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Shame
    #23902888 - 12/07/16 10:52 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I think shame is natural and inevitable, it seems like people treat it as something to be disdained, or else theyre carried off and take it too seriously. If you do something morally "wrong" and feel like shit over it, thats a dose of shame which helps us to avoid doing these things again.

Im all for embracing anger, pain and shame within reasonable limits, this is how we learn.
Everyone feels shame, no in is perfect in their actions, but I get the impression that many people suppress this feeling, ashamed of their shame, proud.

What is your greatest shame?

Do you ever feel shame?
You may choose only one
Do you think a person can live totally free of shame?
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Waffles or pacakes?
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Re: Shame [Re: Repertoire89] * 1
    #23902928 - 12/07/16 11:01 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I have no idea how to emotionally carry people.  It's a bit of embarrassment.  I do try to pretend well but I believe I fail.


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Re: Shame [Re: Repertoire89]
    #23902944 - 12/07/16 11:06 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I feel like people can live without shame, actually i'm sure prisoner#1 will chime in about how he feels no shame in a moment.


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Re: Shame [Re: czech] * 1
    #23902960 - 12/07/16 11:09 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I have learned a number of "do's and don't's" from shame. I definitely have felt real shame and will probably feel more shame in the future, as will everyone else alive. I think if you don't feel an ounce of shame in your entire life then you must be assburgerd af


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Re: Shame [Re: trees]
    #23902980 - 12/07/16 11:17 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Ive neglected my women and friendships at times by being calloused, and when I was much younger I did some thieving

There are too many small regrets to count, so I dont think about it much, but I try to be generous now with time, goods and affection


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Re: Shame [Re: Repertoire89]
    #23903163 - 12/07/16 12:21 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

What's shame?


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Re: Shame [Re: Repertoire89]
    #23903617 - 12/07/16 02:22 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

"Who needs shame when you can have orgasms?" -a pubber


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Re: Shame [Re: larry.fisherman] * 1
    #23903633 - 12/07/16 02:25 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I'm ashamed of the shroomery.

Some of the most powerful mind altering plants and there are lot's of idiots that claim to be enlightened thru them.

I'm not so sure how there are Republicans and shroomerites.


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Re: Shame [Re: Morel Guy]
    #23903803 - 12/07/16 03:01 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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I'm not so sure how there are Republicans and shroomerites.



Because the liberal media manipulates you libtards! :lol:


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Re: Shame [Re: King Klick]
    #23903866 - 12/07/16 03:18 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I don't believe any republican media would want a republican shroomerite representing their bowel movement let alone anything else.


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Re: Shame [Re: Morel Guy]
    #23903886 - 12/07/16 03:21 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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I don't believe any republican media would want a republican shroomerite representing their bowel movement let alone anything else.



I was kidding, I'm a liberal by default.


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Re: Shame [Re: Repertoire89]
    #23903904 - 12/07/16 03:25 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Psychopaths live without shame. That is what makes them so dangerous.


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Re: Shame [Re: rogue_pixie]
    #23903991 - 12/07/16 03:43 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Do they truly have no shame? Or do they repress it?

All we can do is ask them


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Re: Shame [Re: Repertoire89]
    #23904019 - 12/07/16 03:48 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Shame manifests in many ways.  Usually an extreme emotion but it could be flat emotion.

Never can tell with some people.  Usually if you would feel shame, it's safe to project that analysis.


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Re: Shame [Re: Morel Guy]
    #23904103 - 12/07/16 04:06 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

It can be overwhelming in its own way, but its one of the more shallow emotions in my experience, anger, fear and ecstasy can literally make me blind, forget who I am, shake... maybe I just havent fucked up bad enough but shame has never reached same level.


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Re: Shame [Re: Repertoire89]
    #23904122 - 12/07/16 04:10 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Probably because of unrealized and not integrating shame.  So it boils over into other emotions.


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Re: Shame [Re: Morel Guy]
    #23904379 - 12/07/16 05:32 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I dont think so, nothing Ive done would merit a level of shame to compete with an emotion like rage, I can only really speculate that shame has that potential. On the other hand, one can get set off with anger in a traffic jam for basically no reason but minor inconveniences piled together, so maybe one shouldnt need that much stimulation to test an equivilant feeling of shame...

