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Re: The "Unschooling Movement" -- Keep your kids out of school and let them learn whatever they want [Re: daytripper05]
    #23903423 - 12/07/16 01:39 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I remember they taught us about credit and taxes in 8th grade science and I never saw it again. ...well i took a finance elective but that doesn't count. In high school the focus is mostly on prepping for college and career. But really you have to go out of your way than to get anything but the basics. I remember learning more advanced history science and english concepts, as well as more relevant ones, before highschool. Which is sad since highschool is supposed to prepare you for life.


I was behind in math but in everything else it really felt like absolutely nothing was new. Until I took government in my Junior year. Which really only taught me I didn't want to get into government. Speaking of which, because of my disgraphia and auditory processing disorder I was allowed to receive a copy of lecture notes. My teacher would print them out every week for me.


It didn't take me long to realize the tests were just fill in the blank from the notes in the exact same order. All I had to do was memorize the words... Not understand the concepts. Right sad really.

I could learn, I just needed more individual attention and time... Teachers didn't have time for that shit so they often "cheated." andnot just for me.


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Re: The "Unschooling Movement" -- Keep your kids out of school and let them learn whatever they want [Re: CookieCrumbs]
    #23903442 - 12/07/16 01:42 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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CookieCrumbs said:
I know this isn't the conversation but I think it's a really good idea to teach kids what they're interested in. If they like dinosaurs teach them about paleontology. If they like gorillas teach them about evolution and primate interactions. If they like drawing teach them about art. If they like music teach them how to compose. Or music theory or history or whatever they seem to gravitate toward. Encourage their interest and willingness to learn. Not just reward it, FEED IT make them hungry to learn more.


I think one of the biggest problems in standard education is there is no flexibility and very little individuality.



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Re: The "Unschooling Movement" -- Keep your kids out of school and let them learn whatever they want [Re: A.RichardTrickle]
    #23904567 - 12/07/16 06:32 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Very well said, but we know how kids are.. One min they will love dinosaurs,bugs,drawing or whatever but wait 6 months and they are not interested in it. Which is why I think school is just as important as upbringing from parents. It gives children social skills, key elements of learning like math, grammar, history, social studies, science, and much more. We need these basic teachings as children IMO.
There will always be choices to do what you want, which will always change for the most part until you can really put your finger on what it is you want as a career.
Most adults today dont know what they want in life and just choose a career that they can fall into easily.
They also have to know that not every child is capable of everything. To tell a kid they can do anything if they put their mind to it and work hard for it is one of the biggest lies you could tell a child. Its almost like setting up for failure in a lot of ways. Thats not to say dont motivate children to do things they are interested in but dont spoon feed them garbage like "you can be anything if you set your mind to it" because if/when they fail it wont be like their entire lifes ambition is in the toilet.
No matter what age, the mind should always be open and willing to learn and progress.

Maybe I sound like an idiot but ah well.
I hope noone is offended by what I said, its just how I feel and wont ever attack someone for a different opinion.


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Re: The "Unschooling Movement" -- Keep your kids out of school and let them learn whatever they want [Re: Crystal G] * 4
    #23904629 - 12/07/16 06:47 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Back in my day we called this movement "skipping".


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Re: The "Unschooling Movement" -- Keep your kids out of school and let them learn whatever they want [Re: Crystal G]
    #23904974 - 12/07/16 08:12 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

It would be interesting to see an experiment on the effectiveness of this.  I think a lot of it would depend on the environment in the home.  The parents have this attitude of "let them do whatever they want."  If they're going to do that, I think they need to remove TV and electronic entertainment from the home at the very least.


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Re: The "Unschooling Movement" -- Keep your kids out of school and let them learn whatever they want [Re: Crystal G]
    #23905079 - 12/07/16 08:38 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

We need a total overhaul of our school system. Grades K-4 are fine, but everything past that is just a complete trainwreck disaster. Like, in first grade you learn shit like numbers and counting and clocks and reading, all of that is really good critical stuff that a kid needs to learn. But what the fuck do you learn in high school? Mainly how to bang the opposite sex with an optional course in drugs, nicotine, and alcohol. Our school system past about 4th grade is just completely fucked.


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Re: The "Unschooling Movement" -- Keep your kids out of school and let them learn whatever they want [Re: nooneman] * 2
    #23905083 - 12/07/16 08:39 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Those are important skills too though.


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Re: The "Unschooling Movement" -- Keep your kids out of school and let them learn whatever they want [Re: Apostle]
    #23905090 - 12/07/16 08:40 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

This is true. This is very true.


