament. Which verses exactly do u not fancy in the new testament?..


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Re: The Value of Religious Texts (or lack thereof) [Re: Repertoire89]
    #23904547 - 12/07/16 06:25 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

fuck mohammad and whoever else.

Bible atrocities are fine.


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Re: The Value of Religious Texts (or lack thereof) [Re: zZZz]
    #23904556 - 12/07/16 06:28 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

zZZz said:
I dont know much about the tanakh or the Qur'an, but i know a bit about the new testament. Which verses exactly do u not fancy in the new testament?..




Im not looking to discuss these books in detail, I find them annoying to name at this point, let alone skimming through and discussing passages


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Re: The Value of Religious Texts (or lack thereof) [Re: Repertoire89] * 1
    #23904565 - 12/07/16 06:32 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Cmon bro lets get to the root of things. U scared? If u scared go to church :whatyougonnado:


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Re: The Value of Religious Texts (or lack thereof) [Re: zZZz]
    #23904586 - 12/07/16 06:36 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Are you implying that youre a christian out of fear?
Rise up to the challenge of opening your mind, face your fears like a man.

As far as details, if youve read these books, I shouldnt need to explain, and certainly have no desire to.


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Re: The Value of Religious Texts (or lack thereof) [Re: Repertoire89]
    #23904599 - 12/07/16 06:39 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I thought most of the bad stuff was in the old testement so im genuinely interested as well...


if anyone has the desire.


New Testament and quotes attributed to Jesus specifically.


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Re: The Value of Religious Texts (or lack thereof) [Re: ballsalsa]
    #23904654 - 12/07/16 06:51 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Of course there's going to be some truth scattered throughout sacred texts, the thing is you don't need a sacred text to realize that those few things are truth, and this is one of many reasons I believe religions are inventions used for nefarious purposes.

I think the person that can do good in life without the guidance of religion, is truly strong.


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Re: The Value of Religious Texts (or lack thereof) [Re: Lucis]
    #23904673 - 12/07/16 06:55 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

If you can make religion you might end up stronger.


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Re: The Value of Religious Texts (or lack thereof) [Re: Repertoire89]
    #23904687 - 12/07/16 06:59 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I never said i was a christian bro..

Im just saying ure in here claiming all kinds of things but wheres the merit?..

I havent read everything by the way, im just genuinely interested to know..


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Re: The Value of Religious Texts (or lack thereof) [Re: zZZz]
    #23904754 - 12/07/16 07:20 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Cmon bro lets get to the root of things. U scared? If u scared go to church :whatyougonnado:




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Re: The Value of Religious Texts (or lack thereof) [Re: Ahab McBathsalts]
    #23904831 - 12/07/16 07:37 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

GO TO CHURCH!


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Re: The Value of Religious Texts (or lack thereof) [Re: larry.fisherman]
    #23904849 - 12/07/16 07:40 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

here is the big kernel of truth in the Bible, displayed already in the film 10 Cloverfield Lane. father rules. when shit hits the fan, father rules, because father lays the smackdown. why? because children are the most important thing to protect. (oversimplification, but...if the shit hits, the father condemns those who will upset the established order...why? because psychologically, humans cannot handle no-control. no children, no control. no reflection of innocence, no psychological hold on maintaining control.)

it's weird. but it's true.


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Re: The Value of Religious Texts (or lack thereof) [Re: Apostle]
    #23904868 - 12/07/16 07:43 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Apostle said:
fuck mohammad and whoever else.

Bible atrocities are fine.



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Re: The Value of Religious Texts (or lack thereof) [Re: akira_akuma]
    #23904877 - 12/07/16 07:45 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

is that worth a watch?


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    #23904882 - 12/07/16 07:46 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

yes, definitely. it's really really fuckin' good, i thought. plus John Goodman is in it, it was automatic win, for me- but it really is good, check it out.

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Re: The Value of Religious Texts (or lack thereof) [Re: akira_akuma]
    #23904900 - 12/07/16 07:50 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Oooohh! Do me!


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    #23904905 - 12/07/16 07:52 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Akira, reaper of Akuma, broiler of poutine


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Re: The Value of Religious Texts (or lack thereof) [Re: Repertoire89]
    #23904971 - 12/07/16 08:11 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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XLCaps said:
Oooohh! Do me!



Demonatrix Shitscalp, the Florid.

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Akira, reaper of Akuma, broiler of poutine



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Re: The Value of Religious Texts (or lack thereof) [Re: akira_akuma]
    #23904982 - 12/07/16 08:14 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I don't even :lol:


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Re: The Value of Religious Texts (or lack thereof) [Re: larry.fisherman]
    #23904984 - 12/07/16 08:14 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

your head smells like cheese.


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Re: The Value of Religious Texts (or lack thereof) [Re: akira_akuma]
    #23904987 - 12/07/16 08:15 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

What kind of cheese?


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Re: The Value of Religious Texts (or lack thereof) [Re: larry.fisherman]
    #23904989 - 12/07/16 08:15 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Shitscalp cheese, Demonatrix.


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Re: The Value of Religious Texts (or lack thereof) [Re: akira_akuma] * 1
    #23905017 - 12/07/16 08:23 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Shitscalp cheese - it's like head cheese, except just the scalp.

That name makes me sound like some kind of cheap prostitute. :lol:


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Re: The Value of Religious Texts (or lack thereof) [Re: larry.fisherman]
    #23905027 - 12/07/16 08:25 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Shitscalp cheese - it's like head cheese, except just the scalp.




:lmafo:
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That name makes me sound like some kind of cheap prostitute. :lol:



...whom can grate one's scalp for dinner. perfect!


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Re: The Value of Religious Texts (or lack thereof) [Re: akira_akuma]
    #23905103 - 12/07/16 08:45 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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    #23905104 - 12/07/16 08:46 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I'd make an excellent, high class waiter. Cheese on demand.


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Re: The Value of Religious Texts (or lack thereof) [Re: larry.fisherman]
    #23905208 - 12/07/16 09:24 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)



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Re: The Value of Religious Texts (or lack thereof) [Re: larry.fisherman] * 1
    #23905337 - 12/07/16 10:13 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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XLCaps said:

That name makes me sound like some kind of cheap prostitute. :lol:





As if you weren't?


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Re: The Value of Religious Texts (or lack thereof) [Re: Lucis] * 2
    #23905355 - 12/07/16 10:20 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Demonatrix don't play no games.

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You want quality you gotta pay. :crankey:


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Re: The Value of Religious Texts (or lack thereof) [Re: akira_akuma]
    #23905363 - 12/07/16 10:24 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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akira_akuma said:
because psychologically, humans cannot handle no-control. no children, no control. no reflection of innocence, no psychological hold on maintaining control.)

it's weird. but it's true.





You can have reflections of innocence by observing nature, one doesn't need children to observe that.  Plenty of people handle no control, but I think the majority cannot handle life without the control you're speaking of, I can only speak for myself when I say, the best I have ever done in my life, were in times when nobody was trying to exercise any control over me.

Have I misinterpreted what you meant akira?


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Re: The Value of Religious Texts (or lack thereof) [Re: Lucis]
    #23905402 - 12/07/16 10:41 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

no, not at all. i think you interpreted what i said very clearly, but one thing though...while you're right about the observation of nature...well, we still need kids, in order to propagate the species, otherwise, no more observing nature. so mix that idea with the previous statement and you'll see more of what i meant, overall.


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