Do people feel different levels of different emotions?
I would compare anger, lamentation and happiness as relatively even in potency.
Maybe someone else doesnt experience the same balance


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Re: Shame [Re: Repertoire89]
    #23904393 - 12/07/16 05:38 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

What I mean is instead of experiencing shame people are wired to experience other emotions.  Not that any one emotion is healthy as an option.  But shame might be more survivable than rage in our modern world.  Then again anger might be better than shame.


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Re: Shame [Re: Morel Guy]
    #23904418 - 12/07/16 05:46 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Oh yeah I may agree, whether this is cultural conditioning or the natural balance is another question altogether.

I do wonder how others feel though, if other might be more or less affected by certain emotions, and how we develop into our different emotional perceptions... culture, genetics, experience, age, gender, maybe even race


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Re: Shame [Re: Repertoire89] * 1
    #23904423 - 12/07/16 05:48 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

When i was schizophrenic i came up with the little saying "ALL I FEEL IS SHAME" it meant a lot at the time


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Re: Shame [Re: rogue_pixie]
    #23904428 - 12/07/16 05:49 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I dont necessarily embrace those things as much as i try to be aware of them when they are occuring.


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Psychopaths live without shame. That is what makes them so dangerous.




I feel like sum of the craziest people are actually sober af and have probably never done a drug in their lives aside from alittle alcohol and cigarretes.

Peeps always be going after the drug users that they forget all about the non drug users..


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Re: Shame [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #23904432 - 12/07/16 05:50 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

If you were really schizophrenic you would still be.

Perhaps you were psychotic?

I look forward to a day when our genetics are our diagnosis.


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Re: Shame [Re: zZZz] * 1
    #23904478 - 12/07/16 06:05 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

Morel Guy said:

I look forward to a day when our genetics are our diagnosis.




The fourth reich? :lol:



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zZZz said:
I dont necessarily embrace those things as much as i try to be aware of them when they are occuring.




There's a little of both in my views, but I do spend far more time trying to work away from negative emotions than finding any immediate use for them


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Re: Shame [Re: Repertoire89]
    #23904486 - 12/07/16 06:07 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Eugenics to the rescue!


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Re: Shame [Re: Repertoire89]
    #23904492 - 12/07/16 06:08 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Currently symptoms are used for diagnosis.  I can see that this works but it also a lot of the time is incorrect.  It's the old and easy way of doing things.  People spend a lot of years and money fitting the diagnosis on the disease.


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Re: Shame [Re: Morel Guy]
    #23905417 - 12/07/16 10:49 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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If you were really schizophrenic you would still be.

Perhaps you were psychotic?

I look forward to a day when our genetics are our diagnosis.




I assumed that's what was already going on in western medicine..


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Re: Shame [Re: Morel Guy]
    #23905838 - 12/08/16 05:20 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Morel Guy said:
If you were really schizophrenic you would still be.

Perhaps you were psychotic?

I look forward to a day when our genetics are our diagnosis.





Well i was diagnosed with schizophrenia twice but each time i recovered fully from it so it really was just a temporary psychosis caused by excessive BHO use


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Flowing out means far-reaching;
Being far-reaching, it is said to return.


It's just a shot away..


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Re: Shame [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #23907261 - 12/08/16 02:48 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I think that there are underlying issues if something as harmless as BHO were to cause a psychotic break.

Meth maybe, spice sure, but BHO ain't that much of a thang.


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Re: Shame [Re: czech]
    #23907293 - 12/08/16 02:57 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I notice it a lot in mainstream media, society, and social narratives.

In society, you can't slut or fat shame. We can however say things like "fuck you WHITE AMERICA," we can demonize men, use shaming language, and manipulation to contrive the results we want. Its pretty fucking gross but, if you can pick up on the subtleties, you can catch it and out somebody.


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Re: Shame [Re: Repertoire89]
    #23907332 - 12/08/16 03:09 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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What is your greatest shame?



I have none, I try as hard as I reasonably can to be perfect.


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Re: Shame [Re: zZZz]
    #23907542 - 12/08/16 04:07 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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I feel like sum of the craziest people are actually sober af and have probably never done a drug in their lives aside from alittle alcohol and cigarretes.








I agree, the worst nut jobs I have seen thought drugs were bad, I tend to not trust people that don't use, or haven't used something before, it's a flaw of mine.