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Re: The "Unschooling Movement" -- Keep your kids out of school and let them learn whatever they want [Re: CookieCrumbs]
    #23905092 - 12/07/16 08:40 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

CookieCrumbs said:
I remember they taught us about credit and taxes in 8th grade science and I never saw it again. ...well i took a finance elective but that doesn't count. In high school the focus is mostly on prepping for college and career. But really you have to go out of your way than to get anything but the basics. I remember learning more advanced history science and english concepts, as well as more relevant ones, before highschool. Which is sad since highschool is supposed to prepare you for life.


I was behind in math but in everything else it really felt like absolutely nothing was new. Until I took government in my Junior year. Which really only taught me I didn't want to get into government. Speaking of which, because of my disgraphia and auditory processing disorder I was allowed to receive a copy of lecture notes. My teacher would print them out every week for me.


It didn't take me long to realize the tests were just fill in the blank from the notes in the exact same order. All I had to do was memorize the words... Not understand the concepts. Right sad really.

I could learn, I just needed more individual attention and time... Teachers didn't have time for that shit so they often "cheated." and not just for me.




I feel similarly. I always skipped class, slept in class, got high in school.  I always passed and I graduated early. Not that I'm proud of it. Most public school tests really don't test you. It does feel like word matching and most of the people that spend the time to get an A, unless they're a super nerd, forget about the content immediately after they take the test. Most of school is useless until you get to higher level courses.  When 30 kids share a classroom it takes forever to work through the material I guess. This is mainly speaking for lower level classes, like I said. School really is just prison for children so their parents can work.


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Re: The "Unschooling Movement" -- Keep your kids out of school and let them learn whatever they want [Re: nooneman]
    #23905526 - 12/07/16 11:39 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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nooneman said:
We need a total overhaul of our school system. Grades K-4 are fine, but everything past that is just a complete trainwreck disaster. Like, in first grade you learn shit like numbers and counting and clocks and reading, all of that is really good critical stuff that a kid needs to learn. But what the fuck do you learn in high school? Mainly how to bang the opposite sex with an optional course in drugs, nicotine, and alcohol. Our school system past about 4th grade is just completely fucked.




That's true.  I think the point in this is that public school is so shitty that what are they missing out on anyways?  A lot of people who spent decades in K-12 and college don't even have jobs past entry-level, so what exactly don't they have?  For some people there couldn't possibly have been a bigger waste of time than school.

But yeah, I like to view elementary school as a sort of societal orientation.  They teach you where you live, where your country is on the map, a brief history, how to tell time, write, etc.  But past that there's not really much educational value.


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Re: The "Unschooling Movement" -- Keep your kids out of school and let them learn whatever they want [Re: CookieCrumbs]
    #23905527 - 12/07/16 11:39 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

CookieCrumbs said:
I know this isn't the conversation but I think it's a really good idea to teach kids what they're interested in. If they like dinosaurs teach them about paleontology. If they like gorillas teach them about evolution and primate interactions. If they like drawing teach them about art. If they like music teach them how to compose. Or music theory or history or whatever they seem to gravitate toward. Encourage their interest and willingness to learn. Not just reward it, FEED IT make them hungry to learn more.


I think one of the biggest problems in standard education is there is no flexibility and very little individuality.




the purpose in the school system is to give a student the skills they need to
learn these things on their own, the schools cant tailor education to the needs of
each individual. if a student has an interest in art, they have classes for that,
if they have an interest in music, they have classes for that, if after 6 years
old they still have an interest in dinosaurs or they specifically wish to learn
about gorillas, then they build the skills in the regular classes that allows them
to study in the areas they are interested in as well as gaining other skills in
fields they dont have an interest in but will likely be using at some point in
their life

I see shit on facebook all the time asking why schools dont teach you to file your
taxes, the fact of the matter is that they have, no, it wasnt a tax course but if
you paid attention in school you learned how to read, write and do arithmetic and
those 3 things are all that's needed for the average person to file their taxes.
do we need classes specifically for teaching students to cook, clean, wipe their
asses or change a tire? these are things that can be learned with the skills that
the educational system has already tried to teach them, if they havent figured out
how to open a book by now or at least search it on google, maybe they need to be
failures in life so that others have room to succeed


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Re: The "Unschooling Movement" -- Keep your kids out of school and let them learn whatever they want [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23905977 - 12/08/16 07:41 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Let's see how how these free range chickens do before we judge this

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Re: The "Unschooling Movement" -- Keep your kids out of school and let them learn whatever they want [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23906045 - 12/08/16 08:20 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

Prisoner#1 said:
Quote:

CookieCrumbs said:
I know this isn't the conversation but I think it's a really good idea to teach kids what they're interested in. If they like dinosaurs teach them about paleontology. If they like gorillas teach them about evolution and primate interactions. If they like drawing teach them about art. If they like music teach them how to compose. Or music theory or history or whatever they seem to gravitate toward. Encourage their interest and willingness to learn. Not just reward it, FEED IT make them hungry to learn more.


