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Re: The "Unschooling Movement" -- Keep your kids out of school and let them learn whatever they want [Re: TheFakeSunRa]
    #23912542 - 12/10/16 09:29 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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I recommend for people who are interested in this subject matter to read Dumbing Us Down and Escape from Childhood.

The idea that children should be allowed to learn in an organic way that eschews compulsory education has a lot of merit. The public education model as implemented presently is devastating to many children. Many of them have developed mental disorders and have to be put on chemical restraints to function in our public schools.




Many of them have developed mental disorders and have to be put on chemical restraints to function in our public schools.
Yeah you can change "children" to adults and "public schools" with "society as a whole."

I think school is important for children because it allows them to interact with others and gain interpersonal skills/knowledge. Also they understand and get a feel for how authority figures other than their parents operate.

To get bullied and teased or fucked with a little is a good thing as well. For most kids its like a transitional boot camp from baby/childhood to adolescence. Your momma aint there to protect you, people aint fair/nice all the time, your actions have consequences you have to deal with. You have to figure out how to hold your own. Honestly kids on the playground dont act all that different from adults out in the real world.

I mean as adults we still experience the same emotions as we did when we were children..of course ideally we handle them more efficiently as adults. You experience the same things in varying degrees as a child vs. adult. Social structure, hierarchies, we see/experience different emotions in others and with others.  Fear, anger, rage, desperation, sadness, homesty, dishonesty, jealousy, envy, comradery, rivalry, embarrassment, pride...

School has also taught me the basics and allowed me to be introduced to new materials and ideas. Gives you ideas of things you like to do and possibly excel at. For example in school i learned that i enjoy and have a talent for art. That skill/interest was directly cultivated by routinely being given an objective with guidelines and a little freedom to make it my own. I found a sense of direction.

After being exposed to new things in school, i took them way further by myself and learned a lot more out of school actually doing things on my own. So freedom in the classrom environment is important to effective learning/skill development, yet you need some stucture, rules guidelines parameters.

There was a TED talk i watched that mentioned how a lot of big companies like google allow a program where they give workers the option to work on or do whatever project they want for a period of time. They are given a LOT of freedom, they decided how long or even if they wanted to go into work/office.

Repeatedly that practice has yielded many new ideas/things/programs for companies. Particularly at google, they named off a lot of things created that way

Very cool ted talk, it went on to explain the relationship between motivation and money. How we sometimes narrow our scope when we are being paid to do something vs. doing something we want. They gave all kinds of interesting examples. One cool example was about how i think encyclopedia Britannica was putting all this effort and money in early 2000s to create an encyclopedia for the computer/online to sell/market to consumers. It flopped miserably and then Wikipedia came out shortly after. And as we all know wiki is free and something made by personal choice of individuals to spread/add information freely.

Im reminds me of Ben Franklin who made his fortune off his company/companies and not from his inventions. He created a lot of inventions, not for financial gain but for himself and specifically for the benefit of all mankind.

Also there was another study with boys who didnt preform well in school. They were allowed to do tasks of their choosing, things they enjoy. They preformed/did things that demonstrated much greater cognitive abilities than when compared to the things they were forced/didnt want to do.

How many fucking 11 year old/ C students out there who play and remember all the specifics about these super intricate video games.


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Re: The "Unschooling Movement" -- Keep your kids out of school and let them learn whatever they want [Re: Mush 4 Brains]
    #23912562 - 12/10/16 09:37 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Isnt this illegal as shit? Like isn't there a law where you have to send them to at least public education or you like get arrested? I'm all for learning about alternative subjects, Minds are built different, different learning styles, but no school? That's how those fucking swamp people live wtf


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Re: The "Unschooling Movement" -- Keep your kids out of school and let them learn whatever they want [Re: Mush 4 Brains]
    #23912567 - 12/10/16 09:37 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Good post

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I think school is important for children because it allows them to interact with others and gain interpersonal skills/knowledge. Also they understand and get a feel for how authority figures other than their parents operate.