Regarding the topic of this thread, I think people can feel guilt for having treated someone poorly, but I think shame is much deeper.  I think people kill themselves for feeling shame, but a guilty person can be redeemed if they're willing to do so, does that make sense?  Shame always seemed like such a harsh word.


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Re: Shame [Re: Lucis]
    #23907566 - 12/08/16 04:14 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

You can make that distinction, but ive been using the words interchangeably.
Like anger and rage, technically theyre synonymous


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Re: Shame [Re: Repertoire89]
    #23907576 - 12/08/16 04:17 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I view anger and rage as two totally different things, if I am angry I would be in control of how I was feeling, if I was in a rage then I would be out of control.


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Re: Shame [Re: Alyssa]
    #23907590 - 12/08/16 04:20 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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What is your greatest shame?



I have none, I try as hard as I reasonably can to be perfect.




I honestly think you have to be either exteemely emotionally repressed or psychopathic not to feel shame at some point or another, I only entertain the prospect of someone being truly psychopathic as a theoretical, so repression is my assumption. As for sannyasins, Im not a believer, repression again.

Do you entertain the idea that you could be repressing feeling of shame, or do you reject the idea outright?
I think it is healthy to reflect on the possibility, everyone is repressed to some degree imo, we're a constantly shifting pool of emotion and perfection is impossible as tensions arise spontaneously here or there, with or without reason.

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Re: Shame [Re: Lucis]
    #23907601 - 12/08/16 04:23 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Fennario said:
I view anger and rage as two totally different things, if I am angry I would be in control of how I was feeling, if I was in a rage then I would be out of control.




That was why I used thise words as an example, I often group certain words which may have more distinct meanings, its a habit born from writing a lot of poetry


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Re: Shame [Re: Repertoire89]
    #23907807 - 12/08/16 05:36 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Alyssa said:
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Repertoire89 said:
What is your greatest shame?



I have none, I try as hard as I reasonably can to be perfect.




I honestly think you have to be either exteemely emotionally repressed or psychopathic not to feel shame at some point or another, I only entertain the prospect of someone being truly psychopathic as a theoretical, so repression is my assumption. As for sannyasins, Im not a believer, repression again.

Do you entertain the idea that you could be repressing feeling of shame, or do you reject the idea outright?
I think it is healthy to reflect on the possibility, everyone is repressed to some degree imo, we're a constantly shifting pool of emotion and perfection is impossible as tensions arise spontaneously here or there, with or without reason.

Food for thought



What does an angel like me have to be ashamed of? Certainly not my body. My words? My actions? I'm always motivated by my dream of universal love and empathy. I wasn't always enlightened, but I don't feel ashamed of my unenlightened self. I was never a bad person. I just couldn't always see what I see now, because I hadn't had my divine revelations yet. I've made plenty of mistakes in my life, but I've always tried my best, so why should I be ashamed of them?

As far as what society says I should be ashamed of myself for, I give it the big "fuck you". Having gone long periods of time unemployed, for example; society says it's shameful to claim benefits but I certainly had no qualms about doing it, I even boasted about my lifestyle on the shroomery. And now that I'm employed, I'm not ashamed to be working for the man; I merely realized that in order to help the Illuminati achieve the NWO I should be contributing to the economic system, so I decided to look for a job. People might still think it's shameful that I'm working at home, naked on my bed smoking weed while others are stuck in fast food kitchens and cleaning toilets, but basically I'm just reaping the rewards of having a marketable skill. People might think it's shameful that I quit university after 1 month; I think it's funny.

So you see, not being concerned about what people think of me and having faith in my own moral compass means I don't have to feel shame. It's not psychopathic or repressed, but rather enlightened.


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Re: Shame [Re: czech]
    #23908001 - 12/08/16 06:28 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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I think that there are underlying issues if something as harmless as BHO were to cause a psychotic break.

Meth maybe, spice sure, but BHO ain't that much of a thang.





I never had any psych issues so im not sure what underlying problems there could be.

But i do know i was smoking BHO all day everyday for months on end..but i agree that still shouldnt be enough to make me have a psychotic break


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I do not know its name; I call it tao.
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Great (ta). Being great, it flows out;
Flowing out means far-reaching;
Being far-reaching, it is said to return.


It's just a shot away..


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