I think one of the biggest problems in standard education is there is no flexibility and very little individuality.




the purpose in the school system is to give a student the skills they need to
learn these things on their own, the schools cant tailor education to the needs of
each individual. if a student has an interest in art, they have classes for that,
if they have an interest in music, they have classes for that, if after 6 years
old they still have an interest in dinosaurs or they specifically wish to learn
about gorillas, then they build the skills in the regular classes that allows them
to study in the areas they are interested in as well as gaining other skills in
fields they dont have an interest in but will likely be using at some point in
their life

I see shit on facebook all the time asking why schools dont teach you to file your
taxes, the fact of the matter is that they have, no, it wasnt a tax course but if
you paid attention in school you learned how to read, write and do arithmetic and
those 3 things are all that's needed for the average person to file their taxes.
do we need classes specifically for teaching students to cook, clean, wipe their
asses or change a tire? these are things that can be learned with the skills that
the educational system has already tried to teach them, if they havent figured out
how to open a book by now or at least search it on google, maybe they need to be
failures in life so that others have room to succeed



You are way off, and more of a grumpy old fucker than me pris.
These kids are being taught nothing after grade six.  It's fine to be pissed off and think people will just "figure this out" on their own, however; we are raising generations of idiots who can recite what they see in books and have absolutely no critical thinking or life skills.
If I am paying these assholes with my tax dollars to teach my kids I expect results.
Kids coming out of school today are 80% absolute fucking morons who think they should be paid to recite books.
Fail.
Dick


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Re: The "Unschooling Movement" -- Keep your kids out of school and let them learn whatever they want [Re: A.RichardTrickle]
    #23906050 - 12/08/16 08:22 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Yep. We will never evolve at our intended pace if all we do is initiate our kids into this society. Maybe we need kids to grow up within it without being indoctrinated to help see the best courses of action to take.


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Re: The "Unschooling Movement" -- Keep your kids out of school and let them learn whatever they want [Re: A.RichardTrickle]
    #23906063 - 12/08/16 08:27 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

A.RichardTrickle said:
Quote:

Prisoner#1 said:
Quote:

CookieCrumbs said:
I know this isn't the conversation but I think it's a really good idea to teach kids what they're interested in. If they like dinosaurs teach them about paleontology. If they like gorillas teach them about evolution and primate interactions. If they like drawing teach them about art. If they like music teach them how to compose. Or music theory or history or whatever they seem to gravitate toward. Encourage their interest and willingness to learn. Not just reward it, FEED IT make them hungry to learn more.


I think one of the biggest problems in standard education is there is no flexibility and very little individuality.




the purpose in the school system is to give a student the skills they need to
learn these things on their own, the schools cant tailor education to the needs of
each individual. if a student has an interest in art, they have classes for that,
if they have an interest in music, they have classes for that, if after 6 years
old they still have an interest in dinosaurs or they specifically wish to learn
about gorillas, then they build the skills in the regular classes that allows them
to study in the areas they are interested in as well as gaining other skills in
fields they dont have an interest in but will likely be using at some point in
their life

I see shit on facebook all the time asking why schools dont teach you to file your
taxes, the fact of the matter is that they have, no, it wasnt a tax course but if
you paid attention in school you learned how to read, write and do arithmetic and
those 3 things are all that's needed for the average person to file their taxes.
do we need classes specifically for teaching students to cook, clean, wipe their
asses or change a tire? these are things that can be learned with the skills that
the educational system has already tried to teach them, if they havent figured out
how to open a book by now or at least search it on google, maybe they need to be
failures in life so that others have room to succeed



You are way off, and more of a grumpy old fucker than me pris.
These kids are being taught nothing after grade six.  It's fine to be pissed off and think people will just "figure this out" on their own, however; we are raising generations of idiots who can recite what they see in books and have absolutely no critical thinking or life skills.
If I am paying these assholes with my tax dollars to teach my kids I expect results.
Kids coming out of school today are 80% absolute fucking morons who think they should be paid to recite books.
Fail.
Dick




Pris is definition of conventional wisdom. I've been fortunate enough to live my life against as forms of conventional wisdom as possible with great success. In a perfect world, he's usually right. But alas, we are far from a perfect world.


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Re: The "Unschooling Movement" -- Keep your kids out of school and let them learn whatever they want [Re: Crystal G]
    #23906065 - 12/08/16 08:28 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

8-6 cups of flour?


Fail. Put your kids in school.


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Re: The "Unschooling Movement" -- Keep your kids out of school and let them learn whatever they want [Re: Crystal G]
    #23906131 - 12/08/16 09:11 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

i think not teaching kids is retarded, we really need to be giving psychoactive substances to them that will help to introduce them to horrors/pleasures of reality.