Does this take 35 hours a week minus vacation for 16 years?


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You constantly make posts thatr fling middle school insults at people you don't like mixed in with maladjusted psychopathic comments about wanting to beat up the other poster with a crowbar.

You know how shit you are, you just don't give a fuck for precisely that reason.

I disendorse you.[/quote]


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Re: The "Unschooling Movement" -- Keep your kids out of school and let them learn whatever they want [Re: Crystal G]
    #23912574 - 12/10/16 09:41 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

In this day and age I think people should be required to learn basic language and skills


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Re: The "Unschooling Movement" -- Keep your kids out of school and let them learn whatever they want [Re: Crystal G] * 1
    #23912595 - 12/10/16 09:49 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Are american public schools really this bad? Surely not in all Counties?
Maybe my school was abnormal but I felt like I learned a lot of stuff, though could have learned more for sure if they didn't have to teach at the level of morons but still, I learned far more than I would have just left in a room all day.




Nah, American public schools are not all bad, some are in fact really good, just as good as private schools. It all depends on how rich the city and county is. Schools in poor areas will obviously be severely underfunded and have outdated class material and textbooks. But then there are other cities where all the teachers have a minimum of a master's degree, some even with PhD's.





the type of degree a teacher has doesnt make them a good teacher and the funding
for most schools is based on test scores, in the inner city schools you generally
have low test scores because of shitty parenting, outside influences and kids that
dont want to be associated as the 'brain'. yeah, strange that peer pressure will
make kids today a bunch of retards but it's a major part of black culture in the
inner city and even in rural areas where these younger blacks are trying so hard
to emulate what the city kids are doing

this is one of the results of testing based budgets
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlanta_Public_Schools_cheating_scandal


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Re: The "Unschooling Movement" -- Keep your kids out of school and let them learn whatever they want [Re: Mescalean]
    #23912604 - 12/10/16 09:54 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Mescalean said:
Isnt this illegal as shit? Like isn't there a law where you have to send them to at least public education or you like get arrested? I'm all for learning about alternative subjects, Minds are built different, different learning styles, but no school? That's how those fucking swamp people live wtf





no, there is a requirement that the kids are educated to the states standards. a
friend of min just had one of his kids graduate from an online school course, she's
a brilliant kid, her education exceeds what the schools would have provided her,
some home schooled kids also have better education than their public/private school
counterparts. most do not though because the parents take the same approach as the
'unschooled' parents are taking.


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Re: The "Unschooling Movement" -- Keep your kids out of school and let them learn whatever they want [Re: SunnyD]
    #23912621 - 12/10/16 10:01 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Watch the movie

Captain Fantastic




It's a similar idea but the kids know how to do more skilled things than kids in a government provided curriculum schooling do, like hunt, identify plants, they read endlessly on tons of different subjects on their own and many other things.


Just because your kids aren't going to a school where the government provides the curriculum, doesn't mean they aren't learning anything.   

A child would learn more useful things travelling the world with their parents than sitting in a classroom, most likely in some shit small town, learning government mandated curriculum. 


And children are naturally curious,  if i never went to a public school, i could habe been home learning multiple languages, building computers, learning programming, going hunting, reading and learning any subject i was curious in at home rather than the lies they teach you in history class and the 45 minutes of required floor hockey at a public school.  Not in a setting designed to mold you into an obedient and submissive person that ends of getting pushed into going to college or the military. 

You would think more for yourself instead of being inside the boundaries of the current education system.



I say good for those parents. 

Break the mold.


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Re: The "Unschooling Movement" -- Keep your kids out of school and let them learn whatever they want [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23912627 - 12/10/16 10:04 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

The punishments those teachers received (although bargained down) are insanely draconian. That shit is straight up Maoism. However, it's not directly school funding that's at stake. Just teacher evaluations and relatively small bonuses tied in with school grades. That those teachers cared enough to commit that kind of fraud rivals their sentencing for insanity. I think most of them were just mindlessly doing what was expected of them completely unaware of potential ramifications. Albeit a long time ago, I went to school close to there. It was so twisted nobody knew what was going on.


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[quote]Asante said:
You constantly make posts thatr fling middle school insults at people you don't like mixed in with maladjusted psychopathic comments about wanting to beat up the other poster with a crowbar.

You know how shit you are, you just don't give a fuck for precisely that reason.

I disendorse you.[/quote]


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Re: The "Unschooling Movement" -- Keep your kids out of school and let them learn whatever they want [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23912639 - 12/10/16 10:07 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Prisoner#1 said:
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Mescalean said:
Isnt this illegal as shit? Like isn't there a law where you have to send them to at least public education or you like get arrested? I'm all for learning about alternative subjects, Minds are built different, different learning styles, but no school? That's how those fucking swamp people live wtf





no, there is a requirement that the kids are educated to the states standards. a
friend of min just had one of his kids graduate from an online school course, she's
a brilliant kid, her education exceeds what the schools would have provided her,
some home schooled kids also have better education than their public/private school
counterparts. most do not though because the parents take the same approach as the
'unschooled' parents are taking.




I have heard of a few instances in person like that. Almost like the child couldn't function in normal school because the absorb information and want to move on. So the no school people are breaking the law though correct? I don't think they are meeting the states standards.


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Re: The "Unschooling Movement" -- Keep your kids out of school and let them learn whatever they want [Re: TheFakeSunRa]
    #23912718 - 12/10/16 10:40 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Good post

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I think school is important for children because it allows them to interact with others and gain interpersonal skills/knowledge. Also they understand and get a feel for how authority figures other than their parents operate.




Does this take 35 hours a week minus vacation for 16 years?



Hey thanks and hell no! Unfortunately it could be considered training for typical adult life, a life many adults hate btw. They say americans work longer and sleep the least in comparison to all other countries.


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Re: The "Unschooling Movement" -- Keep your kids out of school and let them learn whatever they want [Re: Mescalean]
    #23912988 - 12/10/16 12:26 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Mescalean said:
Isnt this illegal as shit? Like isn't there a law where you have to send them to at least public education or you like get arrested? I'm all for learning about alternative subjects, Minds are built different, different learning styles, but no school? That's how those fucking swamp people live wtf



What? No. Haven't you ever heard of homeschooling? I was homeschooled until I was 12.


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Re: The "Unschooling Movement" -- Keep your kids out of school and let them learn whatever they want [Re: Big Worm]
    #23913034 - 12/10/16 12:50 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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if i never went to a public school, i could habe been home learning multiple languages, building computers, learning programming, going hunting, reading and learning any subject i was curious in at home rather than the lies they teach you in history class





HABE?


when I was in public schools I learned how to make a silencer from a lawnmower
muffler and steel wool, I learned to smoke weed, I learned how to make a bomb, I
learned how to make fireworks, I learned to hunt, I learned to fish, I learned to
do a great many things that were not on the curriculum because I didnt learn those
things in school, my entire life wasnt spent in school until the day of
graduation, after 3pm I got to go home, I also get 3 months out of school for the
summer so I really feel bad for you since you clearly never got to leave your desk
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Re: The "Unschooling Movement" -- Keep your kids out of school and let them learn whatever they want [Re: Mescalean]
    #23913038 - 12/10/16 12:53 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Mescalean said:
Quote:

Prisoner#1 said:
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Mescalean said:
Isnt this illegal as shit? Like isn't there a law where you have to send them to at least public education or you like get arrested? I'm all for learning about alternative subjects, Minds are built different, different learning styles, but no school? That's how those fucking swamp people live wtf





no, there is a requirement that the kids are educated to the states standards. a
friend of min just had one of his kids graduate from an online school course, she's
a brilliant kid, her education exceeds what the schools would have provided her,
some home schooled kids also have better education than their public/private school
counterparts. most do not though because the parents take the same approach as the
'unschooled' parents are taking.




I have heard of a few instances in person like that. Almost like the child couldn't function in normal school because the absorb information and want to move on. So the no school people are breaking the law though correct? I don't think they are meeting the states standards.





no, they arent. nearly every state has a provision for home schooling, certain
criteria has to be met, since we dont actually see how these kids are doing we
cant say that they meet the criteria or dont meet it.


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Re: The "Unschooling Movement" -- Keep your kids out of school and let them learn whatever they want [Re: Crystal G] * 1
    #23913074 - 12/10/16 01:08 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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TheFakeSunRa said:
I recommend for people who are interested in this subject matter to read Dumbing Us Down and Escape from Childhood.

The idea that children should be allowed to learn in an organic way that eschews compulsory education has a lot of merit. The public education model as implemented presently is devastating to many children. Many of them have developed mental disorders and have to be put on chemical restraints to function in our public schools.




Funny enough I actually dropped out of college because I had some sort of PTSD flashback meltdown from my elementary days come up from me overworking my brain in a way it was not meant to be worked.
Not joking. That shit triggered depression I had only just recently got out of.


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I know this isn't the conversation but I think it's a really good idea to teach kids what they're interested in. If they like dinosaurs teach them about paleontology. If they like gorillas teach them about evolution and primate interactions. If they like drawing teach them about art. If they like music teach them how to compose. Or music theory or history or whatever they seem to gravitate toward. Encourage their interest and willingness to learn. Not just reward it, FEED IT make them hungry to learn more.


I think one of the biggest problems in standard education is there is no flexibility and very little individuality.




What do you teach them if they like smoking weed and masturbating all the time?




Organic chemistry and botany of course.


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I think the basics are the only things that should have standardized testing.




Isn't that what they already do? I don't recall ever having a standardized test on history or art, it was all math or english/writing ability.



Anyways I found this TED talk on unschooling too. I think traveling the world with your kid might be cool to do for a year or two and give them a lot of life experience and worldly lessons, to teach them a few things that school could never teach them... but for their entire lives?

There are just some things you can't learn through "real life world experience," like math and physics for instance.






Kind of. But the rest of education, by and large, is structured to a standard with standard tests that local governments still oversee. So like, on a federal level yes, on a local level, it's still mostly standardized. There are probably a handful of strange uncommon classes that are not. I took mythology in 8th grade and I don't think it had any structure at all. Probably would have been fun if the teacher wasn't looking at everything from a standardized english core perspective.


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Re: The "Unschooling Movement" -- Keep your kids out of school and let them learn whatever they want [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23913185 - 12/10/16 01:49 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Big Worm said:
if i never went to a public school, i could habe been home learning multiple languages, building computers, learning programming, going hunting, reading and learning any subject i was curious in at home rather than the lies they teach you in history class





HABE?


when I was in public schools I learned how to make a silencer from a lawnmower
muffler and steel wool, I learned to smoke weed, I learned how to make a bomb, I
learned how to make fireworks, I learned to hunt, I learned to fish, I learned to
do a great many things that were not on the curriculum because I didnt learn those
things in school, my entire life wasnt spent in school until the day of
graduation, after 3pm I got to go home, I also get 3 months out of school for the
summer so I really feel bad for you since you clearly never got to leave your desk
for 12 years




Yeah, the parents should be the ones raising children at the end of the day, filling in the blanks and etc...
Taxes, table manners, ass wiping, thats the parents job.


Not really commenting on the current education system as Im not acquainted with it, but generally if theyre using 8hrs of your time 200 days x 12 years, there should be a lot to show for it. Otherwise schoos are just poorly managed day cares. I agree with crystal that people should begin working younger, apprenticing in a trade. I also agree with a few people that trades should come before more abstract jobs which need a smaller workforce anyways.


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Re: The "Unschooling Movement" -- Keep your kids out of school and let them learn whatever they want [Re: Repertoire89]
    #23913189 - 12/10/16 01:49 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: The "Unschooling Movement" -- Keep your kids out of school and let them learn whatever they want [Re: hostileuniverse] * 2
    #23913192 - 12/10/16 01:50 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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