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The "Unschooling Movement" -- Keep your kids out of school and let them learn whatever they want
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Has anybody heard of this shit? It's called the "unschooling movement," where parents take their kids out of school and keep them at home and let them do pretty much whatever.
It's different from home-schooling because the parents don't teach their kids anything or provide them with any curriculum, it's basically up to the kid what they want to learn, if at all.
Naturally, a lot of children don't want to sit down and do math, and won't bother to learn to read if they don't have to. So basically they just end up raising uneducated, useless kids.
Here's a video. What are your thoughts on this "unschooling movement?" This is some cave-man shit, I really hope this doesn't become some big trend in the future.
Edit: Turns out ABC doesn't allow streaming on YouTube, so please click on this link for the video
Edited by Crystal G (12/07/16 08:23 AM)
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Re: The "Unschooling Movement" -- Keep your kids out of school and let them learn whatever they want [Re: Crystal G]
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Interesting idea, kind of like montessori. Except with montessori kids get taught a little something and then they are left with materials and free time to do what they want.
It might work well for some but no so much with others. Children need some kind of basic structure imo but there is something to the idea of learning about something you choose to more thoroughly.
Given the choice of doing what they want a lot of kids would probably eat bagel bites and ice cream while watching cartoons and playing video games all day.
Youd basically turn your kid into cartman from the world of warcract episode of southpark.
I do believe giving children a choice/control of what they want to learn as being potentially a good thing. Builds confidence, independence..
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Re: The "Unschooling Movement" -- Keep your kids out of school and let them learn whatever they want [Re: Crystal G]
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Re: The "Unschooling Movement" -- Keep your kids out of school and let them learn whatever they want [Re: Crystal G] 7
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Crystal G said: Naturally, a lot of children don't want to sit down and do math, and won't bother to learn to read if they don't have to. So basically they just end up raising uneducated, useless kids.
so they're raising progressives
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Re: The "Unschooling Movement" -- Keep your kids out of school and let them learn whatever they want [Re: Mush 4 Brains]
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Also its important as a child to learn there are things in life you have to do that you dont want to like work or responsibilities. I feel school installs a lot of that structure into the young mind. Never ind the subjects but the responsibility and obligation and to know that life is not tailored for you, that yu have to accept things in life for what they are and know not everything is going to be something you want/like/choose to do.
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Re: The "Unschooling Movement" -- Keep your kids out of school and let them learn whatever they want [Re: SonicTitan]
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Very true. Youd also have to assume life experiences will teach them that they have limits and consequences to an extent though too.
Its all about a balance. I think its very important that a child is regularly given free time/free range, to do what they want within reason. I wish i was given more as a child, i think it wouldve built up a stronger confidence in myself that took some time in adulthood for me to cultivate.
Also studies have shown that children greatly excel at things they like/have an interest in.
I always envied the rare people out there that knew exactly what they wanted to do their whole life. I think some freedom in education during childhood plays a positive role in that.
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Re: The "Unschooling Movement" -- Keep your kids out of school and let them learn whatever they want [Re: Mush 4 Brains]
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I went to Montessori preschool. I remember enjoying it.
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Re: The "Unschooling Movement" -- Keep your kids out of school and let them learn whatever they want [Re: Crystal G] 1
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Crystal G said: Has anybody heard of this shit? It's called the "unschooling movement," where parents take their kids out of school and keep them at home and let them do pretty much whatever.
It's different from home-schooling because the parents don't teach their kids anything or provide them with any curriculum, it's basically up to the kid what they want to learn, if at all.
Naturally, a lot of children don't want to sit down and do math, and won't bother to learn to read if they don't have to. So basically they just end up raising uneducated, useless kids. ]
Sounds like most of what most of our fail school systems put out anyway.... Dick
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Re: The "Unschooling Movement" -- Keep your kids out of school and let them learn whatever they want [Re: Crystal G] 3
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My parents tried homeschooling me, but it turned into me basically just not doing school. Felt like unschooling. Didn't even know multiplication tables when I started college. I was a straight A student save for my last couple semesters when I just didn't care about the whole college thing anymore. I felt odd giving help to people that spent 9 more years in school than I had.
You don't need school.
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Re: The "Unschooling Movement" -- Keep your kids out of school and let them learn whatever they want [Re: Solivagant]
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Solivagant said: I was a straight A student save for my last couple semesters when I just didn't care about the whole college thing anymore.
Curious, how were you a straight A student in college if you couldn't do multiplication tables? Didn't you have to take statistics or some other college-level math courses that were requirements?
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Re: The "Unschooling Movement" -- Keep your kids out of school and let them learn whatever they want [Re: Crystal G]
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Thats basically what I did from age 11, but I was actually interested in learning and studied. Went through a program and did the tests to get a diploma at 17, started college at 18 without a hitch.
Its a terrible idea though, I was fine because the interest was there and I had a lot of textbooks sitting around from different family members attending one university or another, but most kids wouldnt do shit. Another issue is having guidance and direction from teachers, thats very important for any kind of study, although it wouldnt have benefited me for the same reasons I was expelled from the local school system.
Discipline is another issue, I have plenty of discipline where it matters to me, but not where it typically matters to society. To be fair on that note, I did jack shit in school anyways, started skipping class in 3rd or 4th grade, stole and picked fights all the time, didnt do shit anyone wanted me to do... what a shitty upbringing I had.
Anyways I can read and write, do algebra, and am constantly hearing college kids bring up studies (etc) that I was ruminating over as a punkass 12yr old.
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Re: The "Unschooling Movement" -- Keep your kids out of school and let them learn whatever they want [Re: Repertoire89]
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LOL at video title "Free Range Children"
Clearly a Liberal idea. But let's ruin a few kids' live and see what happens. You never know, if it works you guys might score point (or loses a ton).
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Re: The "Unschooling Movement" -- Keep your kids out of school and let them learn whatever they want [Re: Crystal G]
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Crystal G said: I went to Montessori preschool. I remember enjoying it.
Are your parents wealthy? Im just curious because montessori always struck me as an eccentric thing rich people do for their children.
Really does montessori have much of an impact on a preschooler? What i recall of preschool was nap time, lunch and then pretty much playing/doing what i want with whatever/whoever around me anyways... I mean provided i wasnt pulling my pants down and pissing on other children or harming myself or others.
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Re: The "Unschooling Movement" -- Keep your kids out of school and let them learn whatever they want [Re: Patlal]
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Patlal said: LOL at video title "Free Range Children"
Clearly a Liberal idea. But let's ruin a few kids' live and see what happens. You never know, if it works you guys might score point (or loses a ton).
Either way, I want to see this.
People who live on handouts / inheritance shouldnt comment on politics, you live in a bubble.
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Re: The "Unschooling Movement" -- Keep your kids out of school and let them learn whatever they want [Re: Mush 4 Brains]
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Mush 4 Brains said: Really does montessori have much of an impact on a preschooler?
I have no idea, honestly. I don't even know what the basic concept of Montessori is really.
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Re: The "Unschooling Movement" -- Keep your kids out of school and let them learn whatever they want [Re: Crystal G]
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Learn fast! I took 20 credit hours per semester for a while there
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Re: The "Unschooling Movement" -- Keep your kids out of school and let them learn whatever they want [Re: Crystal G] 1
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I have no idea, honestly. I don't even know what the basic concept of Montessori is really.
your parents thought you were retarded or something
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Re: The "Unschooling Movement" -- Keep your kids out of school and let them learn whatever they want [Re: Crystal G] 2
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I have the perfect Terence Mckenna rebuttal to this right under the button.
Listen up, only a few minutes.
No, being dumb and ignorant is not of the same value as being intelligent and educated on a subject. No, not all opinions are equal in value.
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Re: The "Unschooling Movement" -- Keep your kids out of school and let them learn whatever they want [Re: Repertoire89]
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Patlal said: LOL at video title "Free Range Children"
Clearly a Liberal idea. But let's ruin a few kids' live and see what happens. You never know, if it works you guys might score point (or loses a ton).
Either way, I want to see this.
People who live on handouts / inheritance shouldnt comment on politics, you live in a bubble.
special needs kids shouldnt comment on child rearing/development
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Re: The "Unschooling Movement" -- Keep your kids out of school and let them learn whatever they want [Re: Prisoner#1]
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your parents thought you were retarded or something
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My momma always did tell me not to stick my hand into the blender while it's on 
That was when I was 15
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Re: The "Unschooling Movement" -- Keep your kids out of school and let them learn whatever they want [Re: Crystal G]
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your parents thought you were retarded or something
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My momma always did tell me not to stick my hand into the blender while it's on 
That was when I was 15 
your mother was clearly a very intelligent warning to give you that sort of advice at that age
youtube is filled with videos of people doing just that
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Re: The "Unschooling Movement" -- Keep your kids out of school and let them learn whatever they want [Re: Prisoner#1]
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Mush 4 Brains said: Really does montessori have much of an impact on a preschooler?
I have no idea, honestly. I don't even know what the basic concept of Montessori is really.
your parents thought you were retarded or something
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It might have started for that purpose but its meant to be for a lack of a better term "regular" kids too. I could see it being beneficial for autistic children though.
I had a tutor/former teacher in grade school who told me she did some work in montessori.
The whole idea is that children will learn more effectively, discover their skills and interests more quickly by lack of restrictions. In montessori you dont tell or force a child to do anything, you ask questions and encourage them to do whatever. The classroom is open
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Re: The "Unschooling Movement" -- Keep your kids out of school and let them learn whatever they want [Re: Mush 4 Brains]
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you need to stop talking or crystal g will end up sticking her hand in a blender
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Re: The "Unschooling Movement" -- Keep your kids out of school and let them learn whatever they want [Re: Mush 4 Brains]
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Mush 4 Brains said: The whole idea is that children will learn more effectively, discover their skills and interests more quickly by lack of restrictions. In montessori you dont tell or force a child to do anything, you ask questions and encourage them to do whatever. The classroom is open
Hah. I have no idea why my mom sent me there then, she's a very authoritarian and strict rules kind of person.
She probably had no idea what Montessori even was, she just sent me there because some other parents recommended it.
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Re: The "Unschooling Movement" -- Keep your kids out of school and let them learn whatever they want [Re: Repertoire89]
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Patlal said: LOL at video title "Free Range Children"
Clearly a Liberal idea. But let's ruin a few kids' live and see what happens. You never know, if it works you guys might score point (or loses a ton).
Either way, I want to see this.
People who live on handouts / inheritance shouldnt comment on politics, you live in a bubble.
I live off none of those...
See the rich kid thread.
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Re: The "Unschooling Movement" -- Keep your kids out of school and let them learn whatever they want [Re: Prisoner#1] 1
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As I rewatched the video I noticed that a main concern of these parents is legal issues. I may not agree with what they are doing, but why does our government get to decide how we raise our kids? Indoctrination IMO these kids will grow up to be spoiled needy adults, but that is not my problem, until the government has to support them. I can agree with some of the talking points, about who needs algebra and how valid is knowing certain people of interest in the past. However, my kids went to school and I was able to instill the important life lessons in the time they were at home. It is sad that our schools do not provide life skills IMO, just creating institutionalalized creatures ready to be corporate robots or prisoners. But there must be a happy medium. Fuck
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Re: The "Unschooling Movement" -- Keep your kids out of school and let them learn whatever they want [Re: Crystal G]
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Horrible idea. Very alienating and ostracizing for the children. Most families that decide to do this sort of bullshit are woman-dominated families and the mom always is trying to push her children to be ultra-feminists. Even if the children are boys.
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Re: The "Unschooling Movement" -- Keep your kids out of school and let them learn whatever they want [Re: Prisoner#1]
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Prisoner#1 said: special needs kids shouldnt comment on child rearing/development
Thats cute, I needed no attention or guidance and educated myself well enough to get into college without a hitch, the work there was basic shit I had learnt a decade prior, and youre talking about special needs.
Im not impressed with you, o king of cognitive dissonance who be always right.
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Re: The "Unschooling Movement" -- Keep your kids out of school and let them learn whatever they want [Re: Patlal]
#23902826 - 12/07/16 10:31 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Patlala said: I live off none of those...
See the rich kid thread.
Maybe Im mixing up your situation with someone else, just jerking your chain anyways
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Webster10 said: Horrible idea. Very alienating and ostracizing for the children. Most families that decide to do this sort of bullshit are woman-dominated families and the mom always is trying to push her children to be ultra-feminists. Even if the children are boys.
And you accuse me of having a skewed perception of men
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Re: The "Unschooling Movement" -- Keep your kids out of school and let them learn whatever they want [Re: Crystal G]
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Webster10 said: Horrible idea. Very alienating and ostracizing for the children. Most families that decide to do this sort of bullshit are woman-dominated families and the mom always is trying to push her children to be ultra-feminists. Even if the children are boys.
And you accuse me of having a skewed perception of men 
When I was in high school I took a class at the community college about this alternative childhood bullshit. Go through and read each case about this stupid hippy crap. It's the same situation in almost every case. Cuck-father let's cunt-wife dominate marriage and raise children contrary to how the rest of normal society does because cunt-wife feels that she was never accepted in normal society.
Look up the case where the baby was named, "storm." The cunt-wife literally took the entire family, cuck-father included into the god damn woods to live. The cunt-wife sent out a mass email saying she wouldn't reveal "storms" gender to anyone, leaving "it" free to decide what it wanted to be. How much do you want to fucking bet that "storm" is biologically a male?
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Re: The "Unschooling Movement" -- Keep your kids out of school and let them learn whatever they want [Re: Crystal G] 3
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I know this isn't the conversation but I think it's a really good idea to teach kids what they're interested in. If they like dinosaurs teach them about paleontology. If they like gorillas teach them about evolution and primate interactions. If they like drawing teach them about art. If they like music teach them how to compose. Or music theory or history or whatever they seem to gravitate toward. Encourage their interest and willingness to learn. Not just reward it, FEED IT make them hungry to learn more.
I think one of the biggest problems in standard education is there is no flexibility and very little individuality.
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Re: The "Unschooling Movement" -- Keep your kids out of school and let them learn whatever they want [Re: CookieCrumbs]
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Iv'e learned far more by my own interest in things than school ever could have taught me. I finished school at 16 and never had any further education. I found school was drip feeding me information and it bored the shit out of me. Maybe some people need the brainwash and indoctrination of the modern system, but there are some people who learn better and more thoroughly by simply taking interest in things and absorbing whatever they can.
I would have thought on a magic mushroom forum peoples opinions on this subject would be somewhat more enlightened and free thinking, but I get the impression people will defend the system and it's ways to the death. If kids are taught the basics by parents (reading and writing mainly), they can then read books or ebooks and information on the internet on whatever they are interested in. This is real learning, and is exactly what the controllers of our civilisation don't want because they can't indoctrinate and sculpt young minds into how they want them to be. They don't want free thinking people, they want people who will repeat what they are told to learn and will do as they are told.
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Re: The "Unschooling Movement" -- Keep your kids out of school and let them learn whatever they want [Re: wicca mixer]
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I think apprenticeship / tutoring is the best method for most subjects, but for some you need an institution for resources and peer reviews (medical field)
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retarded, utterly retarded. Sure for some families it would work well enough, but not the majority, and probably not the families doing it. You wonder how america gets a reputation for having so many stupid people, its stuff like this (and of course the failure of the education system to begin with)
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Re: The "Unschooling Movement" -- Keep your kids out of school and let them learn whatever they want [Re: Ezuma] 2
#23903279 - 12/07/16 12:58 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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What I don't like is how American tends to insist they're the best at most anything when the statistics show otherwise. When you see someone does something better than you, you copy them as much as you can, that might be a bit cheap but its far smarter than letting pride blind you and continuing to insist your way is best.
I think this is why so many people in the US and the western world can't admit they're wrong. We are children and government is our parent. They not only tell us how to behave, they also show us.
But I do think education should be institutional and publicly open and education should be required to all children. Like standardized tests are good in elementary school. But the time restraints and inflexibility of such tests compiled with this "no child left behind" shit means our children are being left far behind. I've discussed it many times here and I don't intend to be a broken record but institutional learning is important because it is SUPPOSED TO teach responsibility to others, accountability, and how to work with others and to share and to handle yourself wisely in a variety of situations.
And it's the best way to help make sure kids with bad parents or busy parents or absent minded parents get at least some sort of education. And it's a way the community has a chance to be aware and do something about child abuse if and when it occurs. Electives and internal class structure need a massive overhaul tho and that's not even the start of our system's problems.
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Re: The "Unschooling Movement" -- Keep your kids out of school and let them learn whatever they want [Re: Repertoire89] 1
#23903284 - 12/07/16 12:59 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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I think it would be nice to see a smaller emphasis on History and English, as I felt like it was pretty redundant by the time I was in my Junior and Senior years of high school. Not that I didn't enjoy them as classes, but if concepts in History class are too big to convey when you're in middle school, perhaps it should be saved for just high school and vice versa if it's just a redundant reiteration of American History class or something.
When I was in 7th grade, I took Wood Shop and Tech class. That was the last year they did those two classes in my state, they were cut from the curriculum. You also had to choose between Gym class and Music, you could not do both. I chose music myself, but later in life I felt like gym really should be a mandatory part of any curriculum.
I wouldn't be opposed to longer school years either, with several 2 week breaks as opposed to a summer break. Summer breaks are garbage and more of a money saver than anything of educational value. You could fit three semesters of school in one year by changing the schedule up, and put a bigger emphasis on engineering, automotive classes, computer science introduction, weapons safety, budgeting and finance, and even basic 'philosophy' courses aimed at covering the basics of how to actually learn.
When I say a smaller emphasis on History and English, I don't mean as far as content goes. I mean as far as doing the classes year after year, semester after semester. If students aren't grasping the English language or History after taking a course on it every semester since kindergarten, there is a disconnect somewhere. Perhaps the way classes are broken down aren't in depth enough to make concepts stick.
Kindergarten should be a year earlier, summer vacations should go away and we should focus harder on trades, science, engineering - and when we teach liberal arts we should be speeding up the curriculum by a lot. It only takes as long as it does to push certain curriculum because students and teachers both are complacent.
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Re: The "Unschooling Movement" -- Keep your kids out of school and let them learn whatever they want [Re: PatrickKn]
#23903330 - 12/07/16 01:10 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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There is waaaaay to much to learn in history in 4 years. If anything I've realized primary school left considerable amounts of (important) historical events out. I think maybe taking the time to teach it thoroughly instead of reteaching the same parts of history year after year might be a good idea tho.
The fact that there has to be so much reiteration is kind of proof that the education system is highly ineffective.
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Re: The "Unschooling Movement" -- Keep your kids out of school and let them learn whatever they want [Re: CookieCrumbs]
#23903354 - 12/07/16 01:19 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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In 4 years, sure. But I'm referring more to entire course of schooling from 1st grade to the end of high school. There are concepts they don't push on middle schoolers because they might not get them. They go slow on math even though middle schoolers are more than capable of learning those things if they are taught early enough.
We should be teaching foreign languages out of kindergarten, not waiting until middle school. I feel like History classes were sugar coated in Elementary and Middle School.
I guess I'm not all for removing history and English classes in later schooling so much as not making them so slow to start in the earlier schooling.
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Re: The "Unschooling Movement" -- Keep your kids out of school and let them learn whatever they want [Re: PatrickKn]
#23903371 - 12/07/16 01:24 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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I might be an outlier, but I learned much more K-8th grade than I did in High School. By the time I was in highschool, it was all repeat except for maybe Science and optional advanced math classes. I had learned 90% of my core math concepts before my Freshman year. English, the papers were just longer to write but all the same this.
Tell you what is even more worthless is the first 4 years of college. It's even more repeat. But yeah, no wonder people are unschooling their kids. I don't agree with it, but I doubt I would send my kids to a public school. The education system is pretty terrible right now in the US.
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Re: The "Unschooling Movement" -- Keep your kids out of school and let them learn whatever they want [Re: daytripper05]
#23903423 - 12/07/16 01:39 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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I remember they taught us about credit and taxes in 8th grade science and I never saw it again. ...well i took a finance elective but that doesn't count. In high school the focus is mostly on prepping for college and career. But really you have to go out of your way than to get anything but the basics. I remember learning more advanced history science and english concepts, as well as more relevant ones, before highschool. Which is sad since highschool is supposed to prepare you for life.
I was behind in math but in everything else it really felt like absolutely nothing was new. Until I took government in my Junior year. Which really only taught me I didn't want to get into government. Speaking of which, because of my disgraphia and auditory processing disorder I was allowed to receive a copy of lecture notes. My teacher would print them out every week for me.
It didn't take me long to realize the tests were just fill in the blank from the notes in the exact same order. All I had to do was memorize the words... Not understand the concepts. Right sad really.
I could learn, I just needed more individual attention and time... Teachers didn't have time for that shit so they often "cheated." andnot just for me.
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Re: The "Unschooling Movement" -- Keep your kids out of school and let them learn whatever they want [Re: CookieCrumbs]
#23903442 - 12/07/16 01:42 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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CookieCrumbs said: I know this isn't the conversation but I think it's a really good idea to teach kids what they're interested in. If they like dinosaurs teach them about paleontology. If they like gorillas teach them about evolution and primate interactions. If they like drawing teach them about art. If they like music teach them how to compose. Or music theory or history or whatever they seem to gravitate toward. Encourage their interest and willingness to learn. Not just reward it, FEED IT make them hungry to learn more.
I think one of the biggest problems in standard education is there is no flexibility and very little individuality.
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Re: The "Unschooling Movement" -- Keep your kids out of school and let them learn whatever they want [Re: A.RichardTrickle]
#23904567 - 12/07/16 06:32 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Very well said, but we know how kids are.. One min they will love dinosaurs,bugs,drawing or whatever but wait 6 months and they are not interested in it. Which is why I think school is just as important as upbringing from parents. It gives children social skills, key elements of learning like math, grammar, history, social studies, science, and much more. We need these basic teachings as children IMO. There will always be choices to do what you want, which will always change for the most part until you can really put your finger on what it is you want as a career. Most adults today dont know what they want in life and just choose a career that they can fall into easily. They also have to know that not every child is capable of everything. To tell a kid they can do anything if they put their mind to it and work hard for it is one of the biggest lies you could tell a child. Its almost like setting up for failure in a lot of ways. Thats not to say dont motivate children to do things they are interested in but dont spoon feed them garbage like "you can be anything if you set your mind to it" because if/when they fail it wont be like their entire lifes ambition is in the toilet. No matter what age, the mind should always be open and willing to learn and progress.
Maybe I sound like an idiot but ah well. I hope noone is offended by what I said, its just how I feel and wont ever attack someone for a different opinion.
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Re: The "Unschooling Movement" -- Keep your kids out of school and let them learn whatever they want [Re: Crystal G] 4
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Back in my day we called this movement "skipping".
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Re: The "Unschooling Movement" -- Keep your kids out of school and let them learn whatever they want [Re: Crystal G]
#23904974 - 12/07/16 08:12 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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It would be interesting to see an experiment on the effectiveness of this. I think a lot of it would depend on the environment in the home. The parents have this attitude of "let them do whatever they want." If they're going to do that, I think they need to remove TV and electronic entertainment from the home at the very least.
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Re: The "Unschooling Movement" -- Keep your kids out of school and let them learn whatever they want [Re: Crystal G]
#23905079 - 12/07/16 08:38 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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We need a total overhaul of our school system. Grades K-4 are fine, but everything past that is just a complete trainwreck disaster. Like, in first grade you learn shit like numbers and counting and clocks and reading, all of that is really good critical stuff that a kid needs to learn. But what the fuck do you learn in high school? Mainly how to bang the opposite sex with an optional course in drugs, nicotine, and alcohol. Our school system past about 4th grade is just completely fucked.
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Re: The "Unschooling Movement" -- Keep your kids out of school and let them learn whatever they want [Re: nooneman] 2
#23905083 - 12/07/16 08:39 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Those are important skills too though.
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Re: The "Unschooling Movement" -- Keep your kids out of school and let them learn whatever they want [Re: Apostle]
#23905090 - 12/07/16 08:40 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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This is true. This is very true.
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Re: The "Unschooling Movement" -- Keep your kids out of school and let them learn whatever they want [Re: CookieCrumbs]
#23905092 - 12/07/16 08:40 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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CookieCrumbs said: I remember they taught us about credit and taxes in 8th grade science and I never saw it again. ...well i took a finance elective but that doesn't count. In high school the focus is mostly on prepping for college and career. But really you have to go out of your way than to get anything but the basics. I remember learning more advanced history science and english concepts, as well as more relevant ones, before highschool. Which is sad since highschool is supposed to prepare you for life.
I was behind in math but in everything else it really felt like absolutely nothing was new. Until I took government in my Junior year. Which really only taught me I didn't want to get into government. Speaking of which, because of my disgraphia and auditory processing disorder I was allowed to receive a copy of lecture notes. My teacher would print them out every week for me.
It didn't take me long to realize the tests were just fill in the blank from the notes in the exact same order. All I had to do was memorize the words... Not understand the concepts. Right sad really.
I could learn, I just needed more individual attention and time... Teachers didn't have time for that shit so they often "cheated." and not just for me.
I feel similarly. I always skipped class, slept in class, got high in school. I always passed and I graduated early. Not that I'm proud of it. Most public school tests really don't test you. It does feel like word matching and most of the people that spend the time to get an A, unless they're a super nerd, forget about the content immediately after they take the test. Most of school is useless until you get to higher level courses. When 30 kids share a classroom it takes forever to work through the material I guess. This is mainly speaking for lower level classes, like I said. School really is just prison for children so their parents can work.
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Re: The "Unschooling Movement" -- Keep your kids out of school and let them learn whatever they want [Re: nooneman]
#23905526 - 12/07/16 11:39 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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nooneman said: We need a total overhaul of our school system. Grades K-4 are fine, but everything past that is just a complete trainwreck disaster. Like, in first grade you learn shit like numbers and counting and clocks and reading, all of that is really good critical stuff that a kid needs to learn. But what the fuck do you learn in high school? Mainly how to bang the opposite sex with an optional course in drugs, nicotine, and alcohol. Our school system past about 4th grade is just completely fucked.
That's true. I think the point in this is that public school is so shitty that what are they missing out on anyways? A lot of people who spent decades in K-12 and college don't even have jobs past entry-level, so what exactly don't they have? For some people there couldn't possibly have been a bigger waste of time than school.
But yeah, I like to view elementary school as a sort of societal orientation. They teach you where you live, where your country is on the map, a brief history, how to tell time, write, etc. But past that there's not really much educational value.
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Re: The "Unschooling Movement" -- Keep your kids out of school and let them learn whatever they want [Re: CookieCrumbs]
#23905527 - 12/07/16 11:39 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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CookieCrumbs said: I know this isn't the conversation but I think it's a really good idea to teach kids what they're interested in. If they like dinosaurs teach them about paleontology. If they like gorillas teach them about evolution and primate interactions. If they like drawing teach them about art. If they like music teach them how to compose. Or music theory or history or whatever they seem to gravitate toward. Encourage their interest and willingness to learn. Not just reward it, FEED IT make them hungry to learn more.
I think one of the biggest problems in standard education is there is no flexibility and very little individuality.
the purpose in the school system is to give a student the skills they need to learn these things on their own, the schools cant tailor education to the needs of each individual. if a student has an interest in art, they have classes for that, if they have an interest in music, they have classes for that, if after 6 years old they still have an interest in dinosaurs or they specifically wish to learn about gorillas, then they build the skills in the regular classes that allows them to study in the areas they are interested in as well as gaining other skills in fields they dont have an interest in but will likely be using at some point in their life
I see shit on facebook all the time asking why schools dont teach you to file your taxes, the fact of the matter is that they have, no, it wasnt a tax course but if you paid attention in school you learned how to read, write and do arithmetic and those 3 things are all that's needed for the average person to file their taxes. do we need classes specifically for teaching students to cook, clean, wipe their asses or change a tire? these are things that can be learned with the skills that the educational system has already tried to teach them, if they havent figured out how to open a book by now or at least search it on google, maybe they need to be failures in life so that others have room to succeed
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Re: The "Unschooling Movement" -- Keep your kids out of school and let them learn whatever they want [Re: Prisoner#1]
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Let's see how how these free range chickens do before we judge this
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Re: The "Unschooling Movement" -- Keep your kids out of school and let them learn whatever they want [Re: Prisoner#1]
#23906045 - 12/08/16 08:20 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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CookieCrumbs said: I know this isn't the conversation but I think it's a really good idea to teach kids what they're interested in. If they like dinosaurs teach them about paleontology. If they like gorillas teach them about evolution and primate interactions. If they like drawing teach them about art. If they like music teach them how to compose. Or music theory or history or whatever they seem to gravitate toward. Encourage their interest and willingness to learn. Not just reward it, FEED IT make them hungry to learn more.
I think one of the biggest problems in standard education is there is no flexibility and very little individuality.
the purpose in the school system is to give a student the skills they need to learn these things on their own, the schools cant tailor education to the needs of each individual. if a student has an interest in art, they have classes for that, if they have an interest in music, they have classes for that, if after 6 years old they still have an interest in dinosaurs or they specifically wish to learn about gorillas, then they build the skills in the regular classes that allows them to study in the areas they are interested in as well as gaining other skills in fields they dont have an interest in but will likely be using at some point in their life
I see shit on facebook all the time asking why schools dont teach you to file your taxes, the fact of the matter is that they have, no, it wasnt a tax course but if you paid attention in school you learned how to read, write and do arithmetic and those 3 things are all that's needed for the average person to file their taxes. do we need classes specifically for teaching students to cook, clean, wipe their asses or change a tire? these are things that can be learned with the skills that the educational system has already tried to teach them, if they havent figured out how to open a book by now or at least search it on google, maybe they need to be failures in life so that others have room to succeed
You are way off, and more of a grumpy old fucker than me pris. These kids are being taught nothing after grade six. It's fine to be pissed off and think people will just "figure this out" on their own, however; we are raising generations of idiots who can recite what they see in books and have absolutely no critical thinking or life skills. If I am paying these assholes with my tax dollars to teach my kids I expect results. Kids coming out of school today are 80% absolute fucking morons who think they should be paid to recite books. Fail. Dick
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Re: The "Unschooling Movement" -- Keep your kids out of school and let them learn whatever they want [Re: A.RichardTrickle]
#23906050 - 12/08/16 08:22 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Yep. We will never evolve at our intended pace if all we do is initiate our kids into this society. Maybe we need kids to grow up within it without being indoctrinated to help see the best courses of action to take.
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Re: The "Unschooling Movement" -- Keep your kids out of school and let them learn whatever they want [Re: A.RichardTrickle]
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CookieCrumbs said: I know this isn't the conversation but I think it's a really good idea to teach kids what they're interested in. If they like dinosaurs teach them about paleontology. If they like gorillas teach them about evolution and primate interactions. If they like drawing teach them about art. If they like music teach them how to compose. Or music theory or history or whatever they seem to gravitate toward. Encourage their interest and willingness to learn. Not just reward it, FEED IT make them hungry to learn more.
I think one of the biggest problems in standard education is there is no flexibility and very little individuality.
the purpose in the school system is to give a student the skills they need to learn these things on their own, the schools cant tailor education to the needs of each individual. if a student has an interest in art, they have classes for that, if they have an interest in music, they have classes for that, if after 6 years old they still have an interest in dinosaurs or they specifically wish to learn about gorillas, then they build the skills in the regular classes that allows them to study in the areas they are interested in as well as gaining other skills in fields they dont have an interest in but will likely be using at some point in their life
I see shit on facebook all the time asking why schools dont teach you to file your taxes, the fact of the matter is that they have, no, it wasnt a tax course but if you paid attention in school you learned how to read, write and do arithmetic and those 3 things are all that's needed for the average person to file their taxes. do we need classes specifically for teaching students to cook, clean, wipe their asses or change a tire? these are things that can be learned with the skills that the educational system has already tried to teach them, if they havent figured out how to open a book by now or at least search it on google, maybe they need to be failures in life so that others have room to succeed
You are way off, and more of a grumpy old fucker than me pris. These kids are being taught nothing after grade six. It's fine to be pissed off and think people will just "figure this out" on their own, however; we are raising generations of idiots who can recite what they see in books and have absolutely no critical thinking or life skills. If I am paying these assholes with my tax dollars to teach my kids I expect results. Kids coming out of school today are 80% absolute fucking morons who think they should be paid to recite books. Fail. Dick
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Re: The "Unschooling Movement" -- Keep your kids out of school and let them learn whatever they want [Re: Crystal G]
#23906065 - 12/08/16 08:28 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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8-6 cups of flour?
Fail. Put your kids in school.
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Re: The "Unschooling Movement" -- Keep your kids out of school and let them learn whatever they want [Re: Crystal G]
#23906131 - 12/08/16 09:11 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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i think not teaching kids is retarded, we really need to be giving psychoactive substances to them that will help to introduce them to horrors/pleasures of reality.
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Re: The "Unschooling Movement" -- Keep your kids out of school and let them learn whatever they want [Re: A.RichardTrickle]
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A.RichardTrickle said: You are way off, and more of a grumpy old fucker than me pris. These kids are being taught nothing after grade six.
I can say without a doubt that you're wrong on both counts, nothing about my post was grumpy and having kids that are in middle school and remebering my time in school pretty fucking well, I can say with absolute certainty that kids are being taught things even after grade six
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It's fine to be pissed off and think people will just "figure this out" on their own, however; we are raising generations of idiots who can recite what they see in books and have absolutely no critical thinking or life skills.
ok, if you want to be pissed off be pissed off but understand that the education isnt the problem, normally the problem is shitty students, sometimes it's shitty teachers and others it's shitty school systems but as I stated, it's normally bad students, kids that dont want to learn, that want to believe that they'll never use what they're being taught in some class or another. sure, world history is boring to you but and it's shit that happened a long time ago and while there's a high probability that you may never need to know about the Louisiana purchase you may need to know about nazi germany in order to make trump/hitler comparisons
Rep86 seems to believe he has it all figured out on his own, but the reality of things is, if these kids are as stupid as you say, doesnt that fall on them for being a bunch of little dickheads that didnt want to learn anything, that believed that they'll never need to use math outside of school?
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If I am paying these assholes with my tax dollars to teach my kids I expect results. Kids coming out of school today are 80% absolute fucking morons who think they should be paid to recite books. Fail.
maybe you need to share that load with the ones you want to blame, it's clear that you're just too angry to deal with your own stupidity so you blame the teachers and the system for your failings but you'll never get far by blaming others when the shit falls on your shoulders. if your kids are dumb it's because you didnt encourage them to strive to be more than you are, the 80% idiocy rate isnt because the teachers arent there teaching them, it's because those little retards didnt want to know, they took the same attitude that you have and believed they wouldnt learn anything after the 6th grade
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Re: The "Unschooling Movement" -- Keep your kids out of school and let them learn whatever they want [Re: daytripper05]
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daytripper05 said: Pris is definition of conventional wisdom. I've been fortunate enough to live my life against as forms of conventional wisdom as possible with great success. In a perfect world, he's usually right. But alas, we are far from a perfect world.
"Pris is definition of"
"live my life against as forms of"
it seems you could use a bit of conventional wisdom, maybe you could clarify how you believe I was wrong instead of making asinine statements that show a lack of basic understanding
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Re: The "Unschooling Movement" -- Keep your kids out of school and let them learn whatever they want [Re: Prisoner#1]
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CookieCrumbs said: I know this isn't the conversation but I think it's a really good idea to teach kids what they're interested in. If they like dinosaurs teach them about paleontology. If they like gorillas teach them about evolution and primate interactions. If they like drawing teach them about art. If they like music teach them how to compose. Or music theory or history or whatever they seem to gravitate toward. Encourage their interest and willingness to learn. Not just reward it, FEED IT make them hungry to learn more.
I think one of the biggest problems in standard education is there is no flexibility and very little individuality.
the purpose in the school system is to give a student the skills they need to learn these things on their own, the schools cant tailor education to the needs of each individual. if a student has an interest in art, they have classes for that, if they have an interest in music, they have classes for that, if after 6 years old they still have an interest in dinosaurs or they specifically wish to learn about gorillas, then they build the skills in the regular classes that allows them to study in the areas they are interested in as well as gaining other skills in fields they dont have an interest in but will likely be using at some point in their life
I see shit on facebook all the time asking why schools dont teach you to file your taxes, the fact of the matter is that they have, no, it wasnt a tax course but if you paid attention in school you learned how to read, write and do arithmetic and those 3 things are all that's needed for the average person to file their taxes. do we need classes specifically for teaching students to cook, clean, wipe their asses or change a tire? these are things that can be learned with the skills that the educational system has already tried to teach them, if they havent figured out how to open a book by now or at least search it on google, maybe they need to be failures in life so that others have room to succeed
School also teaches discipline. How to do a 8 hour shift.
As for learning what they want. That's what books are for. There something out there for everybody. If a kid is interested in hockey stats and want to read that then let him and make it his assignment. If he wants to read about serial killers, let him and keep an eye on him in high school.
Forcing a boring ass story on a kid garantees he'll hate reading and you can't have that. He will not have the autodidact skills needed for the future.
But to let the kids roam free and do whatever the fuck they want? That medieval shit.
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Re: The "Unschooling Movement" -- Keep your kids out of school and let them learn whatever they want [Re: Prisoner#1]
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daytripper05 said: Pris is definition of conventional wisdom. I've been fortunate enough to live my life against as forms of conventional wisdom as possible with great success. In a perfect world, he's usually right. But alas, we are far from a perfect world.
"Pris is definition of"
"live my life against as forms of"
it seems you could use a bit of conventional wisdom, maybe you could clarify how you believe I was wrong instead of making asinine statements that show a lack of basic understanding
Im severely dyslexic and gets worse as I get older, despite typing and using a computer for a living. I tend to skip words or put sentences together backwards and have to constantly reread/edit my posts. Sorry I didn't have time proof read it before taking my dog for a walk. A couple typos shouldn't immediately discredit what is said though.
Meant to say, "Pris is the* definition of...." and "live my life against as many* forms of..."
All I'm saying is you come across like you've already figured it all out and there is no conversation that will sway your existing opinion. Whether that is true or not isn't really the point. The point is that's how you come across. And I say this from a position where I agree with much of what you say.
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Re: The "Unschooling Movement" -- Keep your kids out of school and let them learn whatever they want [Re: SonicTitan]
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SonicTitan said: Very well said, but we know how kids are.. One min they will love dinosaurs,bugs,drawing or whatever but wait 6 months and they are not interested in it. Which is why I think school is just as important as upbringing from parents. It gives children social skills, key elements of learning like math, grammar, history, social studies, science, and much more. We need these basic teachings as children IMO. There will always be choices to do what you want, which will always change for the most part until you can really put your finger on what it is you want as a career. Most adults today dont know what they want in life and just choose a career that they can fall into easily. They also have to know that not every child is capable of everything. To tell a kid they can do anything if they put their mind to it and work hard for it is one of the biggest lies you could tell a child. Its almost like setting up for failure in a lot of ways. Thats not to say dont motivate children to do things they are interested in but dont spoon feed them garbage like "you can be anything if you set your mind to it" because if/when they fail it wont be like their entire lifes ambition is in the toilet. No matter what age, the mind should always be open and willing to learn and progress.
Maybe I sound like an idiot but ah well. I hope noone is offended by what I said, its just how I feel and wont ever attack someone for a different opinion.
What happens in college and high school is young adults invest all this time and money into a field they ultimately don't give a shit about. And it's largely because no one seriously gave them the opportunity to understand what they wanted to do.
If, instead, we let them dip their fingers in the paint in elementary and middle school and let them see what their interests are really like they'd have a much better understanding of what they might want to do when they get to college. Part of the flexibility and individuality is to help understand a childs strength and weaknesses. To help them understand their own. And to find an appropriate pace for them. You absolutely do need to teach the basics but tbh the things I remember that I don't use every day came from the teacher, who went in a field they were passionate about, going off course and teaching us about something that wasn't in the textbook or the standards tests. Because they were interesting and they were things I actually cared about learning.
What we are seeing these days is a shit load of kids that have NO ambition what so ever... And it's because they feel they've been forced into their future worklife. And most of them are.
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Re: The "Unschooling Movement" -- Keep your kids out of school and let them learn whatever they want [Re: CookieCrumbs] 2
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Or... We should start basing schools around trades and hard skills again. Math, language, science, history, art, music, etc, only go so far in life. At the end of the day we need to have a skill or a niche that takes hard work and time to refine. This is what sets us apart from others and allow a company to pay higher wages. We should be teaching how to apply the academic skills to real life through new high end trade programs. Technology should be the core focus throughout every subject and skill.
We literally preach college to everyone and belittle trade schools and skills. When in fact... A certified automobile technician is more likely to own their own home than a 4 year college graduate. Yet, being a technician is "blue collar".
We need to make education less abstract and more hands on. It's not just about letting kids "try stuff" but provide an environment that is fully immersed into concrete examples that come from real professionals in the respective trades. We need to instill the notion that producing and engineering is the ultimate form of contribution to society.
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Re: The "Unschooling Movement" -- Keep your kids out of school and let them learn whatever they want [Re: daytripper05] 1
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I agree with this too. Which is why I encourage the "exploration" and "try everything" time to be in pre-highschool and evolve to more specific focuses as a child progresses in middle school.
I think an understanding in history is crucially important in understanding the world around us. Sociology should probably be paired into it, like economics and government are.
Understanding and practicing creativity is highly underrated. Studies show children that don't participate in creative art have lower test scores. Adults who do not participate in creativity are more likely to be depressed, stressed, have poorer memory concentration and focus, and even more likely to develop dementia. Creative art opens pathways in the brain that effect a person positively in both intelligence and mental health for their entire life.
That's one reason why the focus on memorization and reiteration irritates me so much. That is only one pathway in the brain. And if you don't use it you lose it.
School should be just as focused on teaching children how to live a happy and successful life as it is on having a career. Especially when you live in a "democracy". How do you expect the people to help determine the fate of the country when the only thing they were taught was memorization???
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Re: The "Unschooling Movement" -- Keep your kids out of school and let them learn whatever they want [Re: daytripper05]
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We need to make education less abstract and more hands on. It's not just about letting kids "try stuff" but provide an environment that is fully immersed into concrete examples that come from real professionals in the respective trades. We need to instill the notion that producing and engineering is the ultimate form of contribution to society.
But yeah this is what I really agree with. I dunno if I'd give a shit about biology and evolution if they didn't let me touch snakes and see aquariums.
I went really heavy into business administration in high school and career wise that's the only benefit I have. But if I judged my worth as a human being on my career I would kill myself right now. And it's not that I have a "bad" job. It's just that there is so much more to life than career.
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Re: The "Unschooling Movement" -- Keep your kids out of school and let them learn whatever they want [Re: CookieCrumbs]
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Totally agree with creativity too. I play music and a software engineer. I consider programming an art form just as much as it is math and logic. I think standardized testing was the ultimate downfall to our education system.
I did extremely poorly in school because I so bored and saw through the bullshit from 1st grade on. I knew I could extrapolate the nuggets and leave the rest. Sadly, most aren't able to do this.
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Re: The "Unschooling Movement" -- Keep your kids out of school and let them learn whatever they want [Re: CookieCrumbs]
#23906264 - 12/08/16 10:19 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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CookieCrumbs said: But if I judged my worth as a human being on my career I would kill myself right now. And it's not that I have a "bad" job. It's just that there is so much more to life than career.
I'm fortunate enough to love what I do, and my career affords me to live a better life than most at my age in this economy. I got lucky and started programming at age 12 and never went to college. I started my first business at 17, and have failed many time with them, but in the end I always come out on top. My career is everything right now, but it doesn't run my life.
I work from home and make my own hours. I subcontract my skills to companies that don't have good luck with hiring people. I can literally make as much or as little as I care to make in a given week. It wasn't just handed to me though. I work extremely hard to get here, but in the end it's totally worth it for me given the freedom I can work and live anywhere in the country I desire.
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Re: The "Unschooling Movement" -- Keep your kids out of school and let them learn whatever they want [Re: daytripper05]
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daytripper05 said: All I'm saying is you come across like you've already figured it all out and there is no conversation that will sway your existing opinion.
and yet you still have not showed us where my statements were false
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Re: The "Unschooling Movement" -- Keep your kids out of school and let them learn whatever they want [Re: CookieCrumbs]
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CookieCrumbs said: What happens in college and high school is young adults invest all this time and money into a field they ultimately don't give a shit about. And it's largely because no one seriously gave them the opportunity to understand what they wanted to do.
the world only needs just so many dinosaur experts that have studied nothing but dinosaurs for their entire lives. what happens when these folks need to pay their bills and cannot read, write or do math?
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Re: The "Unschooling Movement" -- Keep your kids out of school and let them learn whatever they want [Re: Prisoner#1]
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Next time I see it, i'll be sure to illustrate it for you.
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Re: The "Unschooling Movement" -- Keep your kids out of school and let them learn whatever they want [Re: daytripper05]
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That's funny cuz I actually got into web design when I was 16. Was a certified webmaster by the time I was 18. Had a bunch of college credits too. But I stopped and changed major because I realized I loathe coding. So much.
"why does my webpage look like it's hanging off the screen?" *spends 3 hours looking through code to find the one / that threw everything off* that has to be some form of torture 
But my mind really doesn't work that way. Hard formula has never been my strength. I like analytics, science, and statistics, but I just can't have that BE the point. I need something concrete. Something visual and tangible and touchable. Which is ultimately why I dropped out of college. My ecology major was torturing me too. Which... Wasn't going to be my career... Shame there is no ecoconervation trade school.
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Re: The "Unschooling Movement" -- Keep your kids out of school and let them learn whatever they want [Re: Webster10]
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Webster10 said: When I was in high school I took a class at the community college about this alternative childhood bullshit. Go through and read each case about this stupid hippy crap. It's the same situation in almost every case. Cuck-father let's cunt-wife dominate marriage and raise children contrary to how the rest of normal society does because cunt-wife feels that she was never accepted in normal society.
Look up the case where the baby was named, "storm." The cunt-wife literally took the entire family, cuck-father included into the god damn woods to live. The cunt-wife sent out a mass email saying she wouldn't reveal "storms" gender to anyone, leaving "it" free to decide what it wanted to be. How much do you want to fucking bet that "storm" is biologically a male?
Oh right, I forgot, we need the manly man to dominate the marriage. Can you express an idea without covering it from top to bottom with misogyny?
She has the right idea, the woods are a safe haven from the patriarchy. She's probably naturist and raising her kid that way as well, unlike some people on the shroomery. Yes, her kid; she suffered through labor to give birth to her/him so basically from my point of view the sperm donor should have very little in the way of say. You guys haven't smoked enough salvia to become enlightened.
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Re: The "Unschooling Movement" -- Keep your kids out of school and let them learn whatever they want [Re: Alyssa]
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lol youre sucha troll its too obvious. thats ok though shroomery is the perfec place for your ilk
my daughter will be attending a public school. and well provide further education when shes at home. luckily i have a job that allows me nearly my own schedule, so i get to see her a lot, play guitar for her, read, etc.. wouldnt want her to be homeschooled, or learn on her own,whatever the fuck thats about. theres something to be said about the system of learning in place, we can build from the established educational system, filling in the holes as parents.
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Re: The "Unschooling Movement" -- Keep your kids out of school and let them learn whatever they want [Re: Prisoner#1]
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CookieCrumbs said: What happens in college and high school is young adults invest all this time and money into a field they ultimately don't give a shit about. And it's largely because no one seriously gave them the opportunity to understand what they wanted to do.
the world only needs just so many dinosaur experts that have studied nothing but dinosaurs for their entire lives. what happens when these folks need to pay their bills and cannot read, write or do math?
Funny because plenty of people do that in college.
Why does every conservative I talk to say this? "no be what business needs you to be." and then berate me for my "communistic ideas" ?
I'm definitely saying they should learn more. Especially the basics. I think the basics are the only things that should have standardized testing. And be the required inflexible courses. But I'm saying they should be allowed to explore fields of interest when they're young and then combine that with career prediction as they get older.
Also we really should start appreciating abstract science more. As we continue to evolve there isn't going to be very much need for most blue collar workers and less white collar too, as robots build robots, so if we want to continue to advance as a race we'd better start fucking appreciating the specialists that strive to help us understand our world.
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Re: The "Unschooling Movement" -- Keep your kids out of school and let them learn whatever they want [Re: CookieCrumbs]
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Are american public schools really this bad? Surely not in all Counties? Maybe my school was abnormal but I felt like I learned a lot of stuff, though could have learned more for sure if they didn't have to teach at the level of morons but still, I learned far more than I would have just left in a room all day.
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Re: The "Unschooling Movement" -- Keep your kids out of school and let them learn whatever they want [Re: Ezuma]
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Ezuma said: Are american public schools really this bad? Surely not in all Counties? Maybe my school was abnormal but I felt like I learned a lot of stuff, though could have learned more for sure if they didn't have to teach at the level of morons but still, I learned far more than I would have just left in a room all day.
Nah, American public schools are not all bad, some are in fact really good, just as good as private schools. It all depends on how rich the city and county is. Schools in poor areas will obviously be severely underfunded and have outdated class material and textbooks. But then there are other cities where all the teachers have a minimum of a master's degree, some even with PhD's.
Also I'm posting in here again because I found this family on an episode of Dr. Phil (part 2, 3, 4, and 5 can also be found on YouTube).
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Re: The "Unschooling Movement" -- Keep your kids out of school and let them learn whatever they want [Re: daytripper05]
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daytripper05 said: Or... We should start basing schools around trades and hard skills again. Math, language, science, history, art, music, etc, only go so far in life. At the end of the day we need to have a skill or a niche that takes hard work and time to refine. This is what sets us apart from others and allow a company to pay higher wages. We should be teaching how to apply the academic skills to real life through new high end trade programs. Technology should be the core focus throughout every subject and skill.
We literally preach college to everyone and belittle trade schools and skills. When in fact... A certified automobile technician is more likely to own their own home than a 4 year college graduate. Yet, being a technician is "blue collar".
We need to make education less abstract and more hands on. It's not just about letting kids "try stuff" but provide an environment that is fully immersed into concrete examples that come from real professionals in the respective trades. We need to instill the notion that producing and engineering is the ultimate form of contribution to society.
Personally, I think this is exactly why children should be allowed to start working from like the age of 11 or 12.
Think about it. They have endless amounts of energy, that is around the age they start getting rebellious and want to have their own life separate from their parents, and this is the age that children WANT to work most, they WANT to be financially independent from their parents and make their own money.
If they were allowed to work, they could explore many different jobs while they are young, to help them give an idea of what it is they really want to do. Who knows, a lot of kids might find out they actually have a talent for cutting hair, or cooking, or they enjoy fixing cars, or handling animals or babies or something.
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CookieCrumbs said: I think the basics are the only things that should have standardized testing.
Isn't that what they already do? I don't recall ever having a standardized test on history or art, it was all math or english/writing ability.
Anyways I found this TED talk on unschooling too. I think traveling the world with your kid might be cool to do for a year or two and give them a lot of life experience and worldly lessons, to teach them a few things that school could never teach them... but for their entire lives?
There are just some things you can't learn through "real life world experience," like math and physics for instance.
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Re: The "Unschooling Movement" -- Keep your kids out of school and let them learn whatever they want [Re: CookieCrumbs]
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CookieCrumbs said: I know this isn't the conversation but I think it's a really good idea to teach kids what they're interested in. If they like dinosaurs teach them about paleontology. If they like gorillas teach them about evolution and primate interactions. If they like drawing teach them about art. If they like music teach them how to compose. Or music theory or history or whatever they seem to gravitate toward. Encourage their interest and willingness to learn. Not just reward it, FEED IT make them hungry to learn more.
I think one of the biggest problems in standard education is there is no flexibility and very little individuality.
What do you teach them if they like smoking weed and masturbating all the time?
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Re: The "Unschooling Movement" -- Keep your kids out of school and let them learn whatever they want [Re: moonrockmushy] 2
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I recommend for people who are interested in this subject matter to read Dumbing Us Down and Escape from Childhood.
The idea that children should be allowed to learn in an organic way that eschews compulsory education has a lot of merit. The public education model as implemented presently is devastating to many children. Many of them have developed mental disorders and have to be put on chemical restraints to function in our public schools.
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Re: The "Unschooling Movement" -- Keep your kids out of school and let them learn whatever they want [Re: Crystal G]
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Crystal G said: Personally, I think this is exactly why children should be allowed to start working from like the age of 11 or 12.
Think about it. They have endless amounts of energy, that is around the age they start getting rebellious and want to have their own life separate from their parents, and this is the age that children WANT to work most, they WANT to be financially independent from their parents and make their own money.
I've worked with Mennonites at a couple of different rural jobs and this is pretty much what they did, except I think the parents saved the money away for them until they were adults.
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Re: The "Unschooling Movement" -- Keep your kids out of school and let them learn whatever they want [Re: TheFakeSunRa]
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TheFakeSunRa said: I recommend for people who are interested in this subject matter to read Dumbing Us Down and Escape from Childhood.
The idea that children should be allowed to learn in an organic way that eschews compulsory education has a lot of merit. The public education model as implemented presently is devastating to many children. Many of them have developed mental disorders and have to be put on chemical restraints to function in our public schools.
Many of them have developed mental disorders and have to be put on chemical restraints to function in our public schools. Yeah you can change "children" to adults and "public schools" with "society as a whole."
I think school is important for children because it allows them to interact with others and gain interpersonal skills/knowledge. Also they understand and get a feel for how authority figures other than their parents operate.
To get bullied and teased or fucked with a little is a good thing as well. For most kids its like a transitional boot camp from baby/childhood to adolescence. Your momma aint there to protect you, people aint fair/nice all the time, your actions have consequences you have to deal with. You have to figure out how to hold your own. Honestly kids on the playground dont act all that different from adults out in the real world.
I mean as adults we still experience the same emotions as we did when we were children..of course ideally we handle them more efficiently as adults. You experience the same things in varying degrees as a child vs. adult. Social structure, hierarchies, we see/experience different emotions in others and with others. Fear, anger, rage, desperation, sadness, homesty, dishonesty, jealousy, envy, comradery, rivalry, embarrassment, pride...
School has also taught me the basics and allowed me to be introduced to new materials and ideas. Gives you ideas of things you like to do and possibly excel at. For example in school i learned that i enjoy and have a talent for art. That skill/interest was directly cultivated by routinely being given an objective with guidelines and a little freedom to make it my own. I found a sense of direction.
After being exposed to new things in school, i took them way further by myself and learned a lot more out of school actually doing things on my own. So freedom in the classrom environment is important to effective learning/skill development, yet you need some stucture, rules guidelines parameters.
There was a TED talk i watched that mentioned how a lot of big companies like google allow a program where they give workers the option to work on or do whatever project they want for a period of time. They are given a LOT of freedom, they decided how long or even if they wanted to go into work/office.
Repeatedly that practice has yielded many new ideas/things/programs for companies. Particularly at google, they named off a lot of things created that way
Very cool ted talk, it went on to explain the relationship between motivation and money. How we sometimes narrow our scope when we are being paid to do something vs. doing something we want. They gave all kinds of interesting examples. One cool example was about how i think encyclopedia Britannica was putting all this effort and money in early 2000s to create an encyclopedia for the computer/online to sell/market to consumers. It flopped miserably and then Wikipedia came out shortly after. And as we all know wiki is free and something made by personal choice of individuals to spread/add information freely.
Im reminds me of Ben Franklin who made his fortune off his company/companies and not from his inventions. He created a lot of inventions, not for financial gain but for himself and specifically for the benefit of all mankind.
Also there was another study with boys who didnt preform well in school. They were allowed to do tasks of their choosing, things they enjoy. They preformed/did things that demonstrated much greater cognitive abilities than when compared to the things they were forced/didnt want to do.
How many fucking 11 year old/ C students out there who play and remember all the specifics about these super intricate video games.
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Re: The "Unschooling Movement" -- Keep your kids out of school and let them learn whatever they want [Re: Mush 4 Brains]
#23912562 - 12/10/16 09:37 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Isnt this illegal as shit? Like isn't there a law where you have to send them to at least public education or you like get arrested? I'm all for learning about alternative subjects, Minds are built different, different learning styles, but no school? That's how those fucking swamp people live wtf
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Re: The "Unschooling Movement" -- Keep your kids out of school and let them learn whatever they want [Re: Mush 4 Brains]
#23912567 - 12/10/16 09:37 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Good post
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I think school is important for children because it allows them to interact with others and gain interpersonal skills/knowledge. Also they understand and get a feel for how authority figures other than their parents operate.
Does this take 35 hours a week minus vacation for 16 years?
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Re: The "Unschooling Movement" -- Keep your kids out of school and let them learn whatever they want [Re: Crystal G]
#23912574 - 12/10/16 09:41 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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In this day and age I think people should be required to learn basic language and skills
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Re: The "Unschooling Movement" -- Keep your kids out of school and let them learn whatever they want [Re: Crystal G] 1
#23912595 - 12/10/16 09:49 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Ezuma said: Are american public schools really this bad? Surely not in all Counties? Maybe my school was abnormal but I felt like I learned a lot of stuff, though could have learned more for sure if they didn't have to teach at the level of morons but still, I learned far more than I would have just left in a room all day.
Nah, American public schools are not all bad, some are in fact really good, just as good as private schools. It all depends on how rich the city and county is. Schools in poor areas will obviously be severely underfunded and have outdated class material and textbooks. But then there are other cities where all the teachers have a minimum of a master's degree, some even with PhD's.
the type of degree a teacher has doesnt make them a good teacher and the funding for most schools is based on test scores, in the inner city schools you generally have low test scores because of shitty parenting, outside influences and kids that dont want to be associated as the 'brain'. yeah, strange that peer pressure will make kids today a bunch of retards but it's a major part of black culture in the inner city and even in rural areas where these younger blacks are trying so hard to emulate what the city kids are doing
this is one of the results of testing based budgets https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlanta_Public_Schools_cheating_scandal
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Re: The "Unschooling Movement" -- Keep your kids out of school and let them learn whatever they want [Re: Mescalean]
#23912604 - 12/10/16 09:54 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Mescalean said: Isnt this illegal as shit? Like isn't there a law where you have to send them to at least public education or you like get arrested? I'm all for learning about alternative subjects, Minds are built different, different learning styles, but no school? That's how those fucking swamp people live wtf
no, there is a requirement that the kids are educated to the states standards. a friend of min just had one of his kids graduate from an online school course, she's a brilliant kid, her education exceeds what the schools would have provided her, some home schooled kids also have better education than their public/private school counterparts. most do not though because the parents take the same approach as the 'unschooled' parents are taking.
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Re: The "Unschooling Movement" -- Keep your kids out of school and let them learn whatever they want [Re: SunnyD]
#23912621 - 12/10/16 10:01 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Watch the movie
Captain Fantastic
It's a similar idea but the kids know how to do more skilled things than kids in a government provided curriculum schooling do, like hunt, identify plants, they read endlessly on tons of different subjects on their own and many other things.
Just because your kids aren't going to a school where the government provides the curriculum, doesn't mean they aren't learning anything.
A child would learn more useful things travelling the world with their parents than sitting in a classroom, most likely in some shit small town, learning government mandated curriculum.
And children are naturally curious, if i never went to a public school, i could habe been home learning multiple languages, building computers, learning programming, going hunting, reading and learning any subject i was curious in at home rather than the lies they teach you in history class and the 45 minutes of required floor hockey at a public school. Not in a setting designed to mold you into an obedient and submissive person that ends of getting pushed into going to college or the military.
You would think more for yourself instead of being inside the boundaries of the current education system.
I say good for those parents.
Break the mold.
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Re: The "Unschooling Movement" -- Keep your kids out of school and let them learn whatever they want [Re: Prisoner#1]
#23912627 - 12/10/16 10:04 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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The punishments those teachers received (although bargained down) are insanely draconian. That shit is straight up Maoism. However, it's not directly school funding that's at stake. Just teacher evaluations and relatively small bonuses tied in with school grades. That those teachers cared enough to commit that kind of fraud rivals their sentencing for insanity. I think most of them were just mindlessly doing what was expected of them completely unaware of potential ramifications. Albeit a long time ago, I went to school close to there. It was so twisted nobody knew what was going on.
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Re: The "Unschooling Movement" -- Keep your kids out of school and let them learn whatever they want [Re: Prisoner#1]
#23912639 - 12/10/16 10:07 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Mescalean said: Isnt this illegal as shit? Like isn't there a law where you have to send them to at least public education or you like get arrested? I'm all for learning about alternative subjects, Minds are built different, different learning styles, but no school? That's how those fucking swamp people live wtf
no, there is a requirement that the kids are educated to the states standards. a friend of min just had one of his kids graduate from an online school course, she's a brilliant kid, her education exceeds what the schools would have provided her, some home schooled kids also have better education than their public/private school counterparts. most do not though because the parents take the same approach as the 'unschooled' parents are taking.
I have heard of a few instances in person like that. Almost like the child couldn't function in normal school because the absorb information and want to move on. So the no school people are breaking the law though correct? I don't think they are meeting the states standards.
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Re: The "Unschooling Movement" -- Keep your kids out of school and let them learn whatever they want [Re: TheFakeSunRa]
#23912718 - 12/10/16 10:40 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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TheFakeSunRa said: Good post
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I think school is important for children because it allows them to interact with others and gain interpersonal skills/knowledge. Also they understand and get a feel for how authority figures other than their parents operate.
Does this take 35 hours a week minus vacation for 16 years?
Hey thanks and hell no! Unfortunately it could be considered training for typical adult life, a life many adults hate btw. They say americans work longer and sleep the least in comparison to all other countries.
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Re: The "Unschooling Movement" -- Keep your kids out of school and let them learn whatever they want [Re: Mescalean]
#23912988 - 12/10/16 12:26 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Mescalean said: Isnt this illegal as shit? Like isn't there a law where you have to send them to at least public education or you like get arrested? I'm all for learning about alternative subjects, Minds are built different, different learning styles, but no school? That's how those fucking swamp people live wtf
What? No. Haven't you ever heard of homeschooling? I was homeschooled until I was 12.
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Re: The "Unschooling Movement" -- Keep your kids out of school and let them learn whatever they want [Re: Big Worm]
#23913034 - 12/10/16 12:50 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Big Worm said: if i never went to a public school, i could habe been home learning multiple languages, building computers, learning programming, going hunting, reading and learning any subject i was curious in at home rather than the lies they teach you in history class
HABE?
when I was in public schools I learned how to make a silencer from a lawnmower muffler and steel wool, I learned to smoke weed, I learned how to make a bomb, I learned how to make fireworks, I learned to hunt, I learned to fish, I learned to do a great many things that were not on the curriculum because I didnt learn those things in school, my entire life wasnt spent in school until the day of graduation, after 3pm I got to go home, I also get 3 months out of school for the summer so I really feel bad for you since you clearly never got to leave your desk for 12 years
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Re: The "Unschooling Movement" -- Keep your kids out of school and let them learn whatever they want [Re: Mescalean]
#23913038 - 12/10/16 12:53 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Mescalean said: Isnt this illegal as shit? Like isn't there a law where you have to send them to at least public education or you like get arrested? I'm all for learning about alternative subjects, Minds are built different, different learning styles, but no school? That's how those fucking swamp people live wtf
no, there is a requirement that the kids are educated to the states standards. a friend of min just had one of his kids graduate from an online school course, she's a brilliant kid, her education exceeds what the schools would have provided her, some home schooled kids also have better education than their public/private school counterparts. most do not though because the parents take the same approach as the 'unschooled' parents are taking.
I have heard of a few instances in person like that. Almost like the child couldn't function in normal school because the absorb information and want to move on. So the no school people are breaking the law though correct? I don't think they are meeting the states standards.
no, they arent. nearly every state has a provision for home schooling, certain criteria has to be met, since we dont actually see how these kids are doing we cant say that they meet the criteria or dont meet it.
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Re: The "Unschooling Movement" -- Keep your kids out of school and let them learn whatever they want [Re: Crystal G] 1
#23913074 - 12/10/16 01:08 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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TheFakeSunRa said: I recommend for people who are interested in this subject matter to read Dumbing Us Down and Escape from Childhood.
The idea that children should be allowed to learn in an organic way that eschews compulsory education has a lot of merit. The public education model as implemented presently is devastating to many children. Many of them have developed mental disorders and have to be put on chemical restraints to function in our public schools.
Funny enough I actually dropped out of college because I had some sort of PTSD flashback meltdown from my elementary days come up from me overworking my brain in a way it was not meant to be worked. Not joking. That shit triggered depression I had only just recently got out of.
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CookieCrumbs said: I know this isn't the conversation but I think it's a really good idea to teach kids what they're interested in. If they like dinosaurs teach them about paleontology. If they like gorillas teach them about evolution and primate interactions. If they like drawing teach them about art. If they like music teach them how to compose. Or music theory or history or whatever they seem to gravitate toward. Encourage their interest and willingness to learn. Not just reward it, FEED IT make them hungry to learn more.
I think one of the biggest problems in standard education is there is no flexibility and very little individuality.
What do you teach them if they like smoking weed and masturbating all the time?
Organic chemistry and botany of course.
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CookieCrumbs said: I think the basics are the only things that should have standardized testing.
Isn't that what they already do? I don't recall ever having a standardized test on history or art, it was all math or english/writing ability.
Anyways I found this TED talk on unschooling too. I think traveling the world with your kid might be cool to do for a year or two and give them a lot of life experience and worldly lessons, to teach them a few things that school could never teach them... but for their entire lives?
There are just some things you can't learn through "real life world experience," like math and physics for instance.
Kind of. But the rest of education, by and large, is structured to a standard with standard tests that local governments still oversee. So like, on a federal level yes, on a local level, it's still mostly standardized. There are probably a handful of strange uncommon classes that are not. I took mythology in 8th grade and I don't think it had any structure at all. Probably would have been fun if the teacher wasn't looking at everything from a standardized english core perspective.
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Re: The "Unschooling Movement" -- Keep your kids out of school and let them learn whatever they want [Re: Prisoner#1]
#23913185 - 12/10/16 01:49 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Big Worm said: if i never went to a public school, i could habe been home learning multiple languages, building computers, learning programming, going hunting, reading and learning any subject i was curious in at home rather than the lies they teach you in history class
HABE?
when I was in public schools I learned how to make a silencer from a lawnmower muffler and steel wool, I learned to smoke weed, I learned how to make a bomb, I learned how to make fireworks, I learned to hunt, I learned to fish, I learned to do a great many things that were not on the curriculum because I didnt learn those things in school, my entire life wasnt spent in school until the day of graduation, after 3pm I got to go home, I also get 3 months out of school for the summer so I really feel bad for you since you clearly never got to leave your desk for 12 years
Yeah, the parents should be the ones raising children at the end of the day, filling in the blanks and etc... Taxes, table manners, ass wiping, thats the parents job.
Not really commenting on the current education system as Im not acquainted with it, but generally if theyre using 8hrs of your time 200 days x 12 years, there should be a lot to show for it. Otherwise schoos are just poorly managed day cares. I agree with crystal that people should begin working younger, apprenticing in a trade. I also agree with a few people that trades should come before more abstract jobs which need a smaller workforce anyways.
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Re: The "Unschooling Movement" -- Keep your kids out of school and let them learn whatever they want [Re: Repertoire89]
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schoos are just poorly managed day cares
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Re: The "Unschooling Movement" -- Keep your kids out of school and let them learn whatever they want [Re: hostileuniverse] 2
#23913192 - 12/10/16 01:50 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Too coo foo schoo
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