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Re: The "Unschooling Movement" -- Keep your kids out of school and let them learn whatever they want [Re: A.RichardTrickle]
    #23906134 - 12/08/16 09:13 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

A.RichardTrickle said:
You are way off, and more of a grumpy old fucker than me pris.
These kids are being taught nothing after grade six.





I can say without a doubt that you're wrong on both counts, nothing about my post
was grumpy and having kids that are in middle school and remebering my time in
school pretty fucking well, I can say with absolute certainty that kids are being
taught things even after grade six

Quote:

It's fine to be pissed off and think people will just "figure this out" on their own, however; we are raising generations of idiots who can recite what they see in books and have absolutely no critical thinking or life skills.




ok, if you want to be pissed off be pissed off but understand that the education
isnt the problem, normally the problem is shitty students, sometimes it's shitty
teachers and others it's shitty school systems but as I stated, it's normally bad
students, kids that dont want to learn, that want to believe that they'll never
use what they're being taught in some class or another. sure, world history is
boring to you but and it's shit that happened a long time ago and while there's a
high probability that you may never need to know about the Louisiana purchase you
may need to know about nazi germany in order to make trump/hitler comparisons

Rep86 seems to believe he has it all figured out on his own, but the reality of
things is, if these kids are as stupid as you say, doesnt that fall on them for
being a bunch of little dickheads that didnt want to learn anything, that believed
that they'll never need to use math outside of school?

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/23902813#23902813

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If I am paying these assholes with my tax dollars to teach my kids I expect results.
Kids coming out of school today are 80% absolute fucking morons who think they should be paid to recite books. Fail.





maybe you need to share that load with the ones you want to blame, it's clear that
you're just too angry to deal with your own stupidity so you blame the teachers
and the system for your failings but you'll never get far by blaming others when
the shit falls on your shoulders. if your kids are dumb it's because you didnt
encourage them to strive to be more than you are, the 80% idiocy rate isnt because
the teachers arent there teaching them, it's because those little retards didnt
want to know, they took the same attitude that you have and believed they wouldnt
learn anything after the 6th grade


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Re: The "Unschooling Movement" -- Keep your kids out of school and let them learn whatever they want [Re: daytripper05]
    #23906144 - 12/08/16 09:18 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

daytripper05 said:
Pris is definition of conventional wisdom. I've been fortunate enough to live my life against as forms of conventional wisdom as possible with great success. In a perfect world, he's usually right. But alas, we are far from a perfect world.





"Pris is definition of"

"live my life against as forms of"

it seems you could use a bit of conventional wisdom, maybe you could clarify how you
believe I was wrong instead of making asinine statements that show a lack of basic
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Re: The "Unschooling Movement" -- Keep your kids out of school and let them learn whatever they want [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23906146 - 12/08/16 09:19 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

Prisoner#1 said:
Quote:

CookieCrumbs said:
I know this isn't the conversation but I think it's a really good idea to teach kids what they're interested in. If they like dinosaurs teach them about paleontology. If they like gorillas teach them about evolution and primate interactions. If they like drawing teach them about art. If they like music teach them how to compose. Or music theory or history or whatever they seem to gravitate toward. Encourage their interest and willingness to learn. Not just reward it, FEED IT make them hungry to learn more.


I think one of the biggest problems in standard education is there is no flexibility and very little individuality.




the purpose in the school system is to give a student the skills they need to
learn these things on their own, the schools cant tailor education to the needs of
each individual. if a student has an interest in art, they have classes for that,
if they have an interest in music, they have classes for that, if after 6 years
old they still have an interest in dinosaurs or they specifically wish to learn
about gorillas, then they build the skills in the regular classes that allows them
to study in the areas they are interested in as well as gaining other skills in
fields they dont have an interest in but will likely be using at some point in
their life

I see shit on facebook all the time asking why schools dont teach you to file your
taxes, the fact of the matter is that they have, no, it wasnt a tax course but if
you paid attention in school you learned how to read, write and do arithmetic and
those 3 things are all that's needed for the average person to file their taxes.
do we need classes specifically for teaching students to cook, clean, wipe their
asses or change a tire? these are things that can be learned with the skills that
the educational system has already tried to teach them, if they havent figured out
how to open a book by now or at least search it on google, maybe they need to be
failures in life so that others have room to succeed




School also teaches discipline. How to do a 8 hour shift.

As for learning what they want. That's what books are for. There something out there for everybody. If a kid is interested in hockey stats and want to read that then let him and make it his assignment. If he wants to read about serial killers, let him and keep an eye on him in high school.

Forcing a boring ass story on a kid garantees he'll hate reading and you can't have that. He will not have the autodidact skills needed for the future.

But to let the kids roam free and do whatever the fuck they want? That medieval shit